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[The Hierophant]

Since it's confirmed that Da3 has only one playable  race for the pc, will it's CC dwarf the previous installments in customization options? Will there be sliders for ear types, mouth types, head shapes, beauty marks, freckles, scars, more hair styles(non plastic looking), nose shapes, and eye shapes? Any response will be nice.

[Caiden012]

Races options seem pretty basic for a fantasy RPG where you are suppose to make your own character. By not have race it sort of puts this games customization at DA2 level for me. But we now very little so far besides that.

[Rawgrim]

Caiden012 wrote...

Races options seem pretty basic for a fantasy RPG where you are suppose to make your own character. By not have race it sort of puts this games customization at DA2 level for me. But we now very little so far besides that.

Diablo level, really. You only get to pick how you kill stuff.

[The Elder King]

Rawgrim wrote...

Caiden012 wrote...

Races options seem pretty basic for a fantasy RPG where you are suppose to make your own character. By not have race it sort of puts this games customization at DA2 level for me. But we now very little so far besides that.

Diablo level, really. You only get to pick how you kill stuff.

In Diablo could you change your appearance? Could you change your skin tone, you hair, etc.?

[JWvonGoethe]

Well, I'm guessing the developers are getting a well-deserved rest right now. The only CC option that we can tell is almost certainly not going to happen is that you will not be able to adjust your character's height. That's because technical problems with having protagonists of different heights in cutscenes has been cited as one of the reasons we're not getting playable races. You might want to bump your thread in a few hours if you want a dev to see it.

Personally, I really hope they go all out on character creation. I spend hours making my characters.

[Rawgrim]

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Caiden012 wrote...

Races options seem pretty basic for a fantasy RPG where you are suppose to make your own character. By not have race it sort of puts this games customization at DA2 level for me. But we now very little so far besides that.

Diablo level, really. You only get to pick how you kill stuff.

In Diablo could you change your appearance? Could you change your skin tone, you hair, etc.?

Nope. Thats pretty much the only difference. + the dialogue options. But those have no influence on the story either so...

[The Hierophant]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

Well, I'm guessing the developers are getting a well-deserved rest right now. The only CC option that we can tell is almost certainly not going to happen is that you will not be able to adjust your character's height. That's because technical problems with having protagonists of different heights in cutscenes has been cited as one of the reasons we're not getting playable races. You might want to bump your thread in a few hours if you want a dev to see it.

Personally, I really hope they go all out on character creation. I spend hours making my characters.

Agreed, especially at the bolded as i was a little disappointed that Da2's CC wasn't expanded upon more with the removal of the racial choices.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 21 octobre 2012 - 04:39 .

[The Elder King]

Rawgrim wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Caiden012 wrote...

Races options seem pretty basic for a fantasy RPG where you are suppose to make your own character. By not have race it sort of puts this games customization at DA2 level for me. But we now very little so far besides that.

Diablo level, really. You only get to pick how you kill stuff.

In Diablo could you change your appearance? Could you change your skin tone, you hair, etc.?

Nope. Thats pretty much the only difference. + the dialogue options. But those have no influence on the story either so...

The post you quoted was talking about customization, probably of the PC (since he was referring to race options). Your post implied that DA2-DA3 customization is on level of Diablo, which is false (at least for DA2, since we don't see anything yet about DA3.

[Caiden012]

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Caiden012 wrote...

Races options seem pretty basic for a fantasy RPG where you are suppose to make your own character. By not have race it sort of puts this games customization at DA2 level for me. But we now very little so far besides that.

Diablo level, really. You only get to pick how you kill stuff.

In Diablo could you change your appearance? Could you change your skin tone, you hair, etc.?

Nope. Thats pretty much the only difference. + the dialogue options. But those have no influence on the story either so...

The post you quoted was talking about customization, probably of the PC (since he was referring to race options). Your post implied that DA2-DA3 customization is on level of Diablo, which is false (at least for DA2, since we don't see anything yet about DA3.

