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[challenger18]

Rawgrim wrote...




Action-Adventure Shooter. Rpgs have stats and let you create your own character, after all.



Hahaha, that's funny. That was a good one.
Haven`t played many rpgs, have you?

Under your definition of what an RPG is sports games are RPGs. You can create your own character and they're chalk full of stats.

RPGs are more than that and if you were to ask a group of 10 people what makes up an RPG you would get a different answer from each other.

Modifié par challenger18, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:09 .

[Kais Endac]

Don't know if this has been said but I think one of the reasons for the player being human is the inclusion of the voice actor. In DAO and DA2 Dwarfs and Quanari generally have much deeper voices then Humans or Elves. With the player restricted to Human it allows the developers to focus on just two voice actors male and female.

Of course I could be wrong but I would assume that if there was a choice of races people would want a unique voice actor for each race that's just my opinion tho.

[septembervirgin]

I do not mind playing a human. I do not like the way some characters get up after death. I do hope this game offers more choices, a sandbox in effect, and respects player decision for the characters. I like the Kossith and the Qun. I like the way CRPG are becoming Grand Strategy CRPG, slowly and over time. Story-based gaming bores me usually speaking, since most stories are just not personalized the way a sandbox CRPG can truly offer. The greatest "human" element isn't in a story and won't remain in a story. The greatest human element will remain in the players who are human.

[The Uncanny]

mousestalker wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...
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Since when are elves not bland?

A common myth. Elves are not bland if properly prepared. Most go for a simple spit raosting, but elves generally lack the fat for that. Instead try braising your elf in chicken fat. A jalapeno, nut and bread stuffing will add a delightful bite to your braised city elf. For Dalish go with less fat, but season the stuffing liberally to ease its more gamey flavour. Some leves come enhanced with lyrium, a Tevinter innovation, it speeds up the whole cooking process tremendously at the cost of some added toughness.

The main thing is whether domestic or wild, elves need to be cleaned thoroughly. It's a tedious but vital step.

Now you know.

I'd advise trrying a squeeze of lemon. Daring, I know. But I think you may be pleasantly surprised. 

[Rawgrim]

Vandicus wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

People still have a choice..

Play WoW, plenty of racial choices, no background, crap story.

Play DA3, no racial choice, backgrounds of PC that influence story, great story.

Both RPGs. All you need to decide is what's important to you, vanity or story.

ME. Great story, no racial choice, background for the PC that has ZERO impact on the story.
Rpgs don`t equal watching a story through a movie. Thats an utter miss.

So KoToR is no longer an RPG? 

Where does it say that I feel Kotor isn`t an rpg? Try reading again. More slowly and more carefully. Smart thing to do. Might not end up jumping to conclusions so often.

[Bad King]

Human? Again?

www.youtube.com/watch

[Vandicus]

[quote]Rawgrim wrote...



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Off the top of my head(I've never even played as FHawke), Sebastian isn't romanceable as a male. 2nd exception to the rule.

Also your definition of rpg is hilariously broad. You actually just defined everything ranging from NBA2k12 to CoD as an RPG, since they only need character creation and stats.

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Now you are just being deliberatly dense. I never said character creation and stats were the ONLY traits of an rpg.

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ME has stats and character creation. Since your previous statements, you've continued to arbitrarily define what an rpg is.

[Rawgrim]

challenger18 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...




Action-Adventure Shooter. Rpgs have stats and let you create your own character, after all.



Hahaha, that's funny. That was a good one.
Haven`t played many rpgs, have you?

Under your definition of what an RPG is sports games are RPGs. You can create your own character and they're chalk full of stats.

RPGs are more than that and if you were to ask a group of 10 people what makes up an RPG you would get a different answer from each other.

Sports games lets you create personality traits? Religious beliefs (or lack of them), his or her sexuality, his or her political views? Damn. Fifa must be really deep this year.

[upsettingshorts]

Kais Endac wrote...

Don't know if this has been said but I think one of the reasons for the player being human is the inclusion of the voice actor

Voice acting is not a barrier to racial choice. 

[mousestalker]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...
snip

Since when are elves not bland?

A common myth. Elves are not bland if properly prepared. Most go for a simple spit raosting, but elves generally lack the fat for that. Instead try braising your elf in chicken fat. A jalapeno, nut and bread stuffing will add a delightful bite to your braised city elf. For Dalish go with less fat, but season the stuffing liberally to ease its more gamey flavour. Some leves come enhanced with lyrium, a Tevinter innovation, it speeds up the whole cooking process tremendously at the cost of some added toughness.

The main thing is whether domestic or wild, elves need to be cleaned thoroughly. It's a tedious but vital step.

Now you know.

Follow up question: if my elf has manage to get a large amount of lyrium in them, would it best to dry tut out, or leave it in for flavoring?

Oh definitely leave it in. Elf with lyrium is popular with both mages and templars, so if you want to have a reconciliation feast for both groups, invite them all and serve your lyrium enhanced elf. Just be aware that the faster cooking time requires closer attention at the finish so it isn't over done.

