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[LobselVith8]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

And yet, the protagonist can be a mage in a society that is adamantly anti-mage.

You can be sure, you won't be just some "normal" mage.

So couldn't my protagonist be someone who isn't a "normal" elf or dwarf then? If the story can accommodate a mage protagonist who will allegedly be able to use his magical abilities and have people react to it, then I don't see why an elven or dwarven protagonist is out of the question - especially since all mages are vilified in Andrastian society.

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

And those Andrastian lines should be there, because humans are raised like that. It would be nonsense saying that you won't belive in Maker, when your whole life you are teached about him and Andraste. Its like you would say you don't believe in God during medieval age - you know what would happen? You would be probably tried for heresy and concerning with devil and then burn at stake, or worse.

Bioware needs to set some boundries, without them the game would be just a mess of nonsense. Even in origins you couldn't go your way, or not save the world, or send Alistair to hell. It had more limmitations then you realized, every game had to have, because its never RL.

The Cousland protagonist can say he doesn't believe in the Maker; the Surana protagonist can make it clear he doesn't follow the Maker; The Warden can inform Leliana he thinks Andraste was a mere mortal; the Warden-Commander can tell Justice he doesn't believe in the Maker. There's already a precedent for this.

[Asdrubael Vect]

i am think that it is not to hard to give us choose the elf race(if not a dwarf or Kossind(i would like to play saerabas)....especially the ex- circle mage/son of the tevinter magister(elf magister), or Orleas/Ferelden city elf....

1)the elf are universal like humans, they can be....rogue/warrior/mage....

2)the elf's(expecially city elf's) are numerous in tedas....and this is also they war(unlike the dwarves(i like them,but still...) who can not even be the mage or the templar(the lirium has no effect of them...except madnes if it's red lirium)

3)if the inquisition have options for be the mage....that means that inquisitor mages are ex-circle mages...and we knows that that would be the elf's

4)if Templars separated from the Chantry, they confront mages and daemons massively invade to Tedas....Why they(and inqusitors) should not take non-mage elf's warriors/rogue-assasins who really believe in Maker, and wants to stop the "evil" mages and demons?....

5)the many elf's of thedas has a real political/social influence, for example..the elf's Gray Wardens(especially knight-commanders like Fiona and the others)....the elf's first enchanters.....the elf's magisters of tevinter empire.....the elf's slave traders(like Devera in DA;O).....

6)if the hero would be the elf....I do not think it will take another actor for the character voice acting....that both races voice is almost identical(of course they identical...the actors are human), except for some accent, and if the elf from alianage/circle(any non-dalish)...then he should not have accent

7) the only problem is the cinematics for female elf protag, but why biowar not
just make them the same height as male elf protag, who have the same height than human female protag?

many females were unhappy that they had a protag shorter that male protag 

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 24 janvier 2013 - 05:02 .

[Mantaal]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Because Elf leading Inquisition would be like Tauren paladins from WoW (****ing holy cows), and Bioware doesn't want to screwup their IP like Blizzard did.

And yet, the protagonist can be a mage in a society that is adamantly anti-mage.

You can be sure, you won't be just some "normal" mage.

And those Andrastian lines should be there, because humans are raised like that. It would be nonsense saying that you won't belive in Maker, when your whole life you are teached about him and Andraste. Its like you would say you don't believe in God during medieval age - you know what would happen? You would be probably tried for heresy and concerning with devil and then burn at stake, or worse.

Bioware needs to set some boundries, without them the game would be just a mess of nonsense. Even in origins you couldn't go your way, or not save the world, or send Alistair to hell. It had more limmitations then you realized, every game had to have, because its never RL.

Did i miss the news where Bioware said that the Protagonist will be an Inquisitor? Or is it just because of the Name?

