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[Dagr88]

The strong point of Origins was... Origins a.k.a backgrounds. And those were:

- Appearance (Race)
- Social status (Dalish, Castless...)

If in DA3 backgrounds are unplayable it'll diminish its importance. So game should constantly remind us about those 2 aspects.

Example of appearance:
One of the rogue backgrounds is about how PC was almost a slave for some baron or something (It's mentions in DAO by some orlesian woman in Denerim that low class are treated as dirt). Permanent big scars or burned mark on the back. It can be his/her source of shame/rage/will. LI can ask about it and so on...

Fake Tranquility sign for the Mage apostate, which turned out to be not the brightest idea/very useful...

OK, I admit it's hard to come up with good ones... so how about different for War/Rog/Mag?

Example of Social status:
If it's more important than saving up 1 gold coin or not having to kill 7 extra bandits it'll be great... Basically it's all about Noble Human who can marry Alistair/Anora. Depending on your status you can't DO THAT and THAT but if you have a blood made background you can use your power on he Divine to do something while Spirit Healer has some baron in his/her pocket because /she saved that barons life. (Ok those examples were not so much about "social status")

Origins - Exclusive content... What I was writing about again?

Modifié par Dagr88, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:07 .

[Harle Cerulean]

deuce985 wrote...

How would people feel if MP allows you to play different races? Just curious. Would that ****** people off?

This question strikes me as pointless, since we still don't know what the MP component of DA3 will entail - I mean, unless I've missed an announcement or something?  People are going to evision whatever MP means to them, and what we get will most likely be different.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:02 .

[ianvillan]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

How would people feel if MP allows you to play different races? Just curious. Would that ****** people off?

Oh yes, that would ****** off me.

Picture this: DLC packs for multiplayer. Gives you a bunch of elves + classes for elves etc.

Sorry, just being mean now

Let's flip this around.  Say it's a tower defense game where the players have to defend against wave after wave...of elves!

First I would need to know are they dropping out of the air above you.

[Rawgrim]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

@ upsettinshorts

yes i do know what i'm implying and it's not saying sitdown and shutup don't say anything, i'm merely asking they think about others before they start to type that's not so much to ask now is it?

Are you thinking of others who might enjoy the added attention to a human protagonist that playing one who prefers them would provide before you post?

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Why am I listed twice? Am I that upset? 

You're your own category.

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

[upsettingshorts]

Rawgrim wrote...

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

A lot of people liked it too.  Or are you denying the Happy/Slightly positive people in this thread exist?

My point is, again, that there is no consensus, pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

(Edit: Not to mention, quite a few of the Indifferents balanced their disappointment in a lack of options with enthusiasm for the benefits fixing the race will provide)

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 octobre 2012 - 09:57 .

[Rawgrim]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

A lot of people liked it too.  Or are you denying the Happy/Slightly positive people in this thread exist?

My point is, again, that there is no consensus, pretending otherwise is disingeuous.

Not denying that people liked DA2. No problem with that. But the race bit was a pretty big complaint in general, when DA2 came out. I don`t see how the Human option would suffer much if the game also had the possebility for you to play as a dwarf or an elf.

[TheJediSaint]

ianvillan wrote...

snip

First I would need to know are they dropping out of the air above you.

Elf paratroopers it is!

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:00 .

[fchopin]

I can not say what i think as i don't understand what mr. Schumacher means by only human.

Will playing a human have more than one option or will it be one story whatever you select? if only one story with just text story differences then it does not really matter what we play us.

[Shadow Fox]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

A lot of people liked it too.  Or are you denying the Happy/Slightly positive people in this thread exist?

My point is, again, that there is no consensus, pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

(Edit: Not to mention, quite a few of the Indifferents balanced their disappointment in a lack of options with enthusiasm for the benefits fixing the race will provide)

The very nature of a broken base

[unbentbuzzkill]

@upsettinshorts

actually yes i do.

