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[Uccio]

renjility wrote...

powerchoke1 wrote...

I am fine with playing only a human character if there different origins you can chose from and it is a playable intro

There will be no origins. At least not playable ones like in DAO. Just selectable backgrounds.

Now where did I see  this before? Hmm... thats right, ME. Get ready for Dragon Effect!

[LobselVith8]

DomRod95 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I play non humans in Guild Wars 2, so being a human again does NOT bother me in the slightest.

I also think its silly to judge a game before its even out yet and half the people who claim they won't be purchasing it will end up buying it anway.

You are so right. I think people complain about it just because they have nothing better to do. I understand people were disappointed with DA2 but after a while the complaining and whining gets old fast. I personally like the humans in Dragon Age, other games I try to mix it up a bit but i've always been a human in Dragon Age so i'm fine with being human again. I know i'm going to buy DA3 because i'm a fan of the franchise and I really want to see what the DA team has cooked up for us now, I assume we wont be as dissapointed with the game as people think. Right now all I care about is getting more info on the game right now. 

Not everyone feels the same way as you do about the news, and I don't see why they should be silent simply because they don't share the same views you do. Not everyone has the same interest in the humans of Thedas that you do; there are some of us who find human protagonists to be incredibly boring, and would prefer to play as an elven or dwarven protagonist. I certainly find their cultures and history more fascinating than their human counterparts.

Right now, I'm undecided as to whether I'll purchase Inquisition. I know opinion seems to be mixed right now, given the information that's been released about the next Dragon Age game. Some people were disappointed with Dragon Age II, and some of us are disappointed with the direction Inquisition seems to be taking as well. This thread was intended for people to express their opinion on this news, so I don't see why anyone should be surprised that some of us aren't happy with the news.

You're entitled to your opinion, but so are we. It seems like Inquisition is taking a lot of cues from Dragon Age II, and hardly any from Origins. For some fans, these things are deal-breakers, and some have already expressed they won't purchase Inquisition because they dislike human protagonists in fantasy games. I think having another human protagonist in a fantasy game is cliché and boring, personally.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 25 janvier 2013 - 07:15 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

I would like to see, what they would wrote if Biowar announced a only Dwarf/Elf/Kossind protag for DA 3 without any possibility to choose the  human race:D

but actually I do not, I already know it.

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 25 janvier 2013 - 07:56 .

[Herr Uhl]

Ukki wrote...

Now where did I see  this before? Hmm... thats right, ME. Get ready for Dragon Effect!

That is about as fair as calling ME Arcanum Effect.

[Mantaal]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Now where did I see  this before? Hmm... thats right, ME. Get ready for Dragon Effect!

That is about as fair as calling ME Arcanum Effect.

What is Arcanum?

[Asdrubael Vect]

Herr Uhl wrote...
That is about as fair as calling ME Arcanum Effect.

HOW DARE YOU?!

[hexaligned]

Mantaal wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Now where did I see  this before? Hmm... thats right, ME. Get ready for Dragon Effect!

That is about as fair as calling ME Arcanum Effect.

What is Arcanum?

Old school PC game.  Steampunk setting.  It's essentially Fallout 2 with the option to play fantasy/magic classes as well as gun toting ones.

[Mantaal]

relhart wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Now where did I see  this before? Hmm... thats right, ME. Get ready for Dragon Effect!

That is about as fair as calling ME Arcanum Effect.

What is Arcanum?

Old school PC game.  Steampunk setting.  It's essentially Fallout 2 with the option to play fantasy/magic classes as well as gun toting ones.

Ah i think i remember. I didnt play it very long so i dont remember much of it. 

[JerZey CJ]

relhart wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Now where did I see  this before? Hmm... thats right, ME. Get ready for Dragon Effect!

That is about as fair as calling ME Arcanum Effect.

What is Arcanum?

Old school PC game.  Steampunk setting.  It's essentially Fallout 2 with the option to play fantasy/magic classes as well as gun toting ones.

...That sounds awesome. Just from that description, I want some Dev to make a sequel/reboot to it.

[vitae-vixi]

A human protagonist.... again?! This disappoints me very much if we are having another human only protagonist. Origins was so rich in it's diversity and now, yet again (if this is so) with a new game we are being forced into a bland human role again.

Origin's Human Noble was nice, sure, I enjoyed it so I could have a Warrior Noble who became queen of Ferelden and knocked Anora off her high horse. But really? I play elves over and over again in DA:O. I love being a city elf or a mage elf from the circle. And the dwarven noble quest line was a work of genius, I loved it. I loved the fumbling between races, the differences of opinion, the amusing dialogue differences.

DA2 was a bland experience with a limited replay value compared to the richness of DA:O where the uncovering of different dialogue or viewpoint changed the perception of a universe.

Please give us that variety again