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[Rawgrim]

Mages could wear armour in DA:O.

[esper]

Roleplay tradition...

In universe former circle mages do have the excuse of properly being forbidden/prevented by templars to train up the body/muslce mass needed to effectively wear a armour.

whole life Apostates/hegde mages should story wise have nothing preventing them from learning how to effectively wear an armour.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Rawgrim wrote...

Mages could wear armour in DA:O.

And DA2.  Armour wasn't class-limited in either game.

[Palipride47]

esper wrote...

Roleplay tradition...

In universe former circle mages do have the excuse of properly being forbidden/prevented by templars to train up the body/muslce mass needed to effectively wear a armour.

whole life Apostates/hegde mages should story wise have nothing preventing them from learning how to effectively wear an armour.

I know, I mean, come on Morrigan, I'm freezing just looking at you! She had more layers on boobs when in her small clothes....

And I can imagine you don't want fully armored mages vs. fully armored templars, from a lore standpoint. 

[Inprea]

Depends on the time and dedication it takes to build up the muscle and skill to move effectively in heavy armor in the dragon age universe. In the same time that a mage was learning to use armor could another mage learn to summon stone armor and shoot lighting thanks to the primal tree?

Really I believe the best answer for why mages don't wear armor is with the right passive abilities they don't need it.

[LanceSolous13]

And this is why I built a Battle Mage...

That, and I hated the robes from Origins. They....They all were recolours. It bugged me to no end. Just grab some Blood Dragon or Warden-Commander and I'm good to go.

I do find it horribly ironic that my Warden-Commander Armor cannot transfer into the game/intallment that I actually have the label of Warden-Commander.

[Infiltrait0r_N7]

Why do you refuse to use proper spelling and grammar?

[Peranor]

Xewaka wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...
It's just an old fantasy rule. Mage are scholars and armor would just cripple them.

More specifically, it is a leftover from original D&D, whereas an arcane capable caster wearing armour would be incapable of casting spells. This has permeated so profoundly across all media that at this point mages don't  wear armour because they don't.
(The source is probably earlier than D&D, but that's where it was codified for tabletop games).

Most likely a leftover from D&D yes.

I can't remember if I read this in D&D or some other Fantasy RPG, but i think the explanation there was that a mage wearing steel/iron armor and even weapon in some cases wasn't able to cast/channel spells due to magnetic fields interfering with the arcane. Or something like that
The real reason was of course balance issues, but they had to come up with some kind of explanation in the lore as well.

But then again, this is Dragon Age, and not D&D, and mages in Dragon Age can wear armor. But i still think that the mage robe is a leftover from the D&D ruleset.

[likeorasgod]

sunnydxmen wrote...

Time to break tradition an give mages pants already.

I have allways hated that Mage and Rogues basicly had two armor designs for DA:O, while there was several diffrent armor styles for Warriors.  Even there color diffrence was better for like armor.  I would realy like to see more diffrent types of looks in armor.  I did like how DA2 did make the mage armor a little diffrent than just one set of robes.

As for why no armor.  In traditional mage concept you needed to be able to get to your spell coponets and do certain body and hand movements that wasn't allways easy to do with added armor.  That is why most armored mages wore little to nothing as for armor.  Me personnel I hated the robes all the time.  It was like "LOOK AT ME, I'M THE MAGE KILL ME FIRST."  Not that throwing that fireball first thing in a combat didn't allready do that.  When I use to play D&D on TT I would alot of times have my Mages almost look more like rogues or just commoners with alot of poaches and a hooded cloak.   Some times even carring a short sword instead of the age old staff. (yah alot where dueal class).

[Palipride47]

likeorasgod wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

Time to break tradition an give mages pants already.

I have allways hated that Mage and Rogues basicly had two armor designs for DA:O, while there was several diffrent armor styles for Warriors.  Even there color diffrence was better for like armor.  I would realy like to see more diffrent types of looks in armor.  I did like how DA2 did make the mage armor a little diffrent than just one set of robes.

As for why no armor.  In traditional mage concept you needed to be able to get to your spell coponets and do certain body and hand movements that wasn't allways easy to do with added armor.  That is why most armored mages wore little to nothing as for armor.  Me personnel I hated the robes all the time.  It was like "LOOK AT ME, I'M THE MAGE KILL ME FIRST."  Not that throwing that fireball first thing in a combat didn't allready do that.  When I use to play D&D on TT I would alot of times have my Mages almost look more like rogues or just commoners with alot of poaches and a hooded cloak.   Some times even carring a short sword instead of the age old staff. (yah alot where dueal class).

