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[marshalleck]

LobselVith8 wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

I was wondering:

It's too late to Bioware change their minds?

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Bioware will accommodate racial options in Inquisition. Origins may be the only time we get racial options in Dragon Age, given the direction of the franchise.

Makes sense considering how few people played the non-human origins.

[Spankoman]

marshalleck wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

I was wondering:

It's too late to Bioware change their minds?

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Bioware will accommodate racial options in Inquisition. Origins may be the only time we get racial options in Dragon Age, given the direction of the franchise.

Makes sense considering how few people played the non-human origins.

What are you basing that on?

[Il Divo]

Spankoman wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

I was wondering:

It's too late to Bioware change their minds?

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Bioware will accommodate racial options in Inquisition. Origins may be the only time we get racial options in Dragon Age, given the direction of the franchise.

Makes sense considering how few people played the non-human origins.

What are you basing that on?

I think it was through Bioware's online features. I remember a statistic saying something like only 5% of players actually played as a Dwarf, which is also consistent with other games like WoW. Last I remember, which was admittedly years ago, humans were the most popular race to play.

[LobselVith8]

Huntress wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

They locked my topic because it was more persuasive about the lack of races. Cowards.

It's decided: I will boycott DA3.

Bioware = Losers

They aren't gonna change a thing thats why they made this post for people to vent and get use to the idea of humans only in da3, in this way people who like me, aren't fan of been forced to be Inquisitor is shoot down mercilessly by other players, leaving Bioware out of the picture when they are the cause of the disagreement. 
exemple:
I start asking not to be forced to play as Inquisitor [/u]while everyone also talks about how good[/b] they feel with Human as hero.[/b]. see where am going? is kinda funny:mellow:


Something similar occur in ME3 forum Casey hudson post: name the person so many people focus anger into a constructive post full of new ideas and.. what that word they used to describe ME3 ending.. oh yes! Art. 

Yeah, it's frustrated a lot of people that racial options won't be implemented. I think some people who prefer human to playing as another race could care less, but not everyone in this thread is like that. There's been quite a few civil people do far. I  think it's unfortunate that we will only get a human protagonist, since I'm not really a fan of the Andrastian human protagonists we have gotten from Dragon Age so far. The developers pre-defined quite a bit of Hawke, and the paraphrasing and auto-lines contributed to my disappointment. I preferred my atheist, proactive Surana to the religiously Andrastian and overly passive Hawke.

[Novate]

There is a huge problem with Dragon Age 3 having only 1 Human Protagonist, this decision destroys any moral and racial perspectives that other races provide for the game world. One of the most captivating aspects of DA:O was its political conflict and racial issues. It was down played to a certain degree in DA:O that I had hoped was disgussed more in detail in DA2. And since DA2 didn't reach my expectations, I was hoping DA3 was gonna explore it more in depth. 

Its a shame really, I played DA:O not as an adventure , Action game, I played it as an RPG, playing a role, looking at the world through my character's eyes, understanding that no one is created equal in this dark world, where there are wrongs that I can make right.  

It just seems that Bioware is starting to lose its narrative strong points, and instead will be focusing on making Action games, and FPS. 

DA:O started with you as a normal Person, that was thrown into events that shaped your character and personality. You were an unknown at first, but because of your involvement, suddenly the world is revolving around you, the world is now changing based on your decisions. I think Bioware is starting to forget it, and is now focusing on the Actions instead of Political and Social Dillema.

That is also the reason why I like Game of Thrones, not alot of action, but lots of scheming, and plotting. If they can put those in, it will make Dragon Age 3 great.

[marshalleck]

Spankoman wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

I was wondering:

It's too late to Bioware change their minds?

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Bioware will accommodate racial options in Inquisition. Origins may be the only time we get racial options in Dragon Age, given the direction of the franchise.

Makes sense considering how few people played the non-human origins.

What are you basing that on?

Comments direct from Bioware's DA staff:  ~15% started elf origins (didn't necessarily finish) and 5% dwarves. 80% went with human

Figures are approximated, not exact

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:40 .

