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[MrScottBear]

Figured this out pretty quickly when certain Biosplosions failed to take out Enemies. Glad to have confirmation.

Also, inb4worksasintended by a Bioware rep.

[BridgeBurner]

corlist wrote...

Scions do 2800/4256/5600/6720 damage per shot in the 4 difficulties respectively.

Wait, are these numbers for the double damage hit, or are these numbers for a single instance? If it's the latter, taking 15k damage in a single hit on platinum is just ridiculous.....

[corlist]

Annomander wrote...

corlist wrote...

Scions do 2800/4256/5600/6720 damage per shot in the 4 difficulties respectively.

Wait, are these numbers for the double damage hit, or are these numbers for a single instance? If it's the latter, taking 15k damage in a single hit on platinum is just ridiculous.....

Those damages are already doubled. They actually do half of that twice.

[CharlieCC]

corlist wrote...

LandoCalrisian wrote...

corlist wrote...

Stasis does not have a detonate evolution which increases BE damage, which you could have spotted if you checked the details I provided carefully. What's missing is the bronze scaling bonus.

It would help if you compared Bronze warp+throw Collectors to Bronze warp+throw other factions then, instead of comparing warp+throw to stasis+warp, especially since the numbers are identical.

You have 100*2.5*1.5*1.5*1.15 = 646.875 for collectors
           and 100*2.5*1.5*1.5*1.15 = 646.875 for cerberus.

To properly display differences, try using the same combo across the board.

At any rate, good find.

The same combo would've provided wrong numbers for the bronze troopers (too much damage) in other factions unfortunately, hence the stasis + warp.

If you're still unsure about any damage calculation above, see this thread.

it would have been easier to understand if you were to write it like this:

Bronze

Collector
warp 6 + throw 6 vs trooper
Damage 646.875061
100 * 2.5 [base multiplier] * 1.5 [detonate 1] * 1.5 [detonate 2] * 1.15 [expose] = 646.875

Cerberus
warp 6 + throw 6 vs trooper
100 * 2.5 [base multiplier] * 1.5 [bronze scaling] * 1.5 [detonate 1] * 1.5 [detonate 2] * 1.15 [expose] = 970.3125

showing that the collector is missing the bronze scaling damage multiplier

[Alijah Green]

I never noticed me and my N7 Fury + Black Widow wipes the floor with them.

[OmegaRex]

B.Shep wrote...

I don't mind. I really like the challenge.

this.

if there's anything we need to complain about to get bioware to change, it's the Dragoons for Cerberus. Not because they're hard, because they're not, but because that's all the waves consist of after Wave 2 it seems.

[BridgeBurner]

corlist wrote...

Annomander wrote...

corlist wrote...

Scions do 2800/4256/5600/6720 damage per shot in the 4 difficulties respectively.

Wait, are these numbers for the double damage hit, or are these numbers for a single instance? If it's the latter, taking 15k damage in a single hit on platinum is just ridiculous.....

Those damages are already doubled. They actually do half of that twice.

So with 75% DR active, which is probably around say 60% actual DR (under ambitious estimate), the actual damage on a krogan sentinel should look like:
0.4*2800 = 1120 damage per hit against a rage mode krogan sentinel on gold, instead of the current 2240....

Thanks very much for these tests, it explains so much.

The detonation resistance I can understand, and I'll even go so far as to say its intentional on bioware's part.

The scion damage cries bug though, no one in their right mind thought it would be fair or balanced to implement that kind of ridiculous damage, rendering high-shield / high DR kits completely and utterly flimsy; and we're talking geth /w hunter mode flimsy.....

Modifié par Annomander, 21 octobre 2012 - 04:26 .

[lazuli]

Interesting. The scions do seem to do far more damage than they should.

[Psycho Pisces]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

That's why Scions 3 shot anything in the game. .

Staying in cover prevents this. Try it sometime. 

But that's cheatin...er.. Farmi...er..Campi...er...Cheap..er.. what are they calling it this week?  

[Frozen Mind]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

I don't see a reason for all the fuss - They were obliterated in 25 minutes on London.

Indeed. Moderator, please close this thread, because Clearly Balkan finished Platinum Collectors run in 25 mins on FB London with Turian Ghost Infiltrator and Biotic Explosions work same on all of 4 factions.

Modifié par Frozen Mind, 21 octobre 2012 - 04:36 .

[Clearly Balkan]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Btw. Just 1 hour ago I played Collectors Platinum with my TGI & Saber Mark 8.

I don't see a reason for all the fuss - They were obliterated in 25 minutes on London.

Oh, 25 minutes on London with a TGI. You must be a very special player. After all, the TGI is a very difficult class to master. And 25 minutes is a very impressive time.

^ This is sarcasm, FYI.

If that is so bad, I expect you can do better. You're probably ME3 PRO & can do it in 12 minutes.

I'm preety satisfied to get credits from 3 Platinum runs in one hour.

[BridgeBurner]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Btw. Just 1 hour ago I played Collectors Platinum with my TGI & Saber Mark 8.

I don't see a reason for all the fuss - They were obliterated in 25 minutes on London.

Oh, 25 minutes on London with a TGI. You must be a very special player. After all, the TGI is a very difficult class to master. And 25 minutes is a very impressive time.

^ This is sarcasm, FYI.

If that is so bad, I expect you can do better. You're probably ME3 PRO & can do it in 12 minutes.

I'm preety satisfied to get credits from 3 Platinum runs in one hour.

Calm down ladies, everybody knows that I would kick both your asses anyday, because I can get melee kill medals as a volus on platinum, so no matter how tough you are, your balls will never be remotely close to the size my Scottish ones are.

[BridgeBurner]

I've taken to avoiding ladders when fighting collectors. I've been blasted off the top rung more times than I could count by a dastardly scion.

Though, now my ascension to biotic godhood is complete, I no longer require ladders.....

All credit for the screenshot goes to my Irish buddy Dumael

"I AM A BIOTIC GOD!"

Modifié par Annomander, 21 octobre 2012 - 05:00 .

[Beerfish]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

That's why Scions 3 shot anything in the game. .

Staying in cover prevents this. Try it sometime. 

So you are saying that it is now important to use gold tactics on bronze?  Excellent.

[Mozts]

Okay... Thats disturbing.

[Clearly Balkan]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Yeah, I am better. But then, you ARE an ecks bawks player, so it would be hard NOT to be better.

I hardly believe that, but then again you belong to dying PC "master" race. 

[xero_sensi]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

That's why Scions 3 shot anything in the game. .

Staying in cover prevents this. Try it sometime. 

 

I'll quote someone I can't remember and say 'some of us hold the line, not the counter'.

"hold the line. personally prefer to get job done and go home." - Mordin

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

Clearly Bragging wrote...

[Nafzger]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Yeah, I am better. But then, you ARE an ecks bawks player, so it would be hard NOT to be better.

lol so pro with his 1337 PC skills. PC is EZ mode since you just wiggle your little mouse over their heads to take your shots. On a console, you actually have to put effort into it. Consoles take skills. PC takes nothing.

[BridgeBurner]

Wait wait wait.... I just posted photographic evidence that i have achieved biotic god-status, and not one person is going to comment on the genius of it?

Soooo, here's a few more screenshots of my godliness....

Complete with my minions enthralled to my power!