I support mage armor, especially for apostates. 

I specifically downloaded new armors off the Nexus that were scaleable (and pretty much made me, attributes-wise, a god  I don't like using mods like that) because it felt suicidal walking around Kirkwall, basically saying:

"Look, I'm a squishy mage, it you can get to me before I start casting, you can wring my tiny neck!"

Modifié par Palipride47, 25 octobre 2012 - 01:34 .

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Malcolm Hawke incorporated armor into his mercenary attire, and there are a few other Mage pieces that have armor incorporated into it. Arcane Warriors were a specific type of Mage school that used their magic to act as the needed strength to wear armor.

Additionally, in DAO you can find a codex that says there was some weapons training classes for Mages at a time, but that was ultimately gotten rid of by order of the.... Templars, IIRC.

Merrill wears light armor when she's romanced by Hawke.

[TEWR]

Ah yes, I forgot about her upgraded armor.

[Dhiro]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Malcolm Hawke incorporated armor into his mercenary attire, and there are a few other Mage pieces that have armor incorporated into it. Arcane Warriors were a specific type of Mage school that used their magic to act as the needed strength to wear armor.

Additionally, in DAO you can find a codex that says there was some weapons training classes for Mages at a time, but that was ultimately gotten rid of by order of the.... Templars, IIRC.

Merrill wears light armor when she's romanced by Hawke.

Merrill never lived in a Circle though, so she has no reason to obey the "bad mage, no armor!" rule.

[DreamwareStudio]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Actually what really happens is the armor traps the magic against you, the magical bursts melt you, and sometimes your tampon falls out.

LMAO

[Wifflebottom]

Didn't you hear Anders? The robes are so they can screw each other easier. It gets boring in the Circle...

[Demx]

Wifflebottom wrote...

Didn't you hear Anders? The robes are so they can screw each other easier. It gets boring in the Circle...

That's the old Anders. The new Anders would probably say something like the Templars make them wear robes so that they can walk and defecate at the same time while being transported to new a new tower.

[Pinely]

I just hope we get more Dragon Age 2 style robes and less Dragon Age Origins style robes. Like the Robes of the Notorious Pirate or the Robe of Hidden Pockets or any of the DLC robes. I always took Arcane Warrior purely to avoid wearing those ridiculous looking robes. And don't even get me started on those hats. Its hard to feel like a powerful person when it appears as though you are wearing a bath robe.

[Palipride47]

Siradix wrote...

Wifflebottom wrote...

Didn't you hear Anders? The robes are so they can screw each other easier. It gets boring in the Circle...

That's the old Anders. The new Anders would probably say something like the Templars make them wear robes so that they can walk and defecate at the same time while being transported to new a new tower.

:lol:

[philippe willaume]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Armor don't give restriction to magic in DA world not like some games, so i don't see why Mages in DA don't want to wear armor
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because DA:O is kinder to subotimal build and in DA:2 it is massively detrimental to diverts from class attributes.

phil

Modifié par philippe willaume, 25 octobre 2012 - 10:23 .

[labargegrrrl]

to be fair, there were a few outfits dubbed as "robes" in both games that didn't seem very robe-like.

in da2 in particular, rotnp were obviously light armor, and rotc were just flat-out chain and plate. several items in that game seemed to only be CALLED robes so we knew they were designed for characters who had high magic/willpower stats.

also, let's not forget low-level light armors in both games were very easy to equip on mages.

(note: i support MORE of those armor-y "robes" showing up again!)

in my head, i can think of a few reasons why ANY ranged fighter (and even a few direct melee fighters) would want to avoid heavy armor. mostly b/c it's HEAVY. hard to move in. takes a lot of maintenance. people act as though heavy armor is always the most practical, but that's not necessarily the case. (ask any templar in ferelden who couldn't jump in a lake over it!)

[Peranor]

Siradix wrote...

Wifflebottom wrote...

Didn't you hear Anders? The robes are so they can screw each other easier. It gets boring in the Circle...

That's the old Anders. The new Anders would probably say something like the Templars make them wear robes so that they can walk and defecate at the same time while being transported to new a new tower.

The new Anders would say that armor only prevents you from cutting yourself.

[Conquerthecity]

 I always thought it was a concentration issue. It takes a lot of concentration to cast all those spells and any stress on the body (Like really heavy armor) might interfere with that. I also imagine that magic is draining on the body and that mages probably have a hard time keeping up weight or muscle.