[Vandicus]

Rawgrim wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

People still have a choice..

Play WoW, plenty of racial choices, no background, crap story.

Play DA3, no racial choice, backgrounds of PC that influence story, great story.

Both RPGs. All you need to decide is what's important to you, vanity or story.

ME. Great story, no racial choice, background for the PC that has ZERO impact on the story.
Rpgs don`t equal watching a story through a movie. Thats an utter miss.

So KoToR is no longer an RPG? 

Where does it say that I feel Kotor isn`t an rpg? Try reading again. More slowly and more carefully. Smart thing to do. Might not end up jumping to conclusions so often.

ME is not an rpg because there is no racial chocie and the background has zero impact. KoToR likewise has no racial choice and the background has zero impact. At least be consistent in your application of your invented standards.

[Rawgrim]

[quote]Vandicus wrote...

[quote]Rawgrim wrote...



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Off the top of my head(I've never even played as FHawke), Sebastian isn't romanceable as a male. 2nd exception to the rule.

Also your definition of rpg is hilariously broad. You actually just defined everything ranging from NBA2k12 to CoD as an RPG, since they only need character creation and stats.

[/quote]

Now you are just being deliberatly dense. I never said character creation and stats were the ONLY traits of an rpg.

[/quote]

ME has stats and character creation. Since your previous statements, you've continued to arbitrarily define what an rpg is.

[/quote]

ME1 has. Correct. The second two don`t. Hence why I called ME3 an action adventure shooters. Since it has even less in common with an rpg.

[Terrorize69]

iakus wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

People still have a choice..

Play WoW, plenty of racial choices, no background, crap story.

Play DA3, no racial choice, backgrounds of PC that influence story, great story.

Both RPGs. All you need to decide is what's important to you, vanity or story.

I'd hold off on saying DA3 has a "great story" until we actually know what the story is.  Otherwise that's a good point.

True, I am assuming it will be great. Based on BW previous stories KoToR, ME etc, I'm assuming the trend of great stories continue.

[thebigbad1013]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Kais Endac wrote...

Don't know if this has been said but I think one of the reasons for the player being human is the inclusion of the voice actor

Voice acting is not a barrier to racial choice. 

Agreed. The only thing that could be a potential hold-up would be the cost of hiring more voice actors if they didn't want to use the same voice for all races.

[upsettingshorts]

Rawgrim wrote...

Sports games lets you create personality traits? Religious beliefs (or lack of them), his or her sexuality, his or her political views? Damn. Fifa must be really deep this year.

In order:

Yes, no, no, sort of if you count internal team politics.

But not every RPG lets you do this either. Pretty sure Geralt never slept with any dudes or debated theology.

Not to mention, plenty of previous BioWare games would fail several of these as well. So I'm not sure what your point is. You have a narrow idea of what RPGs are to you, that's fine, but BioWare is not obligated to share your opinion and neither am I.

bigbad1013 wrote...

Agreed. The only thing that could be a potential hold-up would be the cost of hiring more voice actors if they didn't want to use the same voice for all races.

But they'd probably just use the same voice for all races.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:15 .

[Rawgrim]

Vandicus wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

People still have a choice..

Play WoW, plenty of racial choices, no background, crap story.

Play DA3, no racial choice, backgrounds of PC that influence story, great story.

Both RPGs. All you need to decide is what's important to you, vanity or story.

ME. Great story, no racial choice, background for the PC that has ZERO impact on the story.
Rpgs don`t equal watching a story through a movie. Thats an utter miss.

So KoToR is no longer an RPG? 

Where does it say that I feel Kotor isn`t an rpg? Try reading again. More slowly and more carefully. Smart thing to do. Might not end up jumping to conclusions so often.

ME is not an rpg because there is no racial chocie and the background has zero impact. KoToR likewise has no racial choice and the background has zero impact. At least be consistent in your application of your invented standards.

Could it be I just used 2 examples, out of say...200, about why ME3 in particular isn`t an rpg?

[Vandicus]

[quote]Rawgrim wrote...

[quote]Vandicus wrote...

[quote]Rawgrim wrote...



[/quote]

Off the top of my head(I've never even played as FHawke), Sebastian isn't romanceable as a male. 2nd exception to the rule.

Also your definition of rpg is hilariously broad. You actually just defined everything ranging from NBA2k12 to CoD as an RPG, since they only need character creation and stats.

[/quote]

Now you are just being deliberatly dense. I never said character creation and stats were the ONLY traits of an rpg.

[/quote]

ME has stats and character creation. Since your previous statements, you've continued to arbitrarily define what an rpg is.

[/quote]

ME1 has. Correct. The second two don`t. Hence why I called ME3 an action adventure shooters. Since it has even less in common with an rpg.

[/quote]

The latter 2 do have stats.

[spirosz]

Here we go, what defines an RPG argument again, haha.

[Jerrybnsn]

Meltemph wrote...

