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[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What if I don't want to play as the inquisitor or don't care about the mage/templar war? Am I automatically excluded?

Good thing you were ok with playing the Warden. 

Well, the Warden was less arbitrarily and idiotically excluded from belonging to certain races. So, you know.

I'm still not sure why Hawke was exclusively human; aside from the Amell mansion, an elven or dwarven protagonist could have left Ferelden, joined the smugglers or mercenaries, gotten rich, become useful to the Viscount via the Arishok's demand for him, and can defeat the Arishok to become the Champion of Kirkwall.

[Xilizhra]

Given that you're not getting DA3 on the basis of racial choices, it seems odd that a more major character piece being predetermined(which you are now criticizing) did not prevent your purchase of the first game. Am I to understand that are simply choosing not to purchase DA3 because of a singular predeterminated character trait, despite major character traits being predetermined having not prevented your enjoyment before?

I'm a different person, but while this wouldn't necessarily stop me from buying DA3, it's a strike against it that I didn't really expect. So it could well be cumulative. It was a poor decision regardless.

I'm still not sure why Hawke was exclusively human; aside from the Amell
mansion, an elven or dwarven protagonist could have left Ferelden,
joined the smugglers or mercenaries, gotten rich, become useful to the
Viscount via the Arishok's demand for him, and can defeat the Arishok to
become the Champion of Kirkwall.

Probably because they wanted a set family with set personalities.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:58 .

[Mclouvins]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Stormcloaks.

Not getting the reference as I don't play TES games.

anti-elven sentiment is rampant in they're ranks yet a High elf was able to join they're ranks as was an  eleven pc.

That seems to be what BW is trying to avoid. You either have a perfectly egalitarian society which Thedas is not or you shoehorn racial selections in such a way that they are basically cosmetic like in the elder scrolls. It more or less worked in DA:O because the narrative was specifically designed to allow it for the wardens.

[Xilizhra]

That seems to be what BW is trying to avoid. You either have a perfectly egalitarian society which Thedas is not or you shoehorn racial selections in such a way that they are basically cosmetic like in the elder scrolls. It more or less worked in DA:O because the narrative was specifically designed to allow it for the wardens.

And this should have included a similar allowance.

[Josielyn]

So give me a great story with a variety of choices, emotional highs and lows and I will forgive you making me look like a human again!

[DadeLeviathan]

Disappointed, but not surprised in the least. Going with a voiced protagonist, having the ability to choose your race would be incredibly hard to pull off well without an obscenely massive voice-over budget.

I also hope that backgrounds will be better than 3 cookie-cutter ones like in Mass Effect.

[FINE HERE]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What if I don't want to play as the inquisitor or don't care about the mage/templar war? Am I automatically excluded?

Good thing you were ok with playing the Warden. 

Well, the Warden was less arbitrarily and idiotically excluded from belonging to certain races. So, you know.

I'm still not sure why Hawke was exclusively human; aside from the Amell mansion, an elven or dwarven protagonist could have left Ferelden, joined the smugglers or mercenaries, gotten rich, become useful to the Viscount via the Arishok's demand for him, and can defeat the Arishok to become the Champion of Kirkwall.

Or an elf or dwarf ADOPTED by the Hawke family. Why not that? That would have worked.

[Vandicus]

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that you're not getting DA3 on the basis of racial choices, it seems odd that a more major character piece being predetermined(which you are now criticizing) did not prevent your purchase of the first game. Am I to understand that are simply choosing not to purchase DA3 because of a singular predeterminated character trait, despite major character traits being predetermined having not prevented your enjoyment before?

I'm a different person, but while this wouldn't necessarily stop me from buying DA3, it's a strike against it that I didn't really expect. So it could well be cumulative. It was a poor decision regardless.

I'm still not sure why Hawke was exclusively human; aside from the Amell
mansion, an elven or dwarven protagonist could have left Ferelden,
joined the smugglers or mercenaries, gotten rich, become useful to the
Viscount via the Arishok's demand for him, and can defeat the Arishok to
become the Champion of Kirkwall.

Probably because they wanted a set family with set personalities.

Just trying to figure out his reasoning. He didn't like playing as Hawke or the Warden, he apparently does not like predetermined elements(which is most of the game, as its not a sandbox), what exactly does he like about it that kept him here. Given that such integral elements of this game series are not to his liking, its likely that there are other game series out there more suited to him.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What if I don't want to play as the inquisitor or don't care about the mage/templar war? Am I automatically excluded?

Good thing you were ok with playing the Warden. 

Who says I was?

Why are you here then? This game series doesn't exactly exemplify sandbox concepts.