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

Guys, i am not pleased about the lack of racial choice but i get it and accept it. The thing that you people understand is that, like writers in other media, the developers have a story they want to tell. This story was thought up way before the started production of the actual game, maybe from the start of DAO. The game developers have to take that story and built the game around it not the other way around. So they will add a system like a race options for cc only if it fits the story the have to work with. Think about it in the idea of DA3 and lore of DA: Inquisitors are part of the chantry which is a human organisation so it is unlikely for elves, dwarves to be a part of it. Therefore the idea of the protagonist being of race other than human is not possible unless the change the story. One could say change the story to allow race options but the fact of the matter is when compared to the entire game, an extra choice in the character creatore is minor compared to the game's story. That is how the developers see it and agree with that view.

Modifié par steph285, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:51 .

[Spankoman]

marshalleck wrote...

Spankoman wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

I was wondering:

It's too late to Bioware change their minds?

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Bioware will accommodate racial options in Inquisition. Origins may be the only time we get racial options in Dragon Age, given the direction of the franchise.

Makes sense considering how few people played the non-human origins.

What are you basing that on?

Comments direct from Bioware's DA staff:  ~15% started elf origins (didn't necessarily finish) and 5% dwarves. 80% went with human

Figures are approximated, not exact

Approximate is good enough. I'm astonished to learn that, though. Maybe I shouldn't be.

[ShadyKat]

Not really a surprise, or shock at all. Was hoping for the option to play a dwarf, but oh well. Just hoping for a cool dwarf companion to hang out with (or even romance).

[Terrorize69]

Spankoman wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Spankoman wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

I was wondering:

It's too late to Bioware change their minds?

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Bioware will accommodate racial options in Inquisition. Origins may be the only time we get racial options in Dragon Age, given the direction of the franchise.

Makes sense considering how few people played the non-human origins.

What are you basing that on?

Comments direct from Bioware's DA staff:  ~15% started elf origins (didn't necessarily finish) and 5% dwarves. 80% went with human

Figures are approximated, not exact

Approximate is good enough. I'm astonished to learn that, though. Maybe I shouldn't be.

In the next DA game with races, people will know to make lots and lots of non-human alts and upload them to DA server

[ShadyKat]

Btw, Bioware also released the stats for ME1 right before ME2 launched. The results were that less than 25% of people played as female Shep, and around 80% played as a soldier. Fem Shep, and the other classes were not removed in the sequels, because it would has still ticked off a lot of people.

[Huntress]

Spankoman wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Comments direct from Bioware's DA staff:  ~15% started elf origins (didn't necessarily finish) and 5% dwarves. 80% went with human

Figures are approximated, not exact

Approximate is good enough. I'm astonished to learn that, though. Maybe I shouldn't be.

The problem was that human noble fited the story by  99%, Arl Howe's "late" men seize the castle kill the cousland at the end the Warden Human noble has a chance to confront and kill Howe guy, kill loghain because Couland family is second to the throne and he already betrayed a King and well another reason not to like Loghain is because he killed the king before it could bring Howe's to justice.

now think of a dwarf,  Dalish elf..  pff none of them give  a thought about cousland family been killed by Howes or who is Howe's? another human who wants power.. nothing new to them, all they knows is that Howe's work for Loghain and Loghain wants Warden's head.

If the warden is a City elf then you get the other rich guy who crashed the wedding again howe's has nothing to do with it and you can kill the offender early in the game.

So yeah players get more satisfaction out of Warden Human noble story.. after all is the only one who can become King or Queen of Ferelden if wanted.

I did like Human Noble because of all that and like to play dalish elf  because of how Thedas sees elves in general, playing as a dalish Warden made me take a closer look to the suffering of the mages, I converted from Warden's to pro-mage after that.

[Nerevar-as]

marshalleck wrote...

Spankoman wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

JuGonzo wrote...

I was wondering:

It's too late to Bioware change their minds?

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Bioware will accommodate racial options in Inquisition. Origins may be the only time we get racial options in Dragon Age, given the direction of the franchise.

Makes sense considering how few people played the non-human origins.

What are you basing that on?

Comments direct from Bioware's DA staff:  ~15% started elf origins (didn't necessarily finish) and 5% dwarves. 80% went with human

Figures are approximated, not exact

I think the estimated sales of Origins were 3.5m. So 20% of that would be 700k players. That´s a lot of people.

