Hahaha you people are kidding, right? Collectors are easily my favourite faction, and no, I'm not being sarcastic. They're far more intelligent than other factions, which is good.
Ok, I agree. Collectors are OP.
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Asharad Hett
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#27
Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:13
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BleedingUranium wrote...
Hahaha you people are kidding, right? Collectors are easily my favourite faction, and no, I'm not being sarcastic. They're far more intelligent than other factions, which is good.
Relatively speaking, they are harder (on bronze) than other races. However, I'm not calling for a nerf. Maybe the other races should be made more difficult, to match the Collectors.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:14
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If a Bronze Scion has more armored health and better damage than a Gold Brute, then yes I think the Bronze and Silver difficulty Collectors need another going over.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:16
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The only change they need to to make those stupid seeker swarms easier to kill. They should have like half as much health as they currently do.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:18
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Blissey1 wrote...
The only change they need to to make those stupid seeker swarms easier to kill. They should have like half as much health as they currently do.
The seeker swarms go down easily when Tech Armor is detonated. Other than that, yeah, they are pretty much hard to kill thanks to their buzzing around.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:22
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Commander NT13 wrote...
If a Bronze Scion has more armored health and better damage than a Gold Brute, then yes I think the Bronze and Silver difficulty Collectors need another going over.
...what? You might as well say that since a Bronze Praetorian has more health than a Gold Dragoon they need to look at the difficulty levels. Brute =/= Scion. At all.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:23
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Blissey1 wrote...
The only change they need to to make those stupid seeker swarms easier to kill. They should have like half as much health as they currently do.
Actually, this I agree with. I can't think of a single standard power that can OHK them. They pretty much all do about half damage, which is fairly pitiful.
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#33
Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:25
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BleedingUranium wrote...
Commander NT13 wrote...
If a Bronze Scion has more armored health and better damage than a Gold Brute, then yes I think the Bronze and Silver difficulty Collectors need another going over.
...what? You might as well say that since a Bronze Praetorian has more health than a Gold Dragoon they need to look at the difficulty levels. Brute =/= Scion. At all.
Two different things entirely. May have had some merit if I compared the Scion to another mook.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:31
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I destroy liars.
He's only a liar from your point of view, because it's not aligning with your experiences.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:31
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I didn't have any issues with the Collectors. Then again, I only played on Silver. Not Gold or Platinum.
I actually found them quite easy.
Could be my weapons though. I had an X weapon when I did the match.
I actually found them quite easy.
Could be my weapons though. I had an X weapon when I did the match.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:31
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My only problem with collectors is the fact that a Scion can kill me in three shots while I am a Krogan Vanguard in Silver... There is something weird with that!
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:32
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BleedingUranium wrote...
Blissey1 wrote...
The only change they need to to make those stupid seeker swarms easier to kill. They should have like half as much health as they currently do.
Actually, this I agree with. I can't think of a single standard power that can OHK them. They pretty much all do about half damage, which is fairly pitiful.
It's pretty riddicilous for sure. It's the same problem as with the Geth Bomber. They just take too many damn hits.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:33
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I don't think it's fair for new players to be going up against bronze collectors
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:33
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TheGreatDayne wrote...
My only problem with collectors is the fact that a Scion can kill me in three shots while I am a Krogan Vanguard in Silver... There is something weird with that!
I had 80% shields and full health bar on my Vanguard, I got oneshotted by scion's last shot (was hosting). It's like their attacks do % damage, instead of numerical values.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:33
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Commander NT13 wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Commander NT13 wrote...
If a Bronze Scion has more armored health and better damage than a Gold Brute, then yes I think the Bronze and Silver difficulty Collectors need another going over.
...what? You might as well say that since a Bronze Praetorian has more health than a Gold Dragoon they need to look at the difficulty levels. Brute =/= Scion. At all.
Two different things entirely. May have had some merit if I compared the Scion to another mook.
My point was more that Scions and Brutes fill completely different roles, so the comparison doesn't really work. You can, however, compare them to Ravagers.
Note that I'm not trying to say Collectors are perfect and don't need tweaks, I just don't see why everyone thinks they're so hard.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:34
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Arppis wrote...
TheGreatDayne wrote...
My only problem with collectors is the fact that a Scion can kill me in three shots while I am a Krogan Vanguard in Silver... There is something weird with that!
I had 80% shields and full health bar on my Vanguard, I got oneshotted by scion's last shot (was hosting). It's like their attacks do % damage, instead of numerical values.
I've always thought that too, it's odd.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:36
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BleedingUranium wrote...
Commander NT13 wrote...
If a Bronze Scion has more armored health and better damage than a Gold Brute, then yes I think the Bronze and Silver difficulty Collectors need another going over.
...what? You might as well say that since a Bronze Praetorian has more health than a Gold Dragoon they need to look at the difficulty levels. Brute =/= Scion. At all.