I don't have to like playing as the Warden, Hawke, or the Inquisitor (lolz) to enjoy the games or discuss them on forums.

Given that you're not getting DA3 on the basis of racial choices, it seems odd that a more major character piece being predetermined(which you are now criticizing) did not prevent your purchase of the first game. Am I to understand that  are simply choosing not to purchase DA3 because of a singular predeterminated character trait, despite major character traits being predetermined having not prevented your enjoyment before?

Simply understand that I enjoyed playing as a dwarf. The grey wardens are not a race. Playing as the inquisitor seems to be (according to Bioware) the reason why racial choices weren't reintroduced. As a grey warden, I could be an elf or dwarf or a human.

I don't see what is so difficult to unerstand about this.

[LobselVith8]

Mclouvins wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

anti-elven sentiment is rampant in they're ranks yet a High elf was able to join they're ranks as was an  eleven pc.

That seems to be what BW is trying to avoid. You either have a perfectly egalitarian society which Thedas is not or you shoehorn racial selections in such a way that they are basically cosmetic like in the elder scrolls. It more or less worked in DA:O because the narrative was specifically designed to allow it for the wardens.

Your race is mentioned in Skyrim (as one character apologized to my Dunmer for making an anti-Dunmer comment), including by Galmar when you join the Stormcloaks. Even Paarthurnax makes note of the Dragonborn's race.

[Shadow Fox]

Josielyn wrote...

HEH HEH, playing devil's advocate, maybe it won't be so awful being a human again if there is a "Mirror of transformation" that lets you add pointy ears and adjust your height to very short or very tall. Oh people want different, but not TOO different. I loved being a dwarf in DAO, not because of how I looked, but because of the STORY! I am confident that the writers will give us a great human story that will make us forget why we wanted to look like an elf or dwarf in the first place. Who plays as a different race for looks, and who plays as a different race for the story?

No that would ****** me off as elves and Dwarves are part of the fiction and were playable before why can't we just play as them?  and I play an elf or orc because I like elves and orcs it's that simple I'm a human in real life I can't just go to a city and see elves,dwarves and orcs among the populance thus I like to play as other races in my games when available and I'm not thrilled to have that option or any option I enjoy taken away from me.

And personally I hated the Origins I much prefer the protaganists to be blanke slates like TES,Dark Souls and Dragon's Dogma are when they are wholely defined by the player it makes them feel like more of my character  I would have been happier had the game just started at Ostagar with you being the new recrueit and went from there.

[Monica21]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Simply understand that I enjoyed playing as a dwarf. The grey wardens are not a race. Playing as the inquisitor seems to be (according to Bioware) the reason why racial choices weren't reintroduced. As a grey warden, I could be an elf or dwarf or a human.

I don't see what is so difficult to unerstand about this.

Is it confirmed that the protaganist is the Inquisitor, because I missed something.

[Shadow Fox]

Mclouvins wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Stormcloaks.

Not getting the reference as I don't play TES games.

anti-elven sentiment is rampant in they're ranks yet a High elf was able to join they're ranks as was an  eleven pc.

That seems to be what BW is trying to avoid. You either have a perfectly egalitarian society which Thedas is not or you shoehorn racial selections in such a way that they are basically cosmetic like in the elder scrolls. It more or less worked in DA:O because the narrative was specifically designed to allow it for the wardens.

Except you know it makes no sense for a newly formed organization trying to keep the world from tearing itself apart would turn down potential recruiets/help based on race. 

[Mclouvins]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

anti-elven sentiment is rampant in they're ranks yet a High elf was able to join they're ranks as was an  eleven pc.

That seems to be what BW is trying to avoid. You either have a perfectly egalitarian society which Thedas is not or you shoehorn racial selections in such a way that they are basically cosmetic like in the elder scrolls. It more or less worked in DA:O because the narrative was specifically designed to allow it for the wardens.

Your race is mentioned in Skyrim (as one character apologized to my Dunmer for making an anti-Dunmer comment), including by Galmar when you join the Stormcloaks. Even Paarthurnax makes note of the Dragonborn's race.

Which was why I said is was more or less cosmetic. There are some dialgoue tweaks that are made but they are not really consistent with what the people around you are saying. WOW had some ambeint dialogue/ quest text that changed based on player race but it changed nothing in the game.

[Chromie]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

Compared to Witcher 2, I expect it will be Shakespeare.

Then I dont really think you read much Shakespeare...

I don't read much Shakespeare, I watch it performed. They're plays.

Reguardless, it's an insult to compare Twilight I mean DA to Shakespeare.