[Allan Schumacher]

I'd go away from the statistics. The statistics also give an indication that people may be inclined to just pick the default options, so it's not necessarily authoritative.

As for the 700k players, it's also hard to determine whether or not they would have skipped on the game altogether had there not been racial choice. I'm sure some would have, but how many?


The issue starts to come down to, if the story you want to tell makes the most sense with a fixed player race, which race would be the best one to utilize?

[marshalleck]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I think the estimated sales of Origins were 3.5m. So 20% of that would be 700k players. That´s a lot of people.

Most of whom will still buy DA3 regardless, despite their public protests. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 octobre 2012 - 08:22 .

[marshalleck]

Huntress wrote...
The problem was that human noble fited the story by  99%, Arl Howe's "late" men seize the castle kill the cousland at the end the Warden Human noble has a chance to confront and kill Howe guy, kill loghain because Couland family is second to the throne and he already betrayed a King and well another reason not to like Loghain is because he killed the king before it could bring Howe's to justice.

That's not a "problem" though. It's the obvious advantage of being able to tailor the whole game's story and reactivity to a partially constructed character; the players can define the rest through their decisions and whatnot. It's why establishing the protagonist early is the right step for Bioware to take. If they opened it up to all manner of dwarves and elves then the writers would be forced to write a thin, catch-all narrative that can apply to anyone. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 octobre 2012 - 08:18 .

[Rawgrim]

[/quote]

I think the estimated sales of Origins were 3.5m. So 20% of that would be 700k players. That´s a lot of people.

[/quote] Most of whom will still buy DA3 regardless, despite their public protests. 
[/quote]

Still...how many will pre-order the game this time, though?

[marshalleck]

Rawgrim wrote...

Still...how many will pre-order the game this time, though?

That has very little to do with the availability of playable non-human races. It's going to be a function of people's overall residual feeling from DA2, and how intelligently Bioware market DA3. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 octobre 2012 - 08:20 .

[challenger18]

Rawgrim wrote...

Still...how many will pre-order the game this time, though?

I doubt it would be the same amount, still, it would be safe to assume the bulk of those who liked to play as human may not be turned off that they will be able to play as a human in DA3.

Modifié par challenger18, 27 octobre 2012 - 08:21 .

[Rawgrim]

marshalleck wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Still...how many will pre-order the game this time, though?

That has very little to do with the availability of playable non-human races. It's going to be a function of people's overall residual feeling from DA2, and how intelligently Bioware market DA3. 

Several people I know won`t be pre-ordering this time. the reason for this was that they would have to play as a human, yet again. Its only 4-5 people, though. But the lack of races was the reason for it.

[marshalleck]

Rawgrim wrote...


Several people I know won`t be pre-ordering this time. the reason for this was that they would have to play as a human, yet again. Its only 4-5 people, though. But the lack of races was the reason for it.

So they say. We'll see what happens when Bioware start showing off more of the game. 

[Rawgrim]

challenger18 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Still...how many will pre-order the game this time, though?

I doubt it would be the same amount, still, it would be safe to assume the bulk of those who liked to play as human may not be turned off that they will be able to play as a human in DA3.

Quite right. But i think the limitations when it comes to replaying the game might be a factor too.

[Rawgrim]

marshalleck wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Several people I know won`t be pre-ordering this time. the reason for this was that they would have to play as a human, yet again. Its only 4-5 people, though. But the lack of races was the reason for it.

So they say. We'll see what happens when Bioware start showing off more of the game. 

Absolutely. i am still on the fence when it comes to this game. Paying 500 kroners (about 100 dollers) for a brand new game with very limited replay vallue is rather expensive. (Stuff is really expensive up here in Norway).

[ShadyKat]

Don't presume too much marshalleck. Many people are on the fence with this game.

[David Gaider]

Rawgrim wrote...
Several people I know won`t be pre-ordering this time. the reason for this was that they would have to play as a human, yet again. Its only 4-5 people, though. But the lack of races was the reason for it.

Good thing you've no need to make that determination yet, as you can't actually pre-order the game.  Once it's announced, then you'll be able to see what we've done and where our resources have gone. If that works for you, then great. If missing the other races can't possibly be made up for by anything else, and it was the only thing that added value for you, then consider yourself duly informed. DA3 won't be for everyone, regardless of what we do.