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[Persephone]

Faerunner wrote...

Oh goody, we get to play another human in another game that includes fantasy races but we can't actually play as those fantasy races. You can look at them and you can sleep with them, but you can't actually play them. They serve as pretty little decorations to give it the fantasy look, but not the fantasy feel.

It's also really nice that BioWare will go to all the trouble to make dozens of different types of armor that each change shape for every character that wears them, but race selection? Too much time and effort for something so frivolous. Because really, let's be honest, nothing says profound character customization quite like hair and outfits. Racial backgrounds and how they affect your character culturally, socially, emotionally and psychologically? How they change who you are, how others see you, how you see others and how the world sees your socio/economic/cultural background through your decisions through your adventures? Being able to experience different racial and cultural backgrounds that you couldn't experience as the "default" (since every Companion and NPC will ultimately see you as a human and treat you as a human and vice-versa)? Purely superficial and unneeded. Let's go back to making more outfits and landscapes.

I'm going back to Kickstarter.

Good luck with that.

[Hrungr]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Hrungr wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Now the next thing we will be waiting to hear is if our PC will have and be restricted to just a Orlesain accent.

I'd be totally okay with that.

Same, french accent is pretty.

Voice acting is definitely one of Bioware's strong suits, I don't have any concerns there. Even the weaker VAs are still... pretty good. And the good ones are... really good.

I agree with VA being one of BWs strong points.

But.. Orlesians.. I like the French accent, but only one in DA has not caused my brain cells to slowly die off. But turn again.. All those Orlesians were obnoxious so I guess the VA fitted the persona

Lol.. true. But remember there are some pretty good Orlesian VA like Stroud/Riordan.

Modifié par Hrungr, 20 octobre 2012 - 11:44 .

[brushyourteeth]

I can't deny that I'm at least 40% less excited about this game than I was before hearing this.

However, I also can't deny that I'm really interested in how the background stories will pan out, or that I can see in that decision the developers' acknowledgment of many players' hopes that there would be multiple races with backgrounds in the next game. They have listened, and effort has been made.

It's admirable.

Hopefully our cast of companions and NPC's will reflect the diversity that our protagonist won't be able to, and we'll see, among other things, the return of female dwarves, and a deeper focus on elven and dwarven cultures.

It's a human protagonist, but that doesn't mean that Bioware will necessarily be giving us a completely human-centric game.

So I'm excited to see everything else they have to show us, and I'm staying optimistic that the following is exactly what's happened.... and that the cut wasn't made without a delightful payoff. 

John Epler wrote...
*respectful snip*

we felt the benefits of multiple races were outweighed by the drawbacks and costs (not only financial and time-wise, but in terms of quality bar for other parts of the game).

[Terrorize69]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...
 All those Orlesians were obnoxious so I guess the VA fitted the persona

I cannot be friends with anyone who doesn't like Stroud.  

Burn him!

[Loki_344]

John Epler wrote...

What specific lesson were we supposed to have learned?

That people want multiple races for protagonist? That's something we're well aware of. 

The lesson of 'people want more choices in games!' is certainly a good lesson - on the flip side, of course, the lesson of 'resources are not unlimited and we can't please everyone without going completely over budget both in terms of money and time' is a valuable lesson to learn as well.

I'm not diminishing that, to some people, being able to play as a race other than human is a Big Deal. However, it wasn't an option that we felt fit our plans for DA3. Obviously, some people are going to be disappointed - that's unfortunate, but it's inevitable. If it means you aren't going to buy the game, that's certainly your prerogative and right as a consumer, and I encourage folks to vote with their wallet.

I can't really say it more clearly than that. It's unfortunate you're disappointed, but let's not label it as anything other than it is - a conscious decision where we felt the benefits of multiple races were outweighed by the drawbacks and costs (not only financial and time-wise, but in terms of quality bar for other parts of the game).

See people, you've got a dev going out of his way here to give you a well reasoned explanation for why they decided to take this diection. Can't at least some of you just accept it and move on instead of complaing about it incessantly for the next twelve months?

Modifié par Loki_344, 20 octobre 2012 - 11:49 .

[Arthur Cousland]

While I'd love nothing more than to play as a dwarf again (my favorite fantasy race), I'll be content with at least some kind of origin story as to get to know some of the character's past before we are thrown into the game.  I suppose there's always The Elder Scrolls if I want to play as a non human.

It was disappointing that although Hawke was from Ferelden, specifically Lothering, all we got was a mention here and there.  The player never got to know the sibling that dies in Lothering or get to know much about Malcom Hawke prior to Legacy.  To better have a connection with the main pc, it's nice to know as much about them as possible, without having to resort to reading the codex.  Even if there was no origin story in DA2, it would have been nice to at least have some kind of flashback with mage Hawke being trained by Malcom or something.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 20 octobre 2012 - 11:57 .