[upsettingshorts]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

A lot of people liked it too.  Or are you denying the Happy/Slightly positive people in this thread exist?

My point is, again, that there is no consensus, pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

(Edit: Not to mention, quite a few of the Indifferents balanced their disappointment in a lack of options with enthusiasm for the benefits fixing the race will provide)

The very nature of a broken base

What's your point?  

[TheJediSaint]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

A lot of people liked it too.  Or are you denying the Happy/Slightly positive people in this thread exist?

My point is, again, that there is no consensus, pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

(Edit: Not to mention, quite a few of the Indifferents balanced their disappointment in a lack of options with enthusiasm for the benefits fixing the race will provide)

The very nature of a broken base

I would say diverse rather than broken.  People are going to have diferent opions.   Them's the breaks.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:02 .

[Faerloch]

I don't see the point in making the restriction. Yes, in the long run it's less work for the Bioware gaming staff to keep up with all the details required for dwarf/elf interactions. But, race selection can really add more drama to the plot.

For instance, if Hawke had a secondary origin story where he was a Dalish elf-mage escaping the blight, he'd later find himself stuck in the alienage in Kirkwall. There would have been greater incentive for an oppressed rise to power, rather than a human Ferelden native who has a 'noble claim'--though that status would obviously not be honored, due to Mrs. Hawke's actions with her apostate defection.

I play fantasy/sci-fi video games because I want that disconnect from everyday life, where I'm stuck in a cubicle talking to the same boring people who grasp for whatever gossip they can find. Play like an elf, think like a man; whatever you want to do, that simple identity choice can really add a lot to immersion, and factor new perspectives for each choice the PC makes. Being stuck as a human isn't the end of the world, but again the game play is already limiting itself by default.

[ianvillan]

TheJediSaint wrote...

ianvillan wrote...

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First I would need to know are they dropping out of the air above you.

Elf paratroopers it is!

Well in that case my answer must sadly be no. 

[Shevy]

fchopin wrote...

I can not say what i think as i don't understand what mr. Schumacher means by only human.

Will playing a human have more than one option or will it be one story whatever you select? if only one story with just text story differences then it does not really matter what we play us.

Your protagonist will be human, but he/she is going to have different backgrounds in a non-playable way. How those backgrounds will look like is only speculation from the fans.

[Shadow Fox]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

A lot of people liked it too.  Or are you denying the Happy/Slightly positive people in this thread exist?

My point is, again, that there is no consensus, pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

(Edit: Not to mention, quite a few of the Indifferents balanced their disappointment in a lack of options with enthusiasm for the benefits fixing the race will provide)

The very nature of a broken base

What's your point?  

You're right that's my point.

[Rawgrim]

Shevy_001 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I can not say what i think as i don't understand what mr. Schumacher means by only human.

Will playing a human have more than one option or will it be one story whatever you select? if only one story with just text story differences then it does not really matter what we play us.

Your protagonist will be human, but he/she is going to have different backgrounds in a non-playable way. How those backgrounds will look like is only speculation from the fans.

Shep could have different background too. None of wich mattered at all, apart from a bit of text in the bio.

[heyakate]

Rawgrim wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

A lot of people liked it too.  Or are you denying the Happy/Slightly positive people in this thread exist?

My point is, again, that there is no consensus, pretending otherwise is disingeuous.

Not denying that people liked DA2. No problem with that. But the race bit was a pretty big complaint in general, when DA2 came out. I don`t see how the Human option would suffer much if the game also had the possebility for you to play as a dwarf or an elf.

If the protagonist can only be human, then the storyline can be built around that character rather than there being one story that has to adapt to the race of the pc. If there was to be a dramatically different storyline based on your race then I'd think differently, but realistically that's not going to happen, because of time constraints, budgets and/or whatever.

[The Elder King]

ianvillan wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

ianvillan wrote...

snip

First I would need to know are they dropping out of the air above you.

Elf paratroopers it is!