Developers make the best games when they are making the game they wanted, and not a game to placate a fanbase, publisher, marketing, producer. We see crappy movies all the time that do this, pretty sure I dont want the game industry do it to(even though a lot of them already are). 

I agree.  Which is why DA2 sold less and was criticized for going against the Origins formula; race selection being one of the features removed.  Bioware made games they wanted to play, then something happened after EA bought them out. 

[Rawgrim]

[quote]Vandicus wrote...

[quote]Rawgrim wrote...

[quote]Vandicus wrote...

[quote]Rawgrim wrote...



[/quote]

Off the top of my head(I've never even played as FHawke), Sebastian isn't romanceable as a male. 2nd exception to the rule.

Also your definition of rpg is hilariously broad. You actually just defined everything ranging from NBA2k12 to CoD as an RPG, since they only need character creation and stats.

[/quote]

Now you are just being deliberatly dense. I never said character creation and stats were the ONLY traits of an rpg.

[/quote]

ME has stats and character creation. Since your previous statements, you've continued to arbitrarily define what an rpg is.

[/quote]

ME1 has. Correct. The second two don`t. Hence why I called ME3 an action adventure shooters. Since it has even less in common with an rpg.

[/quote]

The latter 2 do have stats.

[/quote]


ME 3 has 7 slots where you can increase how you do a certain type of damage. Those are more like feats\\perks. Not stats. Haven`t played many rpgs, have you?

[Vandicus]

Rawgrim wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

People still have a choice..

Play WoW, plenty of racial choices, no background, crap story.

Play DA3, no racial choice, backgrounds of PC that influence story, great story.

Both RPGs. All you need to decide is what's important to you, vanity or story.

ME. Great story, no racial choice, background for the PC that has ZERO impact on the story.
Rpgs don`t equal watching a story through a movie. Thats an utter miss.

So KoToR is no longer an RPG? 

Where does it say that I feel Kotor isn`t an rpg? Try reading again. More slowly and more carefully. Smart thing to do. Might not end up jumping to conclusions so often.

ME is not an rpg because there is no racial chocie and the background has zero impact. KoToR likewise has no racial choice and the background has zero impact. At least be consistent in your application of your invented standards.

Could it be I just used 2 examples, out of say...200, about why ME3 in particular isn`t an rpg?

DA:O is not an rpg. Its not an rpg because it doesn't have mounts. This is only 1 example of 10,000 that I could maybe possibly have, so I will refuse to address any rebuttals on this point and simply state DA:O is not an rpg.

[JWvonGoethe]

Rawgrim wrote...

You will also be playing a religious character. meaning you don`t even get to decide a major personality trait in your "own" character.

Take a look at this thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14199484&lf=8

What David Gaider said was that you could play as an atheist character in Origins. He also said that this (non-)belief system was indicated by a few dialogue options in game but was not fully supported. What he meant by it not being fully "supported" was that being an atheist did not affect the game plotwise (except on a few occasions, such as defiling Andraste's Ashes, presumably.)

He did not comment on DA3 (or even DA2.) I appreciate that many people would like to play as a character who brings down the chantry - I agree it would be great to choose to play as a character who wants to do that. However, he did not cite ideological grounds for excluding this option. With regards to playing as a militant secularist, he simply argued that it was impractical, stating only that "in order to make such a view supported we would need to provide a full path for such a stance."

PS when I started typing this reply, the topic was on page 2

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:19 .

[upsettingshorts]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Developers make the best games when they are making the game they wanted, and not a game to placate a fanbase, publisher, marketing, producer. We see crappy movies all the time that do this, pretty sure I dont want the game industry do it to(even though a lot of them already are). 

I agree.  Which is why DA2 sold less and was criticized for going against the Origins formula; race selection being one of the features removed.  Bioware made games they wanted to play, then something happened after EA bought them out. 

The part of this argument that amuses me the most is that it assumes BioWare doesn't want to make the games they're making.  It's such a self-serving assertion to make:  "They aren't doing things I like, so that must mean they agree with me yet are forced to make those decisions by someone else!"  

Perhaps the opposite is too hard to swallow?  That they're making games they want to make and you don't like them anymore.

[Rawgrim]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

You will also be playing a religious character. meaning you don`t even get to decide a major personality trait in your "own" character.

Take a look at this thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14199484&lf=8

What David Gaider said was that you could play as an atheist character in Origins. He also said that this (non-)belief system was indicated by a few dialogue options in game but was not fully supported. What he meant by it not being fully "supported" was that being an atheist did not affect the game plotwise (except on a few occasions, such as defiling Andraste's Ashes, presumably.)

He did not comment on DA3 (or even DA2.) I appreciate that many people would like to play as a character who brings down the chantry - I agree it would be great to choose to play as a character who wants to do that. However, he did not cite ideological grounds for excluding this option. With regards to playing as a militant secularist, he simply argued that it was impractical, stating only that "in order to make such a view supported we would need to provide a full path for such a stance."

PS when I started typing this reply, the topic was on page 2

Actually he has commented on DA3. He said we would be playing an andrastian human.