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[acewings]

Is this a troll topic? Lol, in pretty much every game you play as a human. Haha, I'm not sure why it's a big deal...

Modifié par acewings, 09 novembre 2012 - 10:31 .

[Felya87]

Taint Master wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

This is for the best. Dwarves and Elves don't make for great protagonists.

Why not?

Isn't it self-evident? 

no. is not. please explain.

Humans are more relatable, and are also physically the largest.  A frail little elf or a bearded midget isn't exactly "heroic."

go tell that to Frodo. or Willow.
Hero is made by the action, not by the look. and both those character are minglet, and great heroes.

and Kossith are much bigger than Human. so yours is an erroneus explenation too.

female Human si not taller than a male Elf too. So female Human can't make a good protagonist too?

you could't find a most inaccurate reason. Stop joking and give us a better reason, thanks.

[Taint Master]

Why do people keep bringing up Qunari?  They were never playable to begin with, and are more of a monster race anyway.

Human are the largest OF THE THREE PREVIOUSLY PLAYABLE OPTIONS (can't believe I really have to explain that).

Faerunner wrote...
Also, just because you find humans more relatable doesn't mean everyone does. Elves, dwarves, humans and kossith all have different historical, religious, cultural, and socio/economic backgrounds. Since people in real life come from different backgrounds, you never know who might find other races' circumstances closer to theirs, or even if they just find them more interesting or enjoyable than humans.

I personally relate to the elves more since I was born from a minority family and was raised in poverty and prejudice, whereas Andrastian humans basically mirror the white Christian society many of us might feel disconnected from, or even bored with for one reason or another (hence the escapist fantasy). You never know.

Pretty sure the devs have said before that the races in DA aren't directly modeled after any one religious group or race, even if they do take some cues from historical events.  You're reading more into it than is there.   And it's not as if DA doesn't have impoverished humans or human to human discrimination (Orlesians anyone?).

In the end we're all humans, so yes a human protagonist is the most relatable by default.

[Uriko128]

I really don't like the feeling of playing the third game as a human, when the first game allowed me to play as an elf or dwarf... It feels... Reductive.

[Caiden012]

Uriko128 wrote...

I really don't like the feeling of playing the third game as a human, when the first game allowed me to play as an elf or dwarf... It feels... Reductive.

I agree. A lot of fans want to go back to the way origins was. I am not saying that a lot of fans want race selection but the fact that we are once again playing a human role seems to me that we are still in the DA2 zone.

[Nefla]

Saying "we are humans in real life so that's the most relatable by default!" Is stupid frankly. If that we're true, when watching "Heroes" I should only have been able to identify with Claire since we are both white females with long blonde hair. Instead my favorite was Hiro because he and I both work thankless crappy jobs, both are nerds, crave adventure and want to do the right thing. Why on earth would you only be able to relate to and sympathize with a character who looks like you? Does that mean if you saw someone of another gender or race in real life get injured you wouldn't help them because they can't possibly feel pain or fear like YOU do?

[10K]

Relatability is subjective like most everything. Saying people would relate to only humans in a game because they're humans is false.

[Taint Master]

Nefla wrote...

Saying "we are humans in real life so that's the most relatable by default!" Is stupid frankly. If that we're true, when watching "Heroes" I should only have been able to identify with Claire since we are both white females with long blonde hair. Instead my favorite was Hiro because he and I both work thankless crappy jobs, both are nerds, crave adventure and want to do the right thing.

That's not the same thing at all.  First, I never said humans were the ONLY relatable race, I said they were the most relatable.  Secondly there are no barriers in the story for exclusive social experiences between the races.

Humans in DA span the entire gamut from pesants to kings, opressed to opressors, so the storyline can be tailored to fit any human experience.

Why on earth would you only be able to relate to and sympathize with a character who looks like you?

And where in my post did I say this?  (Hint: nowhere).

Does that mean if you saw someone of another gender or race in real life get injured you wouldn't help them because they can't possibly feel pain or fear like YOU do?

You really have a knack for completely missing the point and then putting words in other people's mouths.  Please read more carefully before going off on a tangential rant again.

[Bernhardtbr]

mosesarose wrote...

Relatability is subjective like most everything. Saying people would relate to only humans in a game because they're humans is false.

I must confess I never used the mabari and never used a dwarf protagonist (though I really like Oghren) because I couldn´t relate. Those sex scenes would be very weird with a dwarf Warden and my characters are always nymphos

Modifié par Bernhardtbr, 09 novembre 2012 - 02:55 .

