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[goofyomnivore]

Oddly for me Geralt felt like a more personal character than Hawke. And I'm not really a big fan of Geralt. Hawke had potential, but was wasted with poor motives and setting given to him. I just couldn't ever connect to him and feel anything for him, Kirkwall or his friends. Dragon Age 2 really felt like it should of been a book rather than an RPG game. I think it was a good story but in the wrong media.

The Witcher 2 has some excellent characters. Geralt and Triss are two of the worst though, but are probably the two most popular. Letho was the star of The Witcher 2.

Modifié par strive, 29 octobre 2012 - 06:55 .

[DreamwareStudio]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I finished The Witcher and bought TW2, but unfortunately I never finished TW2 because Geralt's such a bland boring bastard and all the characters are much the same, rendering me incapable of caring what happens to any of them even if I like the gameplay. Looking forward to Cyberpunk to see what that studio does with something that's hopefully not as generic as TW, at least in my opinion.

I don't see a point in comparing the two franchises as if you have to like one or the other (Actually, I do: I LIKE RED. BLUE SUCKS.), if I like both games I'll buy both games and I'll be glad I have double the games rather than all the games being exactly alike.

How are the characters in Witcher 2 generic?

That's what I'm wondering. Nearly every character in TW 2 is rich in depth and personality...except Geralt of course but he's kind of blank slate because he's the PC.

[DreamwareStudio]

strive wrote...

Oddly for me Geralt felt like a more personal character than Hawke. And I'm not really a big fan of Geralt. Hawke had potential, but was wasted with poor motives and setting given to him. I just couldn't ever connect to him and feel anything for him, Kirkwall or his friends. Dragon Age 2 really felt like it should of been a book rather than an RPG game. I think it was a good story but in the wrong media.

The Witcher 2 has some excellent characters. Geralt and Triss are two of the worst though, but are probably the two most popular. Letho was the star of The Witcher 2.

I never connected with Hawke, quite possibly one of the worst PCs in any game...period. I would have said RPG, but DA 2 is not an RPG in my mind. Don't get me started on the NPCs in that game. I agree with you in part about the wrong media in regards to DA 2 but a lot of that story was...meh.

As for Geralt, I find him sort of fascinating even if his conversation is a little bland. He feels like my character. A lot of that has to do with the choices you make and how they effect him and his world.

I rather like Triss. When I first started playing TW 2 I was a little miffed because in TW 1 I chose Shani. After a bit, though, I became glad they stuck more with the stories on which the Witcher series is based in relation to her. I wish she were a playable character. The same is true of Letho and Ves. Loved both of them. Same is true of Iorveth and Roche. There were some AWESOME characters throughout TW 2.

Modifié par google_calasade, 29 octobre 2012 - 05:18 .

[zyntifox]

Ironic Discordia wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Ironic Discordia wrote...

If the story being told necessitates that I play a human character, so be it.

Well, it depends if the story being told really necessitates it. The devs have already cited things like cost of creating models and unpopularity of non-humans according to their metrics of DAO.

Does anyone really believe the primary reason we can't have races is because they have such an amazing story idea that requires you to be human and they couldn't possibly think of a way to make something awesome for other playable races?

The point that's been made is that it costs extra time and money for them to develop additional content that would be needed to make race more than a cosmetic choice. Consider DA:O; the differences experienced had less to do with race and more to do with whatever plot got that character to Ostagar. It didn't matter that the Warden was an elf, human, or dwarf in the overall scheme of things and earned only passing remarks from most characters. The significant difference was the human noble knowing that Arl Howe had betrayed and murdered their family and getting to kill him, the city elf getting killing Bann Vaughn and catalysing the unrest in the Alienage (or being bought off and betraying Soris), etc. The story was the important part, not what the character looked like.

If people want different races for purely cosmetic reasons, that's different. For me, there's not a lot of appeal in playing another race just for the sake of looking different. In that case, sure, they could probably cut corners, change small bits of dialogue, and make the character look however they wanted. But where's the reward in that? For race options to really matter, to me at least, it should affect plot and dialogue to some degree. There should be something that validates that choice being there.

At this point, we know next to nothing about the story they're trying to tell. Maybe there was room for race options, maybe not. I don't see the point in getting worked up over something there's so little solid information on.

For me wanting multiple races has never been about the game acknowleding that i am non-human. Neither is it about cosmetic reasons. For me it is pure roleplaying reasons. What race the character i am playing will affect how he/she will make decisions during the game.

[Drasanil]

Cstaf wrote...

For me wanting multiple races has never been about the game acknowleding that i am non-human. Neither is it about cosmetic reasons. For me it is pure roleplaying reasons. What race the character i am playing will affect how he/she will make decisions during the game.

But... but... how dare you... Bioware said....this doesn't make sense... you can't possibly just roleplay a different race or make those relevant choices like if you have your own interpretation of a character! You need to have Bioware's express permission and guidance to sort through those sorts of infinitely complexe not to mention counter intuitive and likely confusing permutations. Unfortunately,  including all that special stuff (ie: a few extra lines of dialogue and a couple of camera angle adjustments) would just cost too much "oppurtunity".