Brute is the lesser boss of the Reapers and has strong armor. Scion is the lesser boss of the Collectors and has strong armor. Good comparison.
Praetorian is the boss of the Collectors... Dragoon is a mook unit. Bad comparison.
Would you rather that someone point out that Praetorians are far stronger, faster, resiliant than an Atlas in every way? Or perhaps sync kill in more annoying ways than a Banshee? Or how about that they can stunlock you worse than a Prime at close range?
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:37
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Lord Rosario wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Commander NT13 wrote...
If a Bronze Scion has more armored health and better damage than a Gold Brute, then yes I think the Bronze and Silver difficulty Collectors need another going over.
...what? You might as well say that since a Bronze Praetorian has more health than a Gold Dragoon they need to look at the difficulty levels. Brute =/= Scion. At all.
Brute is the lesser boss of the Reapers and has strong armor. Scion is the lesser boss of the Collectors and has strong armor. Good comparison.
Praetorian is the boss of the Collectors... Dragoon is a mook unit. Bad comparison.
Would you rather that someone point out that Praetorians are far stronger, faster, resiliant than an Atlas in every way? Or perhaps sync kill in more annoying ways than a Banshee? Or how about that they can stunlock you worse than a Prime at close range?
Yes, but you can avoid all of their attacks easily. You can't say the same about Atlas and their homing attacks.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:42
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SUCCUMB AND ASCEND....Asharad Hett wrote...
My bronze team just got our butts handed to us. It took 16+ minutes to complete, an only 2 survived.
OR BE ANNIHILATED.
- Harbinger.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 07:43
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Lord Rosario wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Commander NT13 wrote...
If a Bronze Scion has more armored health and better damage than a Gold Brute, then yes I think the Bronze and Silver difficulty Collectors need another going over.
...what? You might as well say that since a Bronze Praetorian has more health than a Gold Dragoon they need to look at the difficulty levels. Brute =/= Scion. At all.
Brute is the lesser boss of the Reapers and has strong armor. Scion is the lesser boss of the Collectors and has strong armor. Good comparison.
Praetorian is the boss of the Collectors... Dragoon is a mook unit. Bad comparison.
Would you rather that someone point out that Praetorians are far stronger, faster, resiliant than an Atlas in every way? Or perhaps sync kill in more annoying ways than a Banshee? Or how about that they can stunlock you worse than a Prime at close range?
That's too vague. The Brute is melee only, the Scion barely moves and has an arm canon like a Ravager, Prime, or Atlas. The Scion is about 75% Ravager - 25% Brute, so think about it accordingly.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 08:20
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BleedingUranium wrote...
That's too vague. The Brute is melee only, the Scion barely moves and has an arm canon like a Ravager, Prime, or Atlas. The Scion is about 75% Ravager - 25% Brute, so think about it accordingly.
Bronze Brute - 6000 armor
Bronze Ravager - 3600 armor
Bronze Scion - 7500 armor ---> 11250 armor / 1125 barrier (possessed)
More like a Scion = Brute + Ravager, it is by comparison it's own boss-level character, thus making the Collectors the only faction with 2 boss characters on the board at one time, probably at a reduced budgetary cost for the wave mechanics.
For comparisons sake:
Bronze Atlas - 9000 armor / 7500 shields
Bronze Phantom - 700 health / 1050 barrier
Bronze Banshee - 7500 armor / 4500 barrier
Bronze Prime - 7500 armor / 5250 shields
Bronze Praetorian - 9700 armor / 7000 barrier ---> 15520 armor / 7000 barrier (possessed)
Statement is fair. Collectors make other classes look weak, especially their supposed makers, the Reapers.
Referenced: Waves and Enemy Spawns
http://social.biowar.../index/12857013
Enemy Health Sheet
http://social.biowar.../index/13255687
#47
Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 08:31
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I'm convinced Possessed Praetorians on Gold are nearly immortal and on Platinum just are straight up Immortal and THEY can single handedly bring down Sovereign class Reapers...
#48
Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 08:39
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People still arent completely used to them yet thats the only problem
Nope. They are OP on Bronze and Silver.
It's true. They feel a lot harder then the other factions on lower difficulties. IMO it's about spawns: it looks like they used a spawn rate similar to Reapers, but every collector unit is a lot stronger than their reaper counterpart.
The strange thing is that they don't feel OP in gold...
#49
Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 08:56
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jpraelster93 wrote...
People still arent completely used to them yet thats the only problem
I had a match earlier as a vorcha soldier, glacier/collectors/gold. It was one of the easiest collector matches I've had, they don't seem to like acolyes and fire much.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 08:59
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Asharad Hett wrote...
My bronze team just got our butts handed to us. It took 16+ minutes to complete, an only 2 survived.
You'd figure Darth Krayt could put up a better fight than that.
But yeah, Collectors are pretty absurd and I imagine many of their mechanics transcend skill level such that they're disproportiantely challenging to