Well in that case my answer must sadly be no. 

Would you prefer if they'll siege a castle arriving on the back of gryffons?

[LTD]

Makes sense. I'm sure careful analyzis of DA II data by EA's data analyzation department reveals a significant percentage of people played the game as a human!!

..Seriously though, from persoinal and narrow POV I don't mind much. I almost never roll anything but human males, I'm boring that way:l

I dislike the implications dancing in the shadows tho. Only one playable race makes me think there won't be Origins stories.  Lack of any significant customization or any truly relevant intersections in who/what PC is seems a touch more likely than before the announcment.

Modifié par LTD, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:09 .

[Rawgrim]

heyakate wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

A lot of people liked it too.  Or are you denying the Happy/Slightly positive people in this thread exist?

My point is, again, that there is no consensus, pretending otherwise is disingeuous.

Not denying that people liked DA2. No problem with that. But the race bit was a pretty big complaint in general, when DA2 came out. I don`t see how the Human option would suffer much if the game also had the possebility for you to play as a dwarf or an elf.

If the protagonist can only be human, then the storyline can be built around that character rather than there being one story that has to adapt to the race of the pc. If there was to be a dramatically different storyline based on your race then I'd think differently, but realistically that's not going to happen, because of time constraints, budgets and/or whatever.

You are right, of course. BUT this is a roleplaying game. The player character is the most important bit in an rpg. When bioware adds stiff restrictions like this, it makes the game turn into an interactive movie instead, wth the player being told a story and dragged along by it, instead of making it evolve around him due to the actions and choices he makes.

[ianvillan]

hhh89 wrote...

ianvillan wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

ianvillan wrote...

snip

First I would need to know are they dropping out of the air above you.

Elf paratroopers it is!

Well in that case my answer must sadly be no. 

Would you prefer if they'll siege a castle arriving on the back of gryffons?

I will accept your proposal as long as if the Dwarfs attack they will be on Brontos.

[The Elder King]

ianvillan wrote...


I will accept your proposal as long as if the Dwarfs attack they will be on Brontos.

I'd have preferred mabari, but Brontos are fine too.

[fchopin]

Shevy_001 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I can not say what i think as i don't understand what mr. Schumacher means by only human.

Will playing a human have more than one option or will it be one story whatever you select? if only one story with just text story differences then it does not really matter what we play us.

Your protagonist will be human, but he/she is going to have different backgrounds in a non-playable way. How those backgrounds will look like is only speculation from the fans.

If what you say is correct then Mr. Schumacher's question is irrelevant as it will not make any difference if we play a mage a rogue or a warrior so it does not matter if we play human or whatever.
 
To make a difference it has to be a difference story and should have a different beginning.

[WhiteThunder]

heyakate wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Human got added attention in DA2. Alot of people complained about that. Nobody complained about having 3 options for race in DA:O.

A lot of people liked it too.  Or are you denying the Happy/Slightly positive people in this thread exist?

My point is, again, that there is no consensus, pretending otherwise is disingeuous.

Not denying that people liked DA2. No problem with that. But the race bit was a pretty big complaint in general, when DA2 came out. I don`t see how the Human option would suffer much if the game also had the possebility for you to play as a dwarf or an elf.

If the protagonist can only be human, then the storyline can be built around that character rather than there being one story that has to adapt to the race of the pc. If there was to be a dramatically different storyline based on your race then I'd think differently, but realistically that's not going to happen, because of time constraints, budgets and/or whatever.

Yeah, it would be great if they didn't have time constraints and could just release the game when it's ready.  Or if they could use the budget alloted for multiplayer to create a satisfying single player campaign.  Or if they could use the budget alloted for a voiced PC to expand the campaign sufficiently to allow racial options.

Luckily my little brother will be buying it regardless of how badly Bioware botches every aspect of the game, so I'll probably give it a shot...

AS LONG AS I CAN PLAY AS A ******* DW WARRIOR!