[JerZey CJ]

acewings wrote...

Is this a troll topic? Lol, in pretty much every game you play as a human. Haha, I'm not sure why it's a big deal...

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Apparently you've never played DA:O

[Caiden012]

Race selection is not about relatability. Its about roleplay and creating the character you want to create. I never pick a human or an elf because I think I can relate to them as a race. I do it because I want to create my own character. If I make an elf who kills everyone he meets than there is no way I can relate to him. But I chose to make him that way, I created him to be like that and that is why plaingy as that character is fun. I gain my fun from choices and creating. Not how much I can relate to a character.

Modifié par Caiden012, 09 novembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[Felya87]

Caiden012 wrote...

Race selection is not about relatability. Its about roleplay and creating the character you want to create. I never pick a human or an elf because I think I can relate to them as a race. I do it because I want to create my own character. If I make an elf who kills everyone he meets than there is no way I can relate to him. But I chose to make him that way, I created him to be like that and that is why plaingy as that character is fun. I gain my fun from choices and creating. Not how much I can relate to a character.

I totally agree. Some of my character made thing I would never do. But it was ok for the character I created to do so. My CE let Alistair kill Loghain. I would have not. But she thinked Duncan, who saved her in the Alienage, deserved revenge.
My Dwarf Castless, instead, decided to spare him. Becase he, after Lesche's betrayal, could understand Loghain.

is not the player himself, but the characters the players create that make the game fun.

...now that I think about characters...is just my immagination, or referrig to the GW all say "my warden/character" and speaking of Hawke people usually say only "hawke" or "F/M Hawke" or "Mage/Hawke"? maybe I'm wrong, but the GW have always that "my" before...just a simple word, but make think about how much people relate to his/her character, and feel as if it was his/her.

it may be my impression, but Hawke didn't feel that personal to people.

[Trolldrool]

I think the reason people are so upset is because Dragons Age Origins was a very unique game in that we got to see the world of the dwarves and elves from their perspective more than any other game had done before and so we hoped the sequels would expand upon that feature and improve them. Apparently that's not what Bioware had in mind, so our expectations don't match their plans.

And when I say "our" I'm refering to the loudspeaking minority. A minority of a hell of a lot of people.

[Caiden012]

Trolldrool wrote...

I think the reason people are so upset is because Dragons Age Origins was a very unique game in that we got to see the world of the dwarves and elves from their perspective more than any other game had done before and so we hoped the sequels would expand upon that feature and improve them. Apparently that's not what Bioware had in mind, so our expectations don't match their plans.

And when I say "our" I'm refering to the loudspeaking minority. A minority of a hell of a lot of people.

Everyone has different expectations from a game and a developer can never meet all of them. But at the same time that doesn't mean that the minority should just be ignored. Lets say to 40% of fans want race options while the other 60% don't care or just want to play human. That makes them a minority but that is still a pretty big chunk of fans. It would be wrong of Bioware to say "Only 40% of players want race option so we are just going to forget about them". I am not say that Bioware did that, but it is important to keep the minority in mind.

I am upset because I was hoping that with DA3 Bioware would step back and take a look back at origins and say "Things went well in origins lets try to expand on that." But right now it would seem that they want to fix what didn't go well in DA2 and throw some Mass Effect in the mix. It could work well but one of the reason I have a hard time playing DA2 is because I can't help but sit there and be upset over the fact that things that worked well in orgins were sort of forgotten or went in the wrong direction. That is just the way I feel about it.

[D a n t e]

Uriko128 wrote...

I really don't like the feeling of playing the third game as a human, when the first game allowed me to play as an elf or dwarf... It feels... Reductive.

Agree.

And I never play as a humn if I can have other races. Only humans is bad for me, and I don't find it unimportant if it can have an impact on the story.

[Felya87]

D a n t e wrote...

Uriko128 wrote...

I really don't like the feeling of playing the third game as a human, when the first game allowed me to play as an elf or dwarf... It feels... Reductive.

Agree.

And I never play as a humn if I can have other races. Only humans is bad for me, and I don't find it unimportant if it can have an impact on the story.

I agree with both. In truth, I think even people who usually play as a human are disappointed, inside: even if they settle for human character...just choosing the human as race is already a choise. Is already a step in creating the character, and fell as if is really a creation of the player.
A preimposted oblygatory human...take away half the fun in creating our PC. Even if a player usually choose a Human...it doesn't fell the player's character.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

acewings wrote...

