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[Bfler]

Mages in games are the intellectual elite, like f.e. students in real life and in general you don't put such people as soldiers in heavy armor at the frontline.
A general rule is: the higher your mental abilities, the lower your physical streng and endurance.
(Of course there are also exceptions)

[upsettingshorts]

Bfler wrote...

Mages in games are the intellectual elite, like f.e. students in real life and in general you don't put such people as soldiers in heavy armor at the frontline.
A general rule is: the higher your mental abilities, the lower your physical streng and endurance.
(Of course there are also exceptions)

You'd think intense study would reveal the wisdom in wearing extensive protection.

It's probably just as Sushewakka said, a leftover trope from previous media.  Any other justification seems... flimsy.

[Fishy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Mages in games are the intellectual elite, like f.e. students in real life and in general you don't put such people as soldiers in heavy armor at the frontline.
A general rule is: the higher your mental abilities, the lower your physical streng and endurance.
(Of course there are also exceptions)

You'd think intense study would reveal the wisdom in wearing extensive protection.

It's probably just as Sushewakka said, a leftover trope from previous media.  Any other justification seems... flimsy.

They mostly don't wear armor because of concentration.. Wearing armor would not only cripple their movement but, their concentration for casting spell. While Cleric and the like don't use mana but faith. So their casting power is a gift and don't require concentration or remembering incantations.

Oh man I sound so geeky right here

Modifié par Suprez30, 21 octobre 2012 - 08:22 .

[upsettingshorts]

...why would wearing armor interfere with concentration in anything other than an RPG ruleset for balance purposes?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 octobre 2012 - 08:22 .

[Fishy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

...why would wearing armor interfere with concentration in anything other than an RPG ruleset for balance purposes?

Well .. It's kinda like how a heavy warrior can't stealth, Mage us the energy of their body to create powerful effect.. Wearing a full plate armor cause problem with that. Like it can't pierce it ? Think of it like using a bow with a full plate. You could .. But that would limit you. But mage don,t use their agility but the energy of their body. That how I see it anyway .. Priest use the gift of the gods so they actually aren't ''CASTING'' it.

Modifié par Suprez30, 21 octobre 2012 - 08:26 .

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

...why would wearing armor interfere with concentration in anything other than an RPG ruleset for balance purposes?

I suppose it gets hot and itchy under there.

[Direwolf0294]

As others have said, gameplay balance more than anything. I'm hoping there will be a few mage robes with heavy plate or chainmail graphics for people who want their mages to be more warrior like.

[philippe willaume]

nope Armour does not really prevent stealth, that is why you glue leather inside of your plate. (especially tasets which are really the one that goes klang-klang)
and not it does not limit you when shooting a bow (recurve or long)
it does make swimming harder, though 

in DA settings, as mentioned by Sylvius and TEWR if you have the stat you can wear Armour.

In DA:0 mage were by far the most powerful class, so the enemy at least needed to be some sort of glass canon.
and in DA:2, the detraction of your class attribute is too crippling to contemplate to the extend needed to be able to wear armour.
so it really more game mechanics than lore.

Phil

Modifié par philippe willaume, 21 octobre 2012 - 09:27 .

[Quinnzel]

Its so it's easier for them to 'air things out' and, ofc, 'easier access' for those late night rendezvous

More than likely however it's just the old Wuzard/Mage stereotype from many a fantasy settings (Arcane Spell failure rule and the like from Dungeons and Dragons to name just one)
Here's to hoping that the Fashion scene for Mages in DA3 have taken a good long look at Hawke's champion armour.

Modifié par Quinnzel, 21 octobre 2012 - 09:33 .

[The Elder King]

My mage "wore" an armour. A Rock Armour.

[KiwiQuiche]

Because for some weirdass reason most mages in Thedas seemed to think cotton-wool and other fabrics are a-okay against swords and spears, rather than actual armour.

[henkez3]

Suprez30 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

...why would wearing armor interfere with concentration in anything other than an RPG ruleset for balance purposes?

Well .. It's kinda like how a heavy warrior can't stealth, Mage us the energy of their body to create powerful effect.. Wearing a full plate armor cause problem with that. Like it can't pierce it ? Think of it like using a bow with a full plate. You could .. But that would limit you. But mage don,t use their agility but the energy of their body. That how I see it anyway .. Priest use the gift of the gods so they actually aren't ''CASTING'' it.

You're speaking of D&D here right? And there is no "Priest" class in Dragon Age per se. We do have both Arcane Warriors and Battlemages wearing armour in battle. As a side note, it seems that apostates like Malcolm Hawke, who probably led a more "wordly" life than circle mages DID incorporate bits of plate in his attire.