It is above diablo level but diablo really isn't about character creation. Dragon Age is a story about your character. The fact is DA2 didn't have as much customization as DA:O. How can you make a sequal that lacks the same quality. The only thing we have heard about personal character creating is limitations which is what we got with DA2.

[The Elder King]

Caiden012 wrote...



It is above diablo level but diablo really isn't about character creation. Dragon Age is a story about your character. The fact is DA2 didn't have as much customization as DA:O. How can you make a sequal that lacks the same quality. The only thing we have heard about personal character creating is limitations which is what we got with DA2.

I never said DA2 was on the same level of DA2, I'm saying that Diablo shouldn't be used as comparison to customization, and that if someone said that DA2=Diablo in term of customization, it's a false statement.
I want the race options back, but I already know that they wouldn't be back in DA3 (they already said that there would most likely be one race option months ago), so I wasn't expecting them in DA3. They could let you customize more the PC, though, like making slides for the body type (I hate having a human mage with has the samy body of a warrior) or letting the specialization or the classes actually have a role in the game. It's ridicolous that almost nobody recognize you as a mage in DA2, or even worse if you're a blood mage.

Modifié par hhh89, 21 octobre 2012 - 04:54 .

[Rawgrim]

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

[The Elder King]

Rawgrim wrote...

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

This wasn't confiemed in the slightest. They only said that the PC is Andrastian, which doesn't mean he has to be deeply religious, I'm Catholic and I'm not deeply religious or fond of my faith's ierarchy.

[Rawgrim]

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

This wasn't confiemed in the slightest. They only said that the PC is Andrastian, which doesn't mean he has to be deeply religious, I'm Catholic and I'm not deeply religious or fond of my faith's ierarchy.

But you belive in god.

[The Elder King]

Rawgrim wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

This wasn't confiemed in the slightest. They only said that the PC is Andrastian, which doesn't mean he has to be deeply religious, I'm Catholic and I'm not deeply religious or fond of my faith's ierarchy.

But you belive in god.

And that means I'm deeply religious? If you've said "that human is also Andrastian" I wouldn't have nothing to say to you. But the fact that a person believe in god doesn't make them religious, or deeply religious. A lot of humans in DA2 believed in the Maker and yet I'm pretty sure they're not religious.
Anders, for example, is Andrastian but not deeply religous, and definitely not fond of the Chantry.

Modifié par hhh89, 21 octobre 2012 - 05:14 .

[Aulis Vaara]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

Well, I'm guessing the developers are getting a well-deserved rest right now. The only CC option that we can tell is almost certainly not going to happen is that you will not be able to adjust your character's height. That's because technical problems with having protagonists of different heights in cutscenes has been cited as one of the reasons we're not getting playable races. You might want to bump your thread in a few hours if you want a dev to see it.

Personally, I really hope they go all out on character creation. I spend hours making my characters.

I always found this a rather weak excuse, considering that it worked rather well in Dragon Age: Origins. Everyone keeps bringing that game up as one of Bioware's best, and this is a big part of the reason for that. There was no "this can't be done" attitude, they just made a kickass game. They weren't concerned with making it look perfect, they were clearly more focussed on good gameplay, which is exactly how it should be.

Modifié par Aulis Vaara, 21 octobre 2012 - 05:27 .

[Rawgrim]

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

This wasn't confiemed in the slightest. They only said that the PC is Andrastian, which doesn't mean he has to be deeply religious, I'm Catholic and I'm not deeply religious or fond of my faith's ierarchy.

But you belive in god.

And that means I'm deeply religious? If you've said "that human is also Andrastian" I wouldn't have nothing to say to you. But the fact that a person believe in god doesn't make them religious, or deeply religious. A lot of humans in DA2 believed in the Maker and yet I'm pretty sure they're not religious.
Anders, for example, is Andrastian but not deeply religous, and definitely not fond of the Chantry.

Still. Its a pretty deffining trait in a personality. In rpgs you create your own character. You can`t do that when imporant things like these are being decided for you.

[The Hierophant]

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

This wasn't confiemed in the slightest. They only said that the PC is Andrastian, which doesn't mean he has to be deeply religious, I'm Catholic and I'm not deeply religious or fond of my faith's ierarchy.