Btw on the other hand.. there was and there always will be lots of Peoples dont give a sh.... about the Religion. Even in the middle ages. Well most of it in the middle Ages. Religion was just a tool for the most peoples. Many "Catholics" had Trade routes to muslims. Many Peoples did change thier Religion every year in Spain, depents on the Ruler there  and not make me start about those Anti-Pope thing. There where even more then one King got excumunicated by the Pope because they didnt care about the Religion. (And they didnt burn)

There were NOT a lot of people who give... about religion, and even those kings who got excomunicated were making their own religion or variation from it (like Henry). Making Hawke, who was raised in the viliage (which was govern by Chantry and Templars no less) , into some kind of athesit would just nail the whole thing to the wall. It was already retarded that Templars didn't caught you up in Kirkwall, no need to push it.

Not to mention there is no science, no alternative. There is only Chantry teachings, and of course Qunari, who are considered as heretics and heatens - that's what you are thought through out your whole childhood. Hell, even in Tevinter Imperium, which is roten to the core, people are worshiping Maker and even made their own Divine.

Its same like with any other thing based on belief - if nobody would told you that Santa Claus doesn't exist, you would still believe in him, and would be sending him letters and thanking him in prayers every christmass for the gifts he brought you. And that's how it is in Thedas!

Oooh yes there was alot of them. Im very interested in Religions of the world. Its an hobby to me and i did even study it for 2 years. (I just love strange and creepy stuff like that) 
Btw i was born in a City i would call Hardcore Catholics. We had some of the last Witches burned 10 mins away from my Home and here are still almost every person a Catholic. But im not. And i dont worship science or something. I didnt even know i need an Alternative. I dont need any kind of worshiping. 
So you want to say im an impossible Person?

[Mantaal]

Dark Korsar wrote...

i am think that it is not to hard to give us choose the elf race(if not a dwarf or Kossind(i would like to play saerabas)....especially the ex- circle mage/son of the tevinter magister(elf magister), or Orleas/Ferelden city elf....

1)the elf are universal like humans, they can be....rogue/warrior/mage....

2)the elf's(expecially city elf's) are numerous in tedas....and this is also they war(unlike the dwarves(i like them,but still...) who can not even be the mage or the templar(the lirium has no effect of them...except madnes if it's red lirium)

3)if the inquisition have options for be the mage....that means that inquisitor mages are ex-circle mages...and we knows that that would be the elf's

4)if Templars separated from the Chantry, they confront mages and daemons massively invade to Tedas....Why they(and inqusitors) should not take non-mage elf's warriors/rogue-assasins who really believe in Maker, and wants to stop the "evil" mages and demons?....

5)the many elf's of thedas has a real political/social influence, for example..the elf's Gray Wardens(especially knight-commanders like Fiona and the others)....the elf's first enchanters.....the elf's magisters of tevinter empire.....the elf's slave traders(like Devera in DA;O).....

6)if the hero would be the elf....I do not think it will take another actor for the character voice acting....that both races voice is almost identical(of course they identical...the actors are human), except for some accent, and if the elf from alianage/circle(any non-dalish)...then he should not have accent

7) the only problem is the cinematics for female elf protag, but why biowar not
just make them the same height as male elf protag, who have the same height than human female protag?

many females were unhappy that they had a protag shorter that male protag 

Its really not that hard. It just seems to want to connect to Shepards success in the DA games. They failed with that Hawke guy and it seems like they try again. 

[Asdrubael Vect]

Mantaal wrote...

Oooh yes there was alot of them. Im very interested in Religions of the world. Its an hobby to me and i did even study it for 2 years. (I just love strange and creepy stuff like that) 
Btw i was born in a City i would call Hardcore Catholics. We had some of the last Witches burned 10 mins away from my Home and here are still almost every person a Catholic. But im not. And i dont worship science or something. I didnt even know i need an Alternative. I dont need any kind of worshiping. 
So you want to say im an impossible Person?

he also forgot about the worshiping of the Old Gods,Deamons... the religion of the many human-barbarian tribes, and religion of dwarves, elves....many humans,elfs,dwarfs in Thedas, especially in the Chantry countries be agnostics if not a atheists

Chantry is not the only religion in Thedas, and it spread from Orlais by emperor Drakkon , who is the creator of Andraste Chantry, before him  Chantry did not exist

and the Tevinter Empire, Anderfels have a lot of atheists-agnostics

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 24 janvier 2013 - 07:21 .

