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[TheJediSaint]

Teddie Sage wrote...

TheDevian wrote...

Mike, a bit of advice, your tastes fit with a story based action game, not an RPG, go where you belong, because this isn't it. Quit harming the genre. The M. Knight of RPGs.

Mike Laidlaw isn't even part of the writing team. Your argument is invalid.

Not to mention patronizing and arrogant.

[Rawgrim]

Teddie Sage wrote...

TheDevian wrote...

Mike, a bit of advice, your tastes fit with a story based action game, not an RPG, go where you belong, because this isn't it. Quit harming the genre. The M. Knight of RPGs.

Mike Laidlaw isn't even part of the writing team. Your argument is invalid.

The writing team creates the story, not the gameplay. Its not like Laidlaw doesn`t have a big say in what the game looks like, and how it plays. The argument is very valid. Not saying I agree with the fellow, though.

[Teddie Sage]

Rawgrim wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

TheDevian wrote...

Mike, a bit of advice, your tastes fit with a story based action game, not an RPG, go where you belong, because this isn't it. Quit harming the genre. The M. Knight of RPGs.

Mike Laidlaw isn't even part of the writing team. Your argument is invalid.

The writing team creates the story, not the gameplay. Its not like Laidlaw doesn`t have a big say in what the game looks like, and how it plays. The argument is very valid. Not saying I agree with the fellow, though.

Still invalid. The writers decide how the story unfolds. He's not part of the writing team, he only makes decisions.

[Maclimes]

I don't understand the concept of people who think "BioWare is dead" or "DA3 will be terrible and I won't play it ever", but still hang around these boards and engage in discussion. I'm not saying you can't. It's a free country, or whatever.

I just don't understand WHY. If the franchise is dead to you... just move on. Go find something you like better, and get excited about that, instead of dwelling on the painful past. Find something to be happy about.

[Teddie Sage]

Maclimes wrote...

I just don't understand WHY. If the franchise is dead to you... just move on. Go find something you like better, and get excited about that, instead of dwelling on the painful past. Find something to be happy about.

Simple answer: people love to whine. It makes them feel worthy.

[TheJediSaint]

Maclimes wrote...

I don't understand the concept of people who think "BioWare is dead" or "DA3 will be terrible and I won't play it ever", but still hang around these boards and engage in discussion. I'm not saying you can't. It's a free country, or whatever.

I just don't understand WHY. If the franchise is dead to you... just move on. Go find something you like better, and get excited about that, instead of dwelling on the painful past. Find something to be happy about.

*/golf clap*

[Rawgrim]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

TheDevian wrote...

Mike, a bit of advice, your tastes fit with a story based action game, not an RPG, go where you belong, because this isn't it. Quit harming the genre. The M. Knight of RPGs.

Mike Laidlaw isn't even part of the writing team. Your argument is invalid.

The writing team creates the story, not the gameplay. Its not like Laidlaw doesn`t have a big say in what the game looks like, and how it plays. The argument is very valid. Not saying I agree with the fellow, though.

Still invalid. The writers decide how the story unfolds. He's not part of the writing team, he only makes decisions.

If the lead designer pushes the game towards an action game, instead of an RPG, the point IS valid. If everything between the cutscenes and dialogues is hack and slash and button mashing, its and action game with dialogue.

[ianvillan]

TheDevian wrote...

Mike, a bit of advice, your tastes fit with a story based action game, not an RPG, go where you belong, because this isn't it. Quit harming the genre. The M. Knight of RPGs.

Ja!

I may be wrong but believe Mike Laidlaw was one of the ones in charge of Jade Empire which I think was a great RPG game that I enjoyed playing and wish there was a sequel to.

Now I did not enjoy DA2 and think it had lots of problems which may of been Mikes decision or may not have but Mike Laidlaw is still a really good game developer who is able to make games that can improve the RPG genre.

[TheJediSaint]

Oh boy, I sense an oncoming argument about "what's and RPG?" coming on. Best put on my goggles.

[JuGonzo]

marshalleck wrote...


If you deleted the dwarf and elf character models from the game and replaced them with human models, would it ever seem even the slightest bit odd? I don't think so; their cultures, while distinct from other nations of Thedas, are not distinctly non-human. Does that make sense? And while the same could be said of the kossith to a certain degree, there is much about them that does not lead us to easily identify with them.