[Mr_Steph]

Can't say it bothers me. Never really played a role in Origins and certainly never cared about it either. It was just...there.

[unbentbuzzkill]

if we have to play as a human for storyline reasons i can get that, But imo that's not why we are playing a human in DA3 we are a playing as human because 85%-90% of people play as them anyway so the 15%-10% of people who don't just have to suck it up and take one for the team.

[Starfang]

I can't say I'm surprised. As cool as it would be to be able to play elves/dwarves again, I'm more than happy to be restricted to a human if there is really as much customisation as they're saying there is.

[Asch Lavigne]

At least (what I got from Elper's post anyways) they are saying no because of resources (better spent elsewhere I hope) and not just because.

I think it would be funny if one of the Origin choices was being a refugee from Kirkwall during the Qunari incident or the Act 3 fiasco.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:04 .

[redBadger14]

Hey OP, try not whining.

The new character customization sounds great. And honestly if you really want to play as a dwarf or an elf again, play DA:O.

[Vandicus]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

if we have to play as a human for storyline reasons i can get that, But imo that's not why we are playing a human in DA3 we are a playing as human because 85%-90% of people play as them anyway so the 15%-10% of people who don't just have to suck it up and take one for the team.

And your assertion is backed by what exactly?

Restriction couldn't possibly be due to inherent problems with a powerful and politically influential elf even existing outside of Tevinter? Noooo, the Orlesian nobility are completely willing to accept and support an elven Inquisitor. Race options in Thedas aren't simply a reskin, it changes how characters and NPCs should react to the player in game. In many cases this would require vastly different storylines in order to have proper verisimilitude. Vastly different storylines and NPC reactions, are very costly in resources and to the narrative.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

John Epler wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

Lessons learned: None.

Good going Bioware!

What specific lesson were we supposed to have learned?

That people want multiple races for protagonist? That's something we're well aware of. 

The lesson of 'people want more choices in games!' is certainly a good lesson - on the flip side, of course, the lesson of 'resources are not unlimited and we can't please everyone without going completely over budget both in terms of money and time' is a valuable lesson to learn as well.

I'm not diminishing that, to some people, being able to play as a race other than human is a Big Deal. However, it wasn't an option that we felt fit our plans for DA3. Obviously, some people are going to be disappointed - that's unfortunate, but it's inevitable. If it means you aren't going to buy the game, that's certainly your prerogative and right as a consumer, and I encourage folks to vote with their wallet.

I can't really say it more clearly than that. It's unfortunate you're disappointed, but let's not label it as anything other than it is - a conscious decision where we felt the benefits of multiple races were outweighed by the drawbacks and costs (not only financial and time-wise, but in terms of quality bar for other parts of the game).

You're well aware people want multiple races to choose from and are also well aware that a lot of people hated the decisions you guys made for DA2. A human-only protagonist was among them. You make the same choice again despite this knowledge. How can you expect consumers to remain confident in your product and your company when you continue to make design choices that are unpopular with the people that buy your games?

With this news, Origins automatically has something DA3 does not.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:18 .

[Genshie]

KENNY4753 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Disappointing, but I can't say I'm shocked.

Bioware's never gonna let me play as a Dwarf again. T_T

MP will. I bet in MP we will be able to choose races/classes like Dalish Hunter, Dalish First, Dwarf Warrior, Circle Mage, Templar, etc

I keep forgetting that. Ala ME3 multiplayer racial class choice kind of deal I am all fine with that.

[RogueWriter3201]

Wow, I step out for only an hour and, low and behold, the "We're Human?! Wahhh" thread is in full swing. (*Sigh*) Called it in the Twitter thread before I left. Look, folks are disappointed, and that's fine. I get that, for whatever reason, you *really* want to be a Dwarf or have pointed ears and frolic.

However, to start lambasting BioWare, the DA Team, and the game as a whole for choosing a Human Narrative (which, subsequently, compromised by allow different Origins for said Human) and proclaiming that it's on par with the errors made in the "Game that Can't Be Named" or that you not going to purchase DA3, boycott it, and so on is just...I mean, myopic, over-dramatic, and short-sighted doesn't even *begin* to describe it.

It's clear that the DA Team is doing *everything* they can to accommodate as much as they can of what the fans have claimed they want, bending as far as possible while not completely sacrificing the story they want to tell. Yet those accommodations and fixes from the previous game aren't enough? You'll really take to the Forums or others sites and flame and flame because of one thing?