[Recycled Human]

So people aren't dissapointed by this? Racial diversity gave me a sense of ownership in origins, being the rising casteless or the displaced noble vieing for the throne gave my dwarves an extra customization option. Imagination made those customization options great.

So much of what makes a story great is the imagination of the person playing. Imagination is what makes hyped up games so bad, it's that powerful. A single off hand suggestion or image made me think my character would be able to have wings out while walking in fable 3 (it turned out to just be when doing charge attacks). And at the same time, marching to the gate in denerim on my way to face off against the archdemon was so much better because I imagined the gravity of the situation from the cheering soldiers (who only say three lines as you march) were so much louder and so much more emotional when I slow walked up to the gate. To this day everytime I get to that part I slow walk, I haven't run through it once.

This is certainly not a deal breaker but it takes the wind out of my sails a bit. I liked Hawke but I loved all of my wardens. I really wanted to play as a qunari...gotta wait for the inevitable DA MMO then I guess...*cringe*

[Asdrubael Vect]

Recycled Human wrote...
...gotta wait for the inevitable DA MMO then I guess...*cringe*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 24 janvier 2013 - 07:46 .

[LobselVith8]

Mantaal wrote...

Its really not that hard. It just seems to want to connect to Shepards success in the DA games. They failed with that Hawke guy and it seems like they try again. 

Along with having a voiced protagonist, the auto-dialogue, the paraphrasing, and the dialogue wheel, but all that did was divide fans, who either liked it or hated it.

[Mantaal]

Recycled Human wrote...

So people aren't dissapointed by this? Racial diversity gave me a sense of ownership in origins, being the rising casteless or the displaced noble vieing for the throne gave my dwarves an extra customization option. Imagination made those customization options great.

So much of what makes a story great is the imagination of the person playing. Imagination is what makes hyped up games so bad, it's that powerful. A single off hand suggestion or image made me think my character would be able to have wings out while walking in fable 3 (it turned out to just be when doing charge attacks). And at the same time, marching to the gate in denerim on my way to face off against the archdemon was so much better because I imagined the gravity of the situation from the cheering soldiers (who only say three lines as you march) were so much louder and so much more emotional when I slow walked up to the gate. To this day everytime I get to that part I slow walk, I haven't run through it once.

This is certainly not a deal breaker but it takes the wind out of my sails a bit. I liked Hawke but I loved all of my wardens. I really wanted to play as a qunari...gotta wait for the inevitable DA MMO then I guess...*cringe*

No MMORPG with EA. It would be a mess like SWTOR.

[Mantaal]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

Its really not that hard. It just seems to want to connect to Shepards success in the DA games. They failed with that Hawke guy and it seems like they try again. 

Along with having a voiced protagonist, the auto-dialogue, the paraphrasing, and the dialogue wheel, but all that did was divide fans, who either liked it or hated it.

I really LOVE all that! In ME.. not in DA. ME never was a RPG.. DA:O was... 

[Ambivalent]

I don't really mind because for example deciding the ruler of dwarves as an elf or deciding the outcome of templar vs mage war as a dwarf warrior didn't really make any sense in DA:O.

[Monica83]

So i missed from this forum form so much time and now when i'm return i find this post?...

"We want bring back also Origins fan" this is the statement...

But what i see is again "forced to be human" and i don't understeand why an opporunity like play another race with his lore was skipped again...

Honestly Origins had race.. Da2 have not and that being one of the most dumbed down things i ever seen in a sequel.... "if is a sequel"

Now on the upcoming dragon age 3 we have

Human restricion...
Voice Acting with paraphrases "again"
if this is your best effort bioware to bring back who loved dragon age origins.. well good luck...

I think if a brand is born in a certain manner the sequel must stay loyal at that manner and not strip features but improve them... Since in da2 i see nothing improved..I just seen a pityful attempt to bring Dragon age series in a sort of Mass effect with sword and dragons... If i want to play mass effect i play mass effect...