Friend.

We do NOT know any non-human culture.

Of corse dwarves and elves are not distinctly non-human. Even the qunari has human references. It's impossible think a total7y non-human culture. 

[Maclimes]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Oh boy, I sense an oncoming argument about "what's and RPG?" coming on. Best put on my goggles.

There needs to be a new corallary of Godwin's law, regarding the topic of "What is an RPG?" on the BSN boards. Once that happens, the likelihood of that thread continuing without a lockdown drops significantly. (I used to think it drops to 0%, but Allan made a fool of me last time I mentioned that, so I'll just say "very low chance of survival, but not impossible" this time.)

[LobselVith8]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Fair enough. On a more important note, will the protag have a French accent?

I wonder where the protagonist might be from. We've already had two protagonists from Ferelden. Gaider said in the atheist thread that the protagonist wouldn't be forced to work for the Chantry or worship the Maker, so it's possible the protagonist may not originate from the birthplace of the Andrastian Chantry. Maybe Nevarra? Or it could vary depending on our class.

[Maclimes]

LobselVith8 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Fair enough. On a more important note, will the protag have a French accent?

I wonder where the protagonist might be from. We've already had two protagonists from Ferelden. Gaider said in the atheist thread that the protagonist wouldn't be forced to work for the Chantry or worship the Maker, so it's possible the protagonist may not originate from the birthplace of the Andrastian Chantry. Maybe Nevarra? Or it could vary depending on our class.

Although I doubt it, because of the resources involved, it's possible that the accent/voice will be connected to the background choice.

[Fast Jimmy]

JuGonzo wrote...

marshalleck wrote...


If you deleted the dwarf and elf character models from the game and replaced them with human models, would it ever seem even the slightest bit odd? I don't think so; their cultures, while distinct from other nations of Thedas, are not distinctly non-human. Does that make sense? And while the same could be said of the kossith to a certain degree, there is much about them that does not lead us to easily identify with them.

Friend.

We do NOT know any non-human culture.

Of corse dwarves and elves are not distinctly non-human. Even the qunari has human references. It's impossible think a total7y non-human culture. 

Welll... I wouldn't say IMPOSSIBLE. I've seen fiction writers address other cultures from alien worlds in ways that don't make sense at all in our eyes, because they are based off a completely foreign thought process. 

But I agree, its difficult to do and the other races in DA seem to be extremely derivative of human culture, while at the same time being quite different than the other human cultures in Thedas.

[Maclimes]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Welll... I wouldn't say IMPOSSIBLE. I've seen fiction writers address other cultures from alien worlds in ways that don't make sense at all in our eyes, because they are based off a completely foreign thought process. 

But I agree, its difficult to do and the other races in DA seem to be extremely derivative of human culture, while at the same time being quite different than the other human cultures in Thedas.

That's because the races themselves are derivative of humans. We're not talking about a race of 6-limbed energy beings who developed on a methane-rich ice world with a blue sun and heavy gravity, with no communication with other sapient species. We're talking about short, stocky humans (or skinny pointy-eared humans, or tall horned humans) whose culture developed alongside their neighbors.

Yes, there are some differences. But they are basically just variations on humanity, both culturally and physically. Their cultures evolved alongside the humans, so it's no surprise that they would have some similarities. Alien cultures evolved with no contact with humanity, and that's why they are so different.

Any two cultures that grow for a long period of time with steady contact amongst each other will start to incorporate each other's cultures.

Modifié par Maclimes, 26 octobre 2012 - 05:29 .

[freche]

No surprise really, most people prefer human characters. So unless we had a racial choice it was kind of obvious that the main character would be human.

[Maria Caliban]

marshalleck wrote...

Is Leliana's accent real? I thought I heard it was conceived by the actress as a mix of french and the queen's english. Not that such an accent would be, err, unreal, but hopefully you know what I mean.

The actress was a French woman living in London. It was close to her 'natural' accent.

Teddie Sage wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

TheDevian wrote...

Mike, a bit of advice, your tastes fit with a story based action game, not an RPG, go where you belong, because this isn't it. Quit harming the genre. The M. Knight of RPGs.

Mike Laidlaw isn't even part of the writing team. Your argument is invalid.