I'm so confused now, some one suggested I could use my own imagination to fill in the gaps!? If I don't get spoon fed what I'm supposed to do by Hawke facsimile #3974 I may just get an aneurism. Please Bioware help me:( 

[SpunkyMonkey]

google_calasade wrote...

I never connected with Hawke, quite possibly one of the worst PCs in any game...period. I would have said RPG, but DA 2 is not an RPG in my mind. Don't get me started on the NPCs in that game. I agree with you in part about the wrong media in regards to DA 2 but a lot of that story was...meh.

As for Geralt, I find him sort of fascinating even if his conversation is a little bland. He feels like my character. A lot of that has to do with the choices you make and how they effect him and his world.

I rather like Triss. When I first started playing TW 2 I was a little miffed because in TW 1 I chose Shani. After a bit, though, I became glad they stuck more with the stories on which the Witcher series is based in relation to her. I wish she were a playable character. The same is true of Letho and Ves. Loved both of them.

Agreed. Hawke's character just felt so out of place. If you switched between the humorous dialogue option and good option it often felt as if you were playing two entirely different characters.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 29 octobre 2012 - 11:41 .

[Salaya]

Maybe it's possible to deliver a great fixed Main Character, but seeing how Bioware tried to do so in DA2, makes me fear the worst; you know, remembering how the mother issue was *ahem* treated... one of the most ridiculous moments from DA2. And the sad thing is that it was supposed to be dramatic.

[Bernhardtbr]

strive wrote...

Oddly for me Geralt felt like a more personal character than Hawke. And I'm not really a big fan of Geralt. Hawke had potential, but was wasted with poor motives and setting given to him. I just couldn't ever connect to him and feel anything for him, Kirkwall or his friends. Dragon Age 2 really felt like it should of been a book rather than an RPG game. I think it was a good story but in the wrong media.

The Witcher 2 has some excellent characters. Geralt and Triss are two of the worst though, but are probably the two most popular. Letho was the star of The Witcher 2.

Actually I´ve liked more Iorveth and specially Roche, but to be honest there were few bad secondary characters.  

Returning to topic, I think the developers decision is VERY dubious, and through no one wants DA: Elder Scrolls, character customization was always a great factor for the replayability of ANY Bioware game. Yes Planescape Torment wasn´t that customizable but the main character was SO interesting that it wasn´t really necessary - and I really dunno Bioware can create such a good character again.

Modifié par Bernhardtbr, 29 octobre 2012 - 01:55 .

[Il Divo]

Bernhardtbr wrote...

strive wrote...

Oddly for me Geralt felt like a more personal character than Hawke. And I'm not really a big fan of Geralt. Hawke had potential, but was wasted with poor motives and setting given to him. I just couldn't ever connect to him and feel anything for him, Kirkwall or his friends. Dragon Age 2 really felt like it should of been a book rather than an RPG game. I think it was a good story but in the wrong media.

The Witcher 2 has some excellent characters. Geralt and Triss are two of the worst though, but are probably the two most popular. Letho was the star of The Witcher 2.

Actually I´ve liked more Iorveth and specially Roche, but to be honest there were few bad secondary characters.  

Returning to topic, I think the developers decision is VERY dubious, and through no one wants DA: Elder Scrolls, character customization was always a great factor for the replayability of ANY Bioware game. Yes Planescape Torment wasn´t that customizable but the main character was SO interesting that it wasn´t really necessary - and I really dunno Bioware can create such a good character again.

Just pointing out: Black Isle made Planescape Torment, not Bioware.

[Bernhardtbr]

Thanks forgot about that but I think everyone understood what I´ve meant. BTW how many BIoware employees are from Black Isle?

[Il Divo]

Bernhardtbr wrote...

Thanks forgot about that but I think everyone understood what I´ve meant. BTW how many BIoware employees are from Black Isle?

Off the top of my head, no idea. But the two worked together pretty closely back in the isometric days. A good number of Black Isle employees (best one: Chris Avellone) did stay on when Obsidion was formed.

[Atakuma]

google_calasade wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I finished The Witcher and bought TW2, but unfortunately I never finished TW2 because Geralt's such a bland boring bastard and all the characters are much the same, rendering me incapable of caring what happens to any of them even if I like the gameplay. Looking forward to Cyberpunk to see what that studio does with something that's hopefully not as generic as TW, at least in my opinion.

I don't see a point in comparing the two franchises as if you have to like one or the other (Actually, I do: I LIKE RED. BLUE SUCKS.), if I like both games I'll buy both games and I'll be glad I have double the games rather than all the games being exactly alike.

How are the characters in Witcher 2 generic?

That's what I'm wondering. Nearly every character in TW 2 is rich in depth and personality...except Geralt of course but he's kind of blank slate because he's the PC.

Geralt isn't a blank slate, he's just an awful character with a terrible voice actor.

[Nerevar-as]

Atakuma wrote...

Geralt isn't a blank slate, he's just an awful character with a terrible voice actor.

I wonder what you consider a good character, considering how nuanced and layered Geralt is. No idea about VO, I play in Polish with subtitles.