[Vandicus]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What if I don't want to play as the inquisitor or don't care about the mage/templar war? Am I automatically excluded?

Good thing you were ok with playing the Warden. 

Who says I was?

Why are you here then? This game series doesn't exactly exemplify sandbox concepts.

I don't have to like playing as the Warden, Hawke, or the Inquisitor (lolz) to enjoy the games or discuss them on forums.

Given that you're not getting DA3 on the basis of racial choices, it seems odd that a more major character piece being predetermined(which you are now criticizing) did not prevent your purchase of the first game. Am I to understand that  are simply choosing not to purchase DA3 because of a singular predeterminated character trait, despite major character traits being predetermined having not prevented your enjoyment before?

Simply understand that I enjoyed playing as a dwarf. The grey wardens are not a race. Playing as the inquisitor seems to be (according to Bioware) the reason why racial choices weren't reintroduced. As a grey warden, I could be an elf or dwarf or a human.

I don't see what is so difficult to unerstand about this.

Then why bring up the issue of predetermined role if you don't have a problem with that particular aspect? You offered up the general question "What if I don't care about the mage/templar war"/"What if I don't want to be an Inquisitor". Similarly we are forced to care about the Blight and play the Warden. If you didn't actually have a problem with that, its incosistent to use it as an element to critique. That seems to express a desire to choose a character's level of participation in the overarching plot and their role, which is not a fundamental aspect of this game series. Might as well complain about the existence of plot on the basis that sometimes plots don't allow you to play a dwarf.

[Sister Goldring]

Well, I'm ok with it.  Don't get me wrong I would have liked PC races but I assume Bioware knows what fits best for their story (and budget) here and if they're saying it's not going to fly this time then I can live with that.  I'm really excited to hear that background are back in some form and I'm happy that they want these backgrounds to have some impact on the narrative, I thought that DAO would have benefited from more reactivity to the PC's background.
All in all I'm looking forward to the game.

Modifié par Sister Goldring, 21 octobre 2012 - 03:18 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

PREORDER PREORDERED!

I despise the idea of anything that forces me to spend more time planning to play. However! The idea of customizing my companions is pretty damn exciting. It reminds me of the the old SSI gold box games and that's a Boner Alert. It's all speculation, of course, right now. Hopefully they concentrate on the meaningful companion changes and don't worry about loot garbage.

The castle idea is great. There's endless potential there. I'm looking forward to how they implement that, hopefully it's an expanded take on how Awakenings did things. I'm hoping the castle, its grounds and surrounding will be Serenity of the game... I hope it is a character in its own right, as well as a setting for adventure and hijinks.

[Arthur Cousland]

Faerunner wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

A good story is a good story, regardless of race.

If all we wanted was a good story, we could read a book, watch a movie, listen to the radio, see a play, etc. People don't always play games just for the story, they may also play for the experience. There are many features video games offer that other forms of entertainment (books, movies, plays etc.) cannot. Heck, there are many game mechanics and interactive experiences that some games offer that other games don't, which is why there are different genres and fanbases.

It's true that Dragon Age games tend to have strong stories, and the said strong stories tend to be popular, but those aren't the only factors involved with why different people like the different Dragon Age games. Since these are video games - interactive media as opposed to passive viewing media - many people like different interactive features.

What those features are varies from person to person, but one of the interactive experiences that many people liked about DA:O was the option to experience what it's like to role-play other races in this fantasy world, which is no longer available. 

You don't know if every player enjoys Dragon Age JUST for the story, so please be so good as to not assume that people who're disappointed that a game feature they love is absent from the next game have nothing to be upset about just because there's also a nice story involved. 

Nice post.

I also play videogames for more than just the story.  I like to play a fun, immersive game that lets me be the hero of the story in a fantasy world.  Gameplay and immersion shouldn't be an afterthought to the story.  If all someone wants is a good story, then read a book. A videoGAME shouldn't be thought of as merely an interactive story.

[Shadow Fox]

Mclouvins wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

anti-elven sentiment is rampant in they're ranks yet a High elf was able to join they're ranks as was an  eleven pc.

That seems to be what BW is trying to avoid. You either have a perfectly egalitarian society which Thedas is not or you shoehorn racial selections in such a way that they are basically cosmetic like in the elder scrolls. It more or less worked in DA:O because the narrative was specifically designed to allow it for the wardens.

Your race is mentioned in Skyrim (as one character apologized to my Dunmer for making an anti-Dunmer comment), including by Galmar when you join the Stormcloaks. Even Paarthurnax makes note of the Dragonborn's race.

