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[Question2]

Actually dual wielding anything other than daggers is pointless.

A comparison of DPS with dual wielding tier 7 swords(e.g. keening blade, top sider's honor, etc) and lower tier daggers show that the daggers do much more damage, primarily due to :

-Superior crit chance

-Superior armor penetration

-Superior attack speed, the biggest factor

When flaming weapons gives you +23 damage per hit, attack speed is the biggest factor of DPS.

[AntiChri5]

Except that some people actually play the game for fun, not to make big numbers. So it is far from "pointless"

[phordicus]

i think his point is that the game mechanics are illogical and inconsistent.

[Yozaro]

And I even keep my old pieces of armor if they look better than the new ones...

[AntiChri5]

Yozaro wrote...

And I even keep my old pieces of armor if they look better than the new ones...

This. My Human Noble kept the Sheild of Highever for a rediculously long time after it was outdated.

[Cybercat999]

Yozaro wrote...

And I even keep my old pieces of armor if they look better than the new ones...

Yeah, same thing. I can go powergame and min-max and be all efficient and decide I will NOT be sidetracked by some pretty dress this time..... and then I find some crappy piece of armor that looks sooo good on my girl.....
I am lost cause.

[AntiChri5]

phordicus wrote...

i think his point is that the game mechanics are illogical and inconsistent.

Then he should have said "Dual weilding full sized swords is not as effecient as using daggers"

My Female Human Noble is really enjoying 2 swords. They are FAR from pointless, (she certainly manages to out-damage my sword and board warrior)

[DragonRageGT]

Definitely, for a Rogue I would recommend and stick with Daggers... but for a Dwarf Warrior? What the heck, Big Swords FTW! What's the point in having all the chars exactly the same? I also keep the best looking armor, not necessarily the best one.



But I congratulate the OP for an immense capacity of stating the obvious!

[Silensfurtim]

hows does it get +23 flame damage?

[Kalcalan]

That's correct, having a dagger is the offhand is better (as far as "DPS" is concerned) than wielding a sword in the offhand because it will increase attack speed.

Silensfurtim wrote...



hows does it get +23 flame damage?

Probably runes and flaming weapons.

phordicus wrote...

i think his point is that the game mechanics are illogical and inconsistent.

Could you name one game in which game mechanics are logical, consistent and true to life?

Yozaro wrote...

And I even keep my old pieces of armor if they look better than the new ones...

Same here. The game is not that hard so you don't have to powergame the fashion department. I even played a Dwarf Warrior who refused to wear an armour and walked around in his loincloth. At least it was entertaining.

[fchopin]

Question2 wrote...

Actually dual wielding anything other than daggers is pointless.

I am sure bioware can easily fix this in a patch.

[ToJKa1]

But nothing says "Don't **** with me!" like Starfang and Topsider's Honor

If only i could dual-wield Yusaris and Ageless

[Thanatos45]

Depends. Full-sized weapons do more damage per hit so if you're using a lot of special moves (which is very possible with fixed death blow) two full sized weapons might very well be more efficient than 2 daggers, also since elemental damage doesn't apply on special attacks. For Rogues I agree though, there is no reason to dual-wield anything but daggers as far as powergaming goes.

[sirrealist8]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Except that some people actually play the game for fun, not to make big numbers. So it is far from "pointless"

QFT

Full discolsure: I am a minMaxer

Modifié par sirrealist8, 31 décembre 2009 - 03:07 .

[Martyr McFly]

I'm not arguing for or against game mechanics necessarily, but I have a question- how much more difficult is it to beat the game with two full-sized weapons than two daggers on the hardest difficulty? If the difference is not appreciable, then it isn't a terribly important difference.

In a single-player game, viability is more important than equality.

[Question2]

Actually i used the respec mod to test values.Inventory screen, damage was roughly the same, except that dagger set had better crit chance and armor penetration. When armor penetration is factored in, im sure daggers would do more damage.



The biggest issue i suppose is how you need 36 dex to wield two full sized weapons, BUT the 36 dex does NOTHING for your damage. On the other hand having a minimal amount of strength for talents and wearing armor will still boost your dagger damage after which you can just pump all points into dex to increase defence, attack and damage.



This is probably the main reason why per hit damage on dual wielding daggers is going to be superior than dual wielding two swords.

[Thanatos45]

Depends on how you distribute your points. I had 41 str and 36 dex on my dual wielding berserker and he certainly did more damage dualling axes than daggers.

[Noviere]

See this thread for detailed numbers:



http://social.biowar...66/index/223777

[AsheraII]

Question is... why would anyone care about those numbers?

Stuff dies when dual wielding whatever you can think of, nothing else matters.

[Question2]

Thanatos45 wrote...

Depends on how you distribute your points. I had 41 str and 36 dex on my dual wielding berserker and he certainly did more damage dualling axes than daggers.

Or you could have 20 str 57 dex which is equavelent to +38.5 damage which gives you much better defence and attack. and you are still going to do more damage with daggers.

[MerinTB]

*sigh*

Pointless.

Not if you want your character to be running around with two swords and not two daggers.
Not if you want the cool animation of holding two swords instead of two daggers.
Not if you all but ignored Dex and filled up on Str and Con.
Not if you have an RP story reason why your character would be wielding Oathkeeper or The Green Blade or some other sword you got in a way that your character would honor.

If your sole purpose to do the most damage over time, then you build it right and dual daggers are probably the way to go.

But there are "points" to using two swords. Because those points mean nothing to you, OP, does not make it pointless.

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The misuse of language combined with the putting forth opinion as fact really grates on me sometimes.

Modifié par MerinTB, 31 décembre 2009 - 05:24 .

[Tyrax Lightning]

Has anyone tried goin 36 Dex & 22 Cun to fulfill Rogue skill requirements & goin rest in Str then Dual-Wielding full sized weapons, & checked that out? I wonder if in a curcumstance like this, ya could kill stuff fast enough to take attack speed outta the equation & outperform DW Daggers this way?

Plus, I agree that asthetics aren't irrelevant even if they're not everything either. How is a dwarf rogue supposed to look good with daggers? Daggers are best left to the humans & elves. For dwarves, I say Axes!!!

Modifié par Tyrax Lightning, 31 décembre 2009 - 06:01 .

[Kalcalan]

MerinTB wrote...

Not if you all but ignored Dex and filled up on Str and Con.

If you ignore Dexterity then it's pointless to put points in dual wielding.

[Must have name]

One thing you have ignored is that dual-wielding swords increases the damage of skills like Dual-Weapon Sweep and Whirlwind.

[MerinTB]

Kalcalan wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Not if you all but ignored Dex and filled up on Str and Con.

If you ignore Dexterity then it's pointless to put points in dual wielding.

That's why that all important "all but" was there - to acknowledge that you need some points in Dex to get the DW skills.

nitpicky