I stepped inside in the dragon age universe because as an rpg offers some features.. Features that now are gone....I'm sad to see the developers didin't learned nothing from the Da2 mistakes. but hey is your company not mine..

Forced to be human again? Stripping away this feature again? I can deal with it as you can deal to live whitout my money i simply skip this one because i don't see features similiar to dragon age origins and i will remember with joy the old bioware.... The crew that i loved the one that maded baldur's gate and Icewind dale..and also Planescape and Neverwinternights...But this is not the bioware i love... This is no more the bioware i love..

The bioware that promises and lies.. The bioware that release incomplete rushed game and after useless dlc for real dollars... Sorry guys...

This is my point of wiew and this is why i think having a human protagonist is agan a letdown...
Even with writed selectable background don't give nothing... I am a person that live with the character created.. I like to imagine them.. I like to build them...A background can be dark so allow the player to imagine his own and build a character on it so for me the feature to allow to select a background don't mean nothing... I love also play different kind of race this open the door on a lot of roleplay opportunity but not allowing it the feel is again to play a premaded character with premaded background and this cut my roleplay and immersion......

A kiss Monica

[Melca36]

I play non humans in Guild Wars 2, so being a human again does NOT bother me in the slightest.

I also think its silly to judge a game before its even out yet and half the people who claim they won't be purchasing it will end up buying it anway.

[Monica83]

Melca36 wrote...

I play non humans in Guild Wars 2, so being a human again does NOT bother me in the slightest.

I also think its silly to judge a game before its even out yet and half the people who claim they won't be purchasing it will end up buying it anway.

Well if you had a pervious game in the same setting that offers you some feature and in the "sequels" they miss... Since i am interested in those features because in the first game was present...

The problem born when you release  a title as a sequel and don't have anything to do with the pervious game like is happened with dragon age 2...

Stripping roleplay opportunity from a roleplay game cutting down different races e feature that was present in the pervious game just because they want a full voiced protagonist to give a cinematic feeling is not so smart.......

If i want cinematics i watch the tv

When i was mmh skeptical... (sorry for my english i am italian) about dragon age 2 some friends told me "oooh come on it's bioware they rocks" but i decided to inform myself and whait to puchase the game.... So when my cousing puchased it for some day i was playing at his home and i finished the whole game.. Unstatisfated and disappointed i was happy to never waste my money in that title.......Dragon age 3 from what devs says seems to follow the dragon age 2 route with more open world... So i am sure i will not puchase that game....

Modifié par Monica83, 25 janvier 2013 - 03:12 .

[Dogaum]

That sucks so much, I'd think they'd learn from DA 2...

[DragonMage95]

Melca36 wrote...

I play non humans in Guild Wars 2, so being a human again does NOT bother me in the slightest.

I also think its silly to judge a game before its even out yet and half the people who claim they won't be purchasing it will end up buying it anway.

You are so right. I think people complain about it just because they have nothing better to do. I understand people were disappointed with DA2 but after a while the complaining and whining gets old fast. I personally like the humans in Dragon Age, other games I try to mix it up a bit but i've always been a human in Dragon Age so i'm fine with being human again. I know i'm going to buy DA3 because i'm a fan of the franchise and I really want to see what the DA team has cooked up for us now, I assume we wont be as dissapointed with the game as people think. Right now all I care about is getting more info on the game right now.

[Melca36]

DomRod95 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I play non humans in Guild Wars 2, so being a human again does NOT bother me in the slightest.

I also think its silly to judge a game before its even out yet and half the people who claim they won't be purchasing it will end up buying it anway.

You are so right. I think people complain about it just because they have nothing better to do. I understand people were disappointed with DA2 but after a while the complaining and whining gets old fast. I personally like the humans in Dragon Age, other games I try to mix it up a bit but i've always been a human in Dragon Age so i'm fine with being human again. I know i'm going to buy DA3 because i'm a fan of the franchise and I really want to see what the DA team has cooked up for us now, I assume we wont be as dissapointed with the game as people think. Right now all I care about is getting more info on the game right now.

I agree. I'm really interested in these backgrounds.   Im going to pre order and I won't make my review until I've done at least two playthroughs.