[Atakuma]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Geralt isn't a blank slate, he's just an awful character with a terrible voice actor.

I wonder what you consider a good character, considering how nuanced and layered Geralt is. No idea about VO, I play in Polish with subtitles.

I'm talking purely about the games here as I've never read the books. Video game Geralt has all the nuance of a turnip.

[AlanC9]

Il Divo wrote...

Bernhardtbr wrote...

Thanks forgot about that but I think everyone understood what I´ve meant. BTW how many BIoware employees are from Black Isle?

Off the top of my head, no idea. But the two worked together pretty closely back in the isometric days. A good number of Black Isle employees (best one: Chris Avellone) did stay on when Obsidion was formed.

Browsing the credits on Mobygames I didn't see anyone, though a couple were at Bio in the NWN era. Though a couple of the PS:T voice cast turned up in ME.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

You can only play DA2 as 3 different characters. "Funny, Mean or Kind". None of these options has any effect on the game whatsoevers. they only affect the tone of the conversations, all of wich leads to the excact same ending of the game.

I have replayed the original Half-Life 4 separate times.  The playthrough for this game is identical.

People replay stuff because they enjoy the experience.

Attempting to hand wave that other people have replayed DA2 and attempting to undermine their satisfaction for doing so gets you no where.

That is very true.
I played every Bioware game since KOTOR at least 20 times each and still enjoy them all. Hell I have watched the 1986 animated The Transformers: The Movie to the point where I can literally quote every single line of dialoge from the movie and I still enjoy it.  

[General User]

I think that Morrigan's OGB would, hands down, make the most interesting possible protagonist. And logically the OGB would be human (in body anyway), and most likely female too.

[Nerevar-as]

General User wrote...

I think that Morrigan's OGB would, hands down, make the most interesting possible protagonist. And logically the OGB would be human (in body anyway), and most likely female too.

In Witch Hunt the OGB was confirmed as a boy.

[Maclimes]

General User wrote...

I think that Morrigan's OGB would, hands down, make the most interesting possible protagonist. And logically the OGB would be human (in body anyway), and most likely female too.

Actually, when you talk to Morrigan in Witch Hunt after having performed the Dark Ritual, she confirms the child is male. Not that they can't retcon it or something, but it's there.

However, Gaider has specifically stated that if the player did not perform the Dark Ritual (or allow Loghain or Alistair to do so), then there is no OGB. They will not be forcing it in. 

[Allan Schumacher]

Drasanil wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

For me wanting multiple races has never been about the game acknowleding that i am non-human. Neither is it about cosmetic reasons. For me it is pure roleplaying reasons. What race the character i am playing will affect how he/she will make decisions during the game.

But... but... how dare you... Bioware said....this doesn't make sense... you can't possibly just roleplay a different race or make those relevant choices like if you have your own interpretation of a character! You need to have Bioware's express permission and guidance to sort through those sorts of infinitely complexe not to mention counter intuitive and likely confusing permutations. Unfortunately,  including all that special stuff (ie: a few extra lines of dialogue and a couple of camera angle adjustments) would just cost too much "oppurtunity".

I'm so confused now, some one suggested I could use my own imagination to fill in the gaps!? If I don't get spoon fed what I'm supposed to do by Hawke facsimile #3974 I may just get an aneurism. Please Bioware help me:( 

These types of posts are unproductive.

[General User]

Maclimes wrote...

General User wrote...

I think that Morrigan's OGB would, hands down, make the most interesting possible protagonist. And logically the OGB would be human (in body anyway), and most likely female too.

Actually, when you talk to Morrigan in Witch Hunt after having performed the Dark Ritual, she confirms the child is male. Not that they can't retcon it or something, but it's there.

However, Gaider has specifically stated that if the player did not perform the Dark Ritual (or allow Loghain or Alistair to do so), then there is no OGB. They will not be forcing it in. 

Yes quite. 

In my opinion that's a real shame though.   I mean, even as a male, I have to think that the OGB makes for an incredibly interesting character and an even better protagonist.

Modifié par General User, 29 octobre 2012 - 04:39 .

[WhiteThunder]

Atakuma wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Geralt isn't a blank slate, he's just an awful character with a terrible voice actor.

I wonder what you consider a good character, considering how nuanced and layered Geralt is. No idea about VO, I play in Polish with subtitles.

I'm talking purely about the games here as I've never read the books. Video game Geralt has all the nuance of a turnip.

Well, opinions by definition can't be incorrect, but yours is pretty darn close.

[WhiteThunder]

Il Divo wrote...

Bernhardtbr wrote...

Thanks forgot about that but I think everyone understood what I´ve meant. BTW how many BIoware employees are from Black Isle?

Off the top of my head, no idea. But the two worked together pretty closely back in the isometric days. A good number of Black Isle employees (best one: Chris Avellone) did stay on when Obsidion was formed.

Black Isle turned into Obsidian.  BioWare is BioWare.

[Riosred]

I always choose to play human anyhow so I am thrilled to be human again!

[legion999]

Disappointed.