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[Travie]

krul2k wrote...

just gimme plenty things to kill while my blood rage is up an have me charge about the place like hercules on speed yelling WAAAAA WAAAAA ARGHHHHH with a few grunts an a fart for good measure an im happy.

oh an red eyes yeah need red eyes

Someone start a petition for being able to fart as a response to every question an Andrastian asks you. I'm not talking Fable farts either, I'm talking don't-stop-till-theres-****stains farts. 

Justice demands it so.

[Uccio]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

They can. We do so in The Old Republic.

This isn't a factor for not having multiple races.

I stand corrected then. I was under the impression that it was one of the factors. 

[Sutekh]

Dark Korsar wrote...

"elves and human ladies still have a very different builds, so the problem remains".

so the only problem is the cinematics for female elf protag, but why biowar not
just make them the same height as male elf protag?

many females were unhappy that they had a protag shorter that male protag

I meant human ladies and elves (both genders). Also, "build" not "height". And no, that's not a solution, because it would go against the already established lore.  It would be horribly lazy. I'm very disappointed to be forced to human in DA3, but I'd rather have a good consistent game than "anything goes" just so I can play my darling elf. 

Plus, if the solution is to make every race the same (physically for cinematics, by adapting the story so it works for all etc...) what's the point of playing different races again? 

[Horacio Zhao]

I don't mind, humans are good looking, elves used to be, but DA2 changed there design to..... those blue things on Pandora.

[Wulfram]

Having all the elves be about human female height wouldn't be a bigger shift that took place from DA:O to 2

[Dutchess]

Wulfram wrote...

Having all the elves be about human female height wouldn't be a bigger shift that took place from DA:O to 2

You took the words out of my mouth.

[Sutekh]

Wulfram wrote...

Having all the elves be about human female height wouldn't be a bigger shift that took place from DA:O to 2

I was so sure someone would use that argument. 

DA2 elves might be not to your taste (or mine) but they're still lore-correct. Elves are shorter and slimmer. They are in DAO, they are in DA2, visually and through description in codices. If you make them as tall as human to fit cinematics, that's a much bigger retcon than those giraffe necks.

And (before someone uses that too), the alleged ugliness of DA2 elves doesn't clash with the lore ("elves are supposed to be beautiful"). As endless discussions on the topic of DA2 elves have proven, beauty is subjective. Height and build aren't.

[Rodulv]

A Qunari Protagonist would have been more interesting. 

Modifié par Rodulv, 23 janvier 2013 - 11:54 .

[Chrumpek]

But I wanted to play as a dwarf

You guys from bioware did such a great job ilustrating dwarfs in origins I can't think of not playing one in the next dragon age ;/

Humans are always my go to race in RPGs, but then I played as dwarf in your game and thought it was amazing.

[Rodulv]

As long as the human is not an Orlesian with an annoying accent I'm happy.

[LobselVith8]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Because Elf leading Inquisition would be like Tauren paladins from WoW (****ing holy cows), and Bioware doesn't want to screwup their IP like Blizzard did.

And yet, the protagonist can be a mage in a society that is adamantly anti-mage.

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I begin reading some of your posts here, and you are constantly day dreaming about the damn elves

I've discussed the plight of mages and allowing the protagonist to voice an atheist perspective (via The Warden in Origins) much more than I have addressed an interest in a non-human protagonist. As for your disdain for elves, you're entitled to your opinion. However, your opinion doesn't change mine. Personally, I find the "human only" protagonist is "done to death", and I would prefer to have a non-human protagonist instead for Inquisition. Having Hawke spout those asinine Andrastian lines disconnected me from the Champion.

[Richado_Ninja]

I'm rather disappointed that I was never able to play as an elf in DA2, that was one of the things I was expecting to do in the game. All I have to say that when there is only one race for the protagonist to be and that there aren't any class structures like in DAO, the game itself loses replay value and because Origins had variations on who your character was, I kept replaying the game with all the races and statuses. I think the developers should really consider this as a factor in the series.