Is this a troll topic? Lol, in pretty much every game you play as a human. Haha, I'm not sure why it's a big deal...

That's the point.  You can be a human in a million other games.  I'd rather be an elf or a dwarf.  Plus, Dragon Age II already had a human forced on you, so why do it again in Dragon Age III?  I get bored only being able to play as a human.  DA II had zero replay value.  None.

And before anybody brings up Commander Shepard... For me, Mass Effect is more about my squadmates, and to a lesser extent, the Mass Effect galaxy as a whole.  I never felt like I bonded with Shepard, but I did feel like I bonded with my Warden.  Part of the reason for me not being able to bond with Shepard is the fact that he says things that feel very out of place.  For example, a line written as "Move out" can end up being "That's good. Embrace your hatred."  Not only that, but the damn auto-dialog.  Some of it was okay, but some of it was just corny as hell.  Voiced protagonists are bad in a game like this, in my opinion.

[Realmzmaster]

I found that DA2 had plenty of replay value. I had no problem playing as just a human. For me roleplaying as one race is fine. Bioware could have picked dwarf as the race and I would roll with that. A one race PC does not limit my roleplaying ability. But, everyone else YMMV.

[Felya87]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I found that DA2 had plenty of replay value. I had no problem playing as just a human. For me roleplaying as one race is fine. Bioware could have picked dwarf as the race and I would roll with that. A one race PC does not limit my roleplaying ability. But, everyone else YMMV.

good for you. I could't take away from my mind, when playng DA2: This is not my character. This is not my character. I would never choose this as my character.

that and the stupid icons made for me very difficult have fun with the game.

[Darth Death]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I found that DA2 had plenty of replay value.

We both played two different games.

[Realmzmaster]

Darth Death wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

I found that DA2 had plenty of replay value.

We both played two different games.

I am sure we did!

[Realmzmaster]

Felya87 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

I found that DA2 had plenty of replay value. I had no problem playing as just a human. For me roleplaying as one race is fine. Bioware could have picked dwarf as the race and I would roll with that. A one race PC does not limit my roleplaying ability. But, everyone else YMMV.

good for you. I could't take away from my mind, when playng DA2: This is not my character. This is not my character. I would never choose this as my character.

that and the stupid icons made for me very difficult have fun with the game.

I guess there is the difference. I made all of my Hawkes my characters, just like I made all of my wardens my characters. I molded each one to fit how I wanted to roleplay them.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 10 novembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[The Elder King]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

]That's the point.  You can be a human in a million other games.  I'd rather be an elf or a dwarf.  Plus, Dragon Age II already had a human forced on you, so why do it again in Dragon Age III?  I get bored only being able to play as a human.  DA II had zero replay value.  None.

Which it doesn't necessary have to do with the race options. I played DAO with a HN at least 5 times (4 times as male). A human male mage, 2 times. A dwarf male noble, 3 times.  A dalish elf, 4 times. A male city elf, 2 times .By your logic, I'd have played DAO with every origin one-two times (considering the two genders).

Modifié par hhh89, 10 novembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[Felya87]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

I found that DA2 had plenty of replay value. I had no problem playing as just a human. For me roleplaying as one race is fine. Bioware could have picked dwarf as the race and I would roll with that. A one race PC does not limit my roleplaying ability. But, everyone else YMMV.

good for you. I could't take away from my mind, when playng DA2: This is not my character. This is not my character. I would never choose this as my character.

that and the stupid icons made for me very difficult have fun with the game.

I guess there is the difference. I made all of my Hawkes my characters, just lie I made all of my wardens my characters. I molded each one to fit how I wanted to roleplay them.

problem is...I would never choose a Human from the start. I still have to play the HN or the Human Mage in DA:O, because I don't like to use Human in fantasy. It's the motive I never played Gothic, or Risen or the Witcher...
I have much less problems with other genres, like Fallout, KOTOR or ME. but in a Fantasy setting...I just can't. I've passed most of DA2 looking with spark in the eyes the Kossith, and thinking whoa! that would be great th play!!!the restyle is very good!!!...than there was Hawke's face... depressive.

I tried, really, to roleplay Hawke as my Wardens. Really. But the tone changes made me cringe. And I was lucky because I don't speak English, so I hear it less. But if Hawke was mostly gentle or sarcastic, those times when I wanted her to aggressive made me want to call an exorcist! too different voice!!! It wasn't the same person at all!!!

And I hate nobles with a passion: I don't like the nobility, no matter the race. And having Hawke being a forced noble, was another bad thing for me.