The writing team creates the story, not the gameplay. Its not like Laidlaw doesn`t have a big say in what the game looks like, and how it plays. The argument is very valid. Not saying I agree with the fellow, though.

Still invalid. The writers decide how the story unfolds. He's not part of the writing team, he only makes decisions.

Mike is David's boss. Yes, he makes decisions about the story. But the big boss is Mark Darrah, he makes decisions about the everything.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 26 octobre 2012 - 05:33 .

[ioannisdenton]

I pick human most times so don t care much.
Prefer having origins than different races if there ever was such a dilleima.

[zyntifox]

Teddie Sage wrote...

TheDevian wrote...

Mike, a bit of advice, your tastes fit with a story based action game, not an RPG, go where you belong, because this isn't it. Quit harming the genre. The M. Knight of RPGs.

Mike Laidlaw isn't even part of the writing team. Your argument is invalid.

Don't think he is talking about writing there...

[zyntifox]

Maclimes wrote...

I don't understand the concept of people who think "BioWare is dead" or "DA3 will be terrible and I won't play it ever", but still hang around these boards and engage in discussion. I'm not saying you can't. It's a free country, or whatever.

I just don't understand WHY. If the franchise is dead to you... just move on. Go find something you like better, and get excited about that, instead of dwelling on the painful past. Find something to be happy about.

While i don't consider Bioware dead or that DA3 will be terrible (it might be the best game ever in it's genre for all i know) i won't be purchasing DA3. I just find it sad to see a franchise that could have becomed the next BG series being turned into something it originaly was not.

I am happy for you guys (i really am) who do like the new direction of this franchise and i don't want to take it away from you. It's just a shame that they did not create a new franchise with this direction while still keeping original formula since there seems to be a demand for both types of games.

[labargegrrrl]

Beerfish wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...



What about games that give the option of humans, elves, dwarves, etc. like DA:O did though? And, to point something out, DA2 had JUST a human protagionist...

And we all see how well THAT went.

Oh come on, that was a silly thing to say.  The fact that your race was human in DA2 had pretty well ZERO to do with the foibles of DA2.  If a person wants to make an argument that they prefer a variation in sex and race fine but at least bring reasonable arguements to the table.

i'm going to have to agree with that.  i almost didn't buy da2 because of the lack of a race option, but the demo proved to me that it could still be a great game without it.  and, for the most part, it was.  i'm glad i remained open-minded enough to enjoy it without that choice.  

personally, i think repeating dungeons and some of the forced plot decisions due to the framed narrative were much, much more problamatic in terms of that game than the lack of pc race choice.  i still say that game could have been done WITH that choice in tact, but it wasn't da2's biggest flaw.

there are plenty of good arguments for bringing back that choice, but the fact that some of the old school fans didn't like da2 overall isn't one of them.

[Vicious]

i won't be purchasing DA3.

If your decision is already made then your input is less than meaningless.

[silentassassin264]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

TheDevian wrote...

Mike, a bit of advice, your tastes fit with a story based action game, not an RPG, go where you belong, because this isn't it. Quit harming the genre. The M. Knight of RPGs.

Mike Laidlaw isn't even part of the writing team. Your argument is invalid.

The writing team creates the story, not the gameplay. Its not like Laidlaw doesn`t have a big say in what the game looks like, and how it plays. The argument is very valid. Not saying I agree with the fellow, though.

Still invalid. The writers decide how the story unfolds. He's not part of the writing team, he only makes decisions.

Lol, no they don't.  Look at ME3 if you need any evidence.

[zyntifox]

Vicious wrote...

i won't be purchasing DA3.

If your decision is already made then your input is less than meaningless.

Why is that? So if i would have already made a decision to buy it would it be meaningless as well? Just because someone have already made a decision whether to purchase a product or not does not make the input any less meaningful. The context of the input determines the value of the input.

[Allan Schumacher]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Now see, this is what I meant and it was my favourite part of DA:O. Killing Howe as a Noble Human felt MUCH more satisfying than killing him as say, a Mage or an Elf. Just like denying Bhelen the throne as the Dwarf Noble was satisfying too.

I agree.  In this sense, I think we'll need to do something different in terms of the application of the backgrounds, since trying to convey those types of personal things don't come across as well.