Dragon Age mages wearing pajamas to battle seems to be mostly a leftover from D&D, which annoys me to no end. Wiith DA2 BioWare seems to be moving away from this sterotype (thank god), I hope they continue this trend in DA3. Mages using spears or bladed staffs is also refreshing really.

[Terrorize69]

Well Heavy Armour in DA comes with threat generation, its part of how Tanks, well tank. A Healer in Heavys would draw attention in battle away from the tank more and more often.

That and a mage casting chain lightning in a pair of steel gauntlets is slightly suicidal.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Why? cuz like they dun hav a shield oar sword to blok stuf wif an dey nut expiriance wiv sumwan attackin dem so dey shuld were big armour juz in caz an stray aro mite hit dem

They don't  wear armor by default because they're support and not melee combatants. Mages spent years honing their magical skills and increasing their knowledge of magic rather than building up their physique.

That said,  you the player can level your mages up to wear armor if you want and there's always the Arcane Warrior class in DA:O.

[CaisLaochach]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Mages in games are the intellectual elite, like f.e. students in real life and in general you don't put such people as soldiers in heavy armor at the frontline.
A general rule is: the higher your mental abilities, the lower your physical streng and endurance.
(Of course there are also exceptions)

You'd think intense study would reveal the wisdom in wearing extensive protection.

It's probably just as Sushewakka said, a leftover trope from previous media.  Any other justification seems... flimsy.

Is it not a combination of game mechanic and story-telling device?

Heavy armour in game terms is a means of marking out your tanks, while in terms of the story, Templars deliberately act to prevent mages being capable of fighting them physically, as that could conceivably allow mages to have more 'survivability' in conflict with the Templars.

[The Elder King]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Well Heavy Armour in DA comes with threat generation, its part of how Tanks, well tank. A Healer in Heavys would draw attention in battle away from the tank more and more often.

That and a mage casting chain lightning in a pair of steel gauntlets is slightly suicidal.

I don't remember which material the Champion's armour was made of, but Hawke has a metal gauntlet in DA2, and in DAO an AW with a full armour and a sword and shield casts spells with his hands. The logical explanation probably doesn't work in the DA world.

[sunnydxmen]

Mages so teleport.

[sunnydxmen]

Time to break tradition an give mages pants already.

[sunnydxmen]

Give them spandex clothing if worried about movement, or enchanted clothing to protect them an they can still move in it freely ,either way time for some pants can we get a goodies too.

[Sanunes]

As others have said, the way I look at it is that its partly a balance issue and partly because its part of the lore around an arcane spellcaster. I did like the idea behind the Arcane Warrior of Dragon Age: Origins, but I can see how its game breaking too.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Your mage might not wear armor but mine rocks it out.

[Sarquindi]

For game play, probably because they do not match the required strength to equip armour. Mages as a whole in fantasy usually don't wear armour because of the difficult hand gestures required to cast some of their spells; as said by Raistlin in the Dragonlance series. Heavy armour would make it too difficult for them to move about and "weave" their magic. It may also come from where mages, wizards, and sorcerers are based off of. The ancient Celtic druids acted as priests and advisers to each of their tribes. They also considered them great sorcerers and magicians. Roman writings depict them wearing white robes and usually carrying a staff, which was a tool used to direct their energy.

[Palipride47]

Uinen03 wrote...

For game play, probably because they do not match the required strength to equip armour. Mages as a whole in fantasy usually don't wear armour because of the difficult hand gestures required to cast some of their spells; as said by Raistlin in the Dragonlance series. Heavy armour would make it too difficult for them to move about and "weave" their magic. It may also come from where mages, wizards, and sorcerers are based off of. The ancient Celtic druids acted as priests and advisers to each of their tribes. They also considered them great sorcerers and magicians. Roman writings depict them wearing white robes and usually carrying a staff, which was a tool used to direct their energy.

So leather ruins their movement too? I think it has to do with

1.Gameplay mechanics
2.Leftover Fantasy tropes

They are moving away from it. Look at mage Hawke's Champion armor. Or Merrill's post romance shiny thing (that can take a couple of arrows). If you are sitting in a tower for decades though, there's no need for pants. 

And most importantly, the quick trysts in the corner 

[Sylvius the Mad]

This is stupid. Mages in Thedas CAN and DO wear armour.

[garrusfan1]

Uh not all of them wore robes look at the champion armor and others have it too (can't think of any since haven't played it in a while