[Blarg]

I'm usually on the ME3 MP forum, but I'll throw my two cents in here.

Personally, I'd like to play as a race other than human. That's why DA:O, SW:TOR, and ME3 MP appealed to me so much. Being able to play as an elf, Chiss, or Krogan, just feels...awesome.
Of course, I wouldn't be angry if I was restricted to playing as a human, but I wouldn't be ecstatic, either.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Because Elf leading Inquisition would be like Tauren paladins from WoW (****ing holy cows), and Bioware doesn't want to screwup their IP like Blizzard did.

And yet, the protagonist can be a mage in a society that is adamantly anti-mage.

You can be sure, you won't be just some "normal" mage.

And those Andrastian lines should be there, because humans are raised like that. It would be nonsense saying that you won't belive in Maker, when your whole life you are teached about him and Andraste. Its like you would say you don't believe in God during medieval age - you know what would happen? You would be probably tried for heresy and concerning with devil and then burn at stake, or worse.

Bioware needs to set some boundries, without them the game would be just a mess of nonsense. Even in origins you couldn't go your way, or not save the world, or send Alistair to hell. It had more limmitations then you realized, every game had to have, because its never RL.

[Mantaal]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Because Elf leading Inquisition would be like Tauren paladins from WoW (****ing holy cows), and Bioware doesn't want to screwup their IP like Blizzard did.

And yet, the protagonist can be a mage in a society that is adamantly anti-mage.

You can be sure, you won't be just some "normal" mage.

And those Andrastian lines should be there, because humans are raised like that. It would be nonsense saying that you won't belive in Maker, when your whole life you are teached about him and Andraste. Its like you would say you don't believe in God during medieval age - you know what would happen? You would be probably tried for heresy and concerning with devil and then burn at stake, or worse.

Bioware needs to set some boundries, without them the game would be just a mess of nonsense. Even in origins you couldn't go your way, or not save the world, or send Alistair to hell. It had more limmitations then you realized, every game had to have, because its never RL.

Did i miss the news where Bioware said that the Protagonist will be an Inquisitor? Or is it just because of the Name?

Btw on the other hand.. there was and there always will be lots of Peoples dont give a sh.... about the Religion. Even in the middle ages. Well most of it in the middle Ages. Religion was just a tool for the most peoples. Many "Catholics" had Trade routes to muslims. Many Peoples did change thier Religion every year in Spain, depents on the Ruler there  and not make me start about those Anti-Pope thing. There where even more then one King got excumunicated by the Pope because they didnt care about the Religion. (And they didnt burn)

[74 Wrex]

Bioware should bring back the ability for players to change races to Elves, Dwarves and add Qunari
If not in the game then dlc

[SparksMKII]

I would like to be able to play a morally "good" protagonist that isn't utterly naive for a change.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Mantaal wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Because Elf leading Inquisition would be like Tauren paladins from WoW (****ing holy cows), and Bioware doesn't want to screwup their IP like Blizzard did.

And yet, the protagonist can be a mage in a society that is adamantly anti-mage.

You can be sure, you won't be just some "normal" mage.

And those Andrastian lines should be there, because humans are raised like that. It would be nonsense saying that you won't belive in Maker, when your whole life you are teached about him and Andraste. Its like you would say you don't believe in God during medieval age - you know what would happen? You would be probably tried for heresy and concerning with devil and then burn at stake, or worse.

Bioware needs to set some boundries, without them the game would be just a mess of nonsense. Even in origins you couldn't go your way, or not save the world, or send Alistair to hell. It had more limmitations then you realized, every game had to have, because its never RL.

Did i miss the news where Bioware said that the Protagonist will be an Inquisitor? Or is it just because of the Name?