I played all the races in Origins too but I tend to play more non humans in online games so it just never bothered me.

I just see no point in judging a game thats not even out yet.

[Stella-Arc]

Don't get me wrong, I love my Wardens but as long as the backgrounds you choose have a lasting impact then I don't care.

[Kalas Magnus]

 i wanted a da1 set-up where you can pick the background of the character.

Modifié par Kalas321, 25 janvier 2013 - 06:20 .

[DoomBlackDragon]

I am sad with it only being human. While it not a game breaker. This also kills replay vaule. Now let me explain while.

In Dragon Age Origin. I played the game at less 10 times. Tring to see how many different ways the games unfolded based on race and gender.

You can see limiting use to human mean you limite the replay around  3 times. Maybe more for dedicated players but really once you played Warrior/rogue, mage. We will have seen it.

Also I remember what happiened when the last time you forced use to a pure human Dragon Age game. *gives Dragon Age 2 a glear of death.* We thought the game would give you more ability to focus on the story and action.

I hate to say it but I played DA2 2 times. Doing my first time. I was a templar who helped the mages. Which did not go so well as I felt the story was poor. Even worse was when none of the mages seem to comment or care I was a templar.  The story soon shown that nothing I did matter and no one cared. When I made a blood mage. Which no one seemed to care that I was one.


Point I am tring ot make is. DAO had alot of depth and felt alive. You worked so hard making sure racistim and hated for mages where alive and well in DAO. The lore and this hand crafted universe shined so brightly in this world. Then you gave use DA2 and it felt like you guys just threw it at us as a cheap cash grab. Which I still calling DA2 a cash grab as that is still on my top 25 worse list.

I had better hope that if you going to focus on a human only compain. You will give the story and lore the love it desiervse. Also I would love to see mages actully shin in this game. You have to frost bite 2 engine. Let us blow stuff up.

[Mantaal]

DomRod95 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I play non humans in Guild Wars 2, so being a human again does NOT bother me in the slightest.

I also think its silly to judge a game before its even out yet and half the people who claim they won't be purchasing it will end up buying it anway.

You are so right. I think people complain about it just because they have nothing better to do. I understand people were disappointed with DA2 but after a while the complaining and whining gets old fast. I personally like the humans in Dragon Age, other games I try to mix it up a bit but i've always been a human in Dragon Age so i'm fine with being human again. I know i'm going to buy DA3 because i'm a fan of the franchise and I really want to see what the DA team has cooked up for us now, I assume we wont be as dissapointed with the game as people think. Right now all I care about is getting more info on the game right now.

No peoples complain because they dont like it. I have lots of stuff better to do. And an "I dont need anything other then human because i can play non Humans in another Game" is one of the dumbest things i ever heard. 

I dont judge the Game. I judge the things already missing in the Game. Even if the Game would be good it never can be as good as it could be with those Features missing. 
I find it very interesting that you dont care this missing feature, but you seem to think that everyone else should be like you. 
I dont care Romances in games but i respekt others who like and want it. I would never say Its good that they skip that in respekt to those peoples. Just because I personally dont need a feature, doest mean its good that featue will be skipped. 
To say, "I only play Humans so its ok they skip that feature and everyone else is just complaining because they have nothing better to do" is ignorance at the purest level. 

[powerchoke1]

I am fine with playing only a human character if there different origins you can chose from and it is a playable intro

[Uccio]

DomRod95 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I play non humans in Guild Wars 2, so being a human again does NOT bother me in the slightest.

I also think its silly to judge a game before its even out yet and half the people who claim they won't be purchasing it will end up buying it anway.

You are so right. I think people complain about it just because they have nothing better to do.

omg, you just figured all of us critics out. We just have nothing better to do! Good call there.

[TheShadowWolf911]

alright i'll level with you, WHY does said story only work with a human?

[Dutchess]

powerchoke1 wrote...

I am fine with playing only a human character if there different origins you can chose from and it is a playable intro

There will be no origins. At least not playable ones like in DAO. Just selectable backgrounds.