Which was why I said is was more or less cosmetic. There are some dialgoue tweaks that are made but they are not really consistent with what the people around you are saying. WOW had some ambeint dialogue/ quest text that changed based on player race but it changed nothing in the game.

You mean like how being a mage was mostly cosmetic in DA2?

[Monica21]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

A good story is a good story, regardless of race.

If all we wanted was a good story, we could read a book, watch a movie, listen to the radio, see a play, etc. People don't always play games just for the story, they may also play for the experience. There are many features video games offer that other forms of entertainment (books, movies, plays etc.) cannot. Heck, there are many game mechanics and interactive experiences that some games offer that other games don't, which is why there are different genres and fanbases.

It's true that Dragon Age games tend to have strong stories, and the said strong stories tend to be popular, but those aren't the only factors involved with why different people like the different Dragon Age games. Since these are video games - interactive media as opposed to passive viewing media - many people like different interactive features.

What those features are varies from person to person, but one of the interactive experiences that many people liked about DA:O was the option to experience what it's like to role-play other races in this fantasy world, which is no longer available. 

You don't know if every player enjoys Dragon Age JUST for the story, so please be so good as to not assume that people who're disappointed that a game feature they love is absent from the next game have nothing to be upset about just because there's also a nice story involved. 

Nice post.

I also play videogames for more than just the story.  I like to play a fun, immersive game that lets me be the hero of the story in a fantasy world.  Gameplay and immersion shouldn't be an afterthought to the story.  If all someone wants is a good story, then read a book. A videoGAME shouldn't be thought of as merely an interactive story.

Except that's exactly what it is, told through a different medium.

[Caiden012]

Why do you like taking away what makes Dragon Age....well....Dragon Age Bioware. I enjoyed origins because I got to build my own character from basically the ground up. From race to his origins to his personality and interests he was completely MY character. That was taken from us in Dragon Age 2. We got a voiced protagonist who apparently could only have like 4 types of personality and was pretty linear. You gave us a Mass Effect like character. I am fine with that but only in Mass Effect. If I want that type of story and character I will go play Mass Effect.

But this is Dragon Age. I want to build my character like I did in origins. You have already outlined my race and story and showed that the experience will be somewhat linear again. I would gladly give up a voiced protagonist to create the character I want to. But you gave some great features in Origins and now you have taken them away. Players want choices and so far you have only shown limitations. This is fantasy. I am already a human in reality.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What if I don't want to play as the inquisitor or don't care about the mage/templar war? Am I automatically excluded?

Good thing you were ok with playing the Warden. 

Who says I was?

Why are you here then? This game series doesn't exactly exemplify sandbox concepts.

I don't have to like playing as the Warden, Hawke, or the Inquisitor (lolz) to enjoy the games or discuss them on forums.

Given that you're not getting DA3 on the basis of racial choices, it seems odd that a more major character piece being predetermined(which you are now criticizing) did not prevent your purchase of the first game. Am I to understand that  are simply choosing not to purchase DA3 because of a singular predeterminated character trait, despite major character traits being predetermined having not prevented your enjoyment before?

Simply understand that I enjoyed playing as a dwarf. The grey wardens are not a race. Playing as the inquisitor seems to be (according to Bioware) the reason why racial choices weren't reintroduced. As a grey warden, I could be an elf or dwarf or a human.

I don't see what is so difficult to unerstand about this.

Then why bring up the issue of predetermined role if you don't have a problem with that particular aspect? You offered up the general question "What if I don't care about the mage/templar war"/"What if I don't want to be an Inquisitor". Similarly we are forced to care about the Blight and play the Warden. If you didn't actually have a problem with that, its incosistent to use it as an element to critique. That seems to express a desire to choose a character's level of participation in the overarching plot and their role, which is not a fundamental aspect of this game series. Might as well complain about the existence of plot on the basis that sometimes plots don't allow you to play a dwarf.

*sigh*

I brought it up because playing as the Inquisitor automatically means I can't choose my race. Playing as Hawke meant the same thing. Playing as a Grey Warden gave me the freedom to choose my race and the background for my race... unless you play as a human, in which case you only have one background to choose from. The irony. 

Anyway, I can't explain it anymore clearly than that.

[GardenSnake]

iakus wrote...

 I see nothing wrong with playing a human again.  As long as we can make that human our own.

I don't think you get it. Forcing us to play as a human already makes it so that the character isn't ours. One race means voiced protagonist and in my book, that's the biggest way to kill personalizing a character. I can guess that these 'backstories' will be ala Mass Effect, so that's not much of a consolation. 

GOD. DAMNIT. 

I promised myself I wouldn't get mad about DA3, I know it'll be more like 2 than Origins, but I can't help it.