Btw on the other hand.. there was and there always will be lots of Peoples dont give a sh.... about the Religion. Even in the middle ages. Well most of it in the middle Ages. Religion was just a tool for the most peoples. Many "Catholics" had Trade routes to muslims. Many Peoples did change thier Religion every year in Spain, depents on the Ruler there  and not make me start about those Anti-Pope thing. There where even more then one King got excumunicated by the Pope because they didnt care about the Religion. (And they didnt burn)

There were NOT a lot of people who give... about religion, and even those kings who got excomunicated were making their own religion or variation from it (like Henry). Making Hawke, who was raised in the viliage (which was govern by Chantry and Templars no less) , into some kind of athesit would just nail the whole thing to the wall. It was already retarded that Templars didn't caught you up in Kirkwall, no need to push it.

Not to mention there is no science, no alternative. There is only Chantry teachings, and of course Qunari, who are considered as heretics and heatens - that's what you are thought through out your whole childhood. Hell, even in Tevinter Imperium, which is roten to the core, people are worshiping Maker and even made their own Divine.

Its same like with any other thing based on belief - if nobody would told you that Santa Claus doesn't exist, you would still believe in him, and would be sending him letters and thanking him in prayers every christmass for the gifts he brought you. And that's how it is in Thedas!

[Asdrubael Vect]

You forgot about the worship of the Old Gods,Deamons... the religion of the many human-barbarian tribes, and religion of dwarves, elves....many humans,elfs,dwarfs in Thedas, especially in the Chantry countries be agnostics if not a atheists

Chantry is not the only religion in Thedas and it spread from Orlay emperor Drakkon , who is the creator of Andraste Chantry, before him  Chantry did not exist

and the Tevinter Empire, Anderfels have a lot of atheists-agnostics

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 24 janvier 2013 - 12:35 .

[Wulfram]

Sutekh wrote...

I was so sure someone would use that argument. 

DA2 elves might be not to your taste (or mine) but they're still lore-correct. Elves are shorter and slimmer. They are in DAO, they are in DA2, visually and through description in codices. If you make them as tall as human to fit cinematics, that's a much bigger retcon than those giraffe necks.

My female Elf Warden is basically a Dwarf compared by DA2 elvish standards.  Short and stout - and then you've got the eyes and the ears. 

Giving the female elves a couple of inches of extra height doesn't conflict with the lore - really, it's still well within the range of expected variation in a population.  Maybe female elves in Orlais just tend to be a tad taller?  edit:  Dutch women are 2 inches taller than French women on average, though of course that height difference is also reflected among the men.

Modifié par Wulfram, 24 janvier 2013 - 02:31 .

[Eshiaya]

Does anyone know when we can expect to hear more news on DA3? I'm sure I remember hearing spring time but not 100% sure. Thanks.

[SparksMKII]

jaywaddy wrote...

Does anyone know when we can expect to hear more news on DA3? I'm sure I remember hearing spring time but not 100% sure. Thanks.

Last I heard was that sprintreviewday was the end of this month again so I'm assuming next week for a little more info.

[stargatefan1990]

Big DA fan here not post much just wanted to say i am absolutely fine with this as long as there is diversity in backround of the main Char and companions

[Sutekh]

Wulfram wrote...

Giving the female elves a couple of inches of extra height doesn't conflict with the lore - really, it's still well within the range of expected variation in a population.  Maybe female elves in Orlais just tend to be a tad taller?  edit:  Dutch women are 2 inches taller than French women on average, though of course that height difference is also reflected among the men.

You'd be very right if the population we actually see in-game had any such variation. Considering, for instance, that City Elves have the exact same build than Dalish (despite having different diets and ways of life over many generations), that isn't the case. 

If we were talking about a book or a comic, I'd have no problems with some being tall(er), other short(er), some stout, some thin. I even remember a fat elf in Dawn of the Seeker which I found kind of cool. You could even have some human males shorter than some female elves etc... but we're not. It's a computer game, with technical limitations meaning that bodies - especially PC's - have to be "normalized"; one size per race per gender. And then, what we see becomes the lore, because what we see is the norm and only the norm.