I just...Ugh. Whatever. Looks like we're in for months of "Why Human?!" threads, despite the fact that the Team is not going to change anything. So, by all means, whine-away, be less then productive, and have nothing to do with what will likely be a brilliant game. Knock yourselves out.

[CuriousArtemis]

glenboy24 wrote...

Wow, I step out for only an hour and, low and behold, the "We're Human?! Wahhh" thread is in full swing. (*Sigh*) Called it in the Twitter thread before I left. Look, folks are disappointed, and that's fine. I get that, for whatever reason, you *really* want to be a Dwarf or have pointed ears and frolic.  

Hey, there are a lot of us who wanted to play as elves or dwarves but are being very polite and respectful about this. No need to make fun of everyone in one fell swoop. 

[Potato Cat]

My problem is that one of the many reasons Hawke was just Bioware's character and not mine, was because Hawke was human and had a fixed background. Same with Shepherd, though for slightly different reasons, even with the background "choice". I say choice because it barely affected the game in any meaningful way. Already, the Inquisitor is looking to me like Bioware's character and not my own.

Sad face.

[Genshie]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

Lessons learned: None.

Good going Bioware!

What specific lesson were we supposed to have learned?

That people want multiple races for protagonist? That's something we're well aware of. 

The lesson of 'people want more choices in games!' is certainly a good lesson - on the flip side, of course, the lesson of 'resources are not unlimited and we can't please everyone without going completely over budget both in terms of money and time' is a valuable lesson to learn as well.

I'm not diminishing that, to some people, being able to play as a race other than human is a Big Deal. However, it wasn't an option that we felt fit our plans for DA3. Obviously, some people are going to be disappointed - that's unfortunate, but it's inevitable. If it means you aren't going to buy the game, that's certainly your prerogative and right as a consumer, and I encourage folks to vote with their wallet.

I can't really say it more clearly than that. It's unfortunate you're disappointed, but let's not label it as anything other than it is - a conscious decision where we felt the benefits of multiple races were outweighed by the drawbacks and costs (not only financial and time-wise, but in terms of quality bar for other parts of the game).

You're well aware people want multiple races to choose from and are also well aware that a lot of people hated the decisions you guys made for DA2. A human-only protagonist was among them. You make the same choice again despite this knowledge. How can you expect consumers to remain confident in your product and your company when you continue to make design choices that are unpopular with the people that buy your games?

With this news, Origins automatically has something DA3 does not.

I will make this simple since alot of people seem to forget this constantly here as cold as it sounds: Its their product not yours. Just because fans don't like a certain feature doesn't  mean that they will be changing it or taking it out. Be glad though they already said that they are improving upon several customization options for the main protagonist that have been there or have been taken out from DA2. For all we know besides the race thing we may have even more options that DAO ever had.  

[Yalision]

Still on a tablet, so I apologize for autocorrect messing up my posts. Very little time and all that. In any case... I am happy about the different backgrounds at least, but I find Humans to be a very generic "out" for mainstreamified RPGs, and exactly why Project Eternity just blew up Kickstarter (which I proudly contributed to). Demand is there, people want this feature, will pay for it, will wait for it, and will lavish praise upon a studio that delivers it. EDIT: I also still want this game, but I am a sad panda still very VERY burned by Mass Effect 3s ending. I and Sam were responsible for launching the cupcake campaign. Very passionate about my RPGs.

Modifié par Yalision, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:15 .

[KotorEffect3]

Either way they are probably way too far in game development to change it anyway. I would have liked the option to play as other races but I am not going to cry about it. Playing only as a human didn't really bother me in DA 2. And while I have some criticisms of DA 2 the human only protaganist isn't one of them.

[Battlebloodmage]

Dhiro wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Now the next thing we will be waiting to hear is if our PC will have and be restricted to just a Orlesain accent.

I'd be totally okay with that.

Same, french accent is pretty.

I would prefer Cullen to be with a Ferelden guy. I just don't like to be Orlesian. Hopefully, there is an option for a Ferelden inquisitor, but based on the cost, it's probably one of the others, hopefully Ferelden. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:15 .

[Potato Cat]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Now the next thing we will be waiting to hear is if our PC will have and be restricted to just a Orlesain accent.

I'd be totally okay with that.

Same, french accent is pretty.

I would prefer Cullen to be with a Ferelden guy. I just don't like to be Orlesian. Hopefully, there is an option for a Ferelden inquisitor, but based on the cost, it's probably one of the others, hopefully Ferelden. 

I'm willing to bet that accents were a factor in the (wrong, (sorry)), decision to make us humans, so either we'll all be Ferelden/Free Marchers or Orlesian. Probably not Orlesian though, there seems to be a lot of francophobes on these forums...