But you belive in god.

And that means I'm deeply religious? If you've said "that human is also Andrastian" I wouldn't have nothing to say to you. But the fact that a person believe in god doesn't make them religious, or deeply religious. A lot of humans in DA2 believed in the Maker and yet I'm pretty sure they're not religious.
Anders, for example, is Andrastian but not deeply religous, and definitely not fond of the Chantry.

The main issue i see with this is that it shifts the pc into being a set character with preset beliefs/ideals that some people might not agree with(disconnect), and using headcanon is only a deluded denial of what transpired.

[The Elder King]

Rawgrim wrote...



Still. Its a pretty deffining trait in a personality. In rpgs you create your own character. You can`t do that when imporant things like these are being decided for you.

Yeah, it certainly prevented Anders to blew up the Chantry. Or like it prevented a certain king in the Middle Age to lock up the Pope. And the fact that I believe in god isn't a defining trait of my personality, since I'm hardly religious.
There's a huge difference between having the PC as merely Andrastian and having the PC as deeply religious. I could be fine with having the PC with a set religion, but I can't enjoy the game if I'll be forced to be deeply religious.
I understand why having the PC forced to be Andrastian is a huge problem for people (and I surely miss the fact that I couldn't play as an atheist PC anymore), but having the PC as Andrastian=/= being deeply religious.

[The Elder King]

The Hierophant wrote...


The main issue i see with this is that it shifts the pc into being a set character with preset beliefs/ideals that some people might not agree with(disconnect), and using headcanon is only a deluded denial of what transpired.

I agree with you, but I'm not saying that being Andrastian isn't a problem. I'm saying that being Andrastian is different then being religious (or as Rawgrim said, deeply religious). Again, Anders is Andrastian, and yet he criticized the Chantry a lot of time (even in DAA, I believe) and blew up a church full of priests. Believing in the Maker doesn't make you automatically a religious person.

Modifié par hhh89, 21 octobre 2012 - 05:46 .

[The Hierophant]

hhh89 wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...


The main issue i see with this is that it shifts the pc into being a set character with preset beliefs/ideals that some people might not agree with(disconnect), and using headcanon is only a deluded denial of what transpired.

I agree with you, but I'm not saying that being Andrastian isn't a problem. I'm saying that being Andrastian is different then being religious (or as Rawgrim said, deeply religious). Again, Anders is Andrastian, and yet he criticized the Chantry a lot of time (even in DAA, I believe) and blew up a church full of priests. Believing in the Maker doesn't make you automatically a religious person.

I'm not up in arms against a pc with a set identity as i was mostly empathizing with posters who are, but my only concern for the momemt is the depth of the character creator.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:12 .

[Blackrising]

Rawgrim wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

This wasn't confiemed in the slightest. They only said that the PC is Andrastian, which doesn't mean he has to be deeply religious, I'm Catholic and I'm not deeply religious or fond of my faith's ierarchy.

But you belive in god.

Not necessarily.
I'm Catholic as well. Why? Because it's tradition and my parents made it so.
But that doesn't mean I believe in god or that I like what the church preaches.

[Palipride47]

Rawgrim wrote...

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

Race has been predetermined. Personality has not. 

[Caiden012]

Palipride47 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

Race has been predetermined. Personality has not. 

Yep dialouge wheel lets you be nice, mean, or funny. So many options.

[The Elder King]

Caiden012 wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

So far we have been told we have to play a human. And that human is also deeply religious. So his race and personality is pretty much made up for you when you start.

Race has been predetermined. Personality has not. 

Yep dialouge wheel lets you be nice, mean, or funny. So many options.

And this is related to play as human (even Andrastian) because.....?
If Bioware will make a DAO-type of game with a fixed human, people would still be pissed for the lack of race options. They're two different problems.

[The Elder King]

The Hierophant wrote...

]I'm not up in arms against a pc with a set identity as i was mostly empathising with posters who are, but my my only concern for the momemt is the depth of the character creator.

It's my concern too, since the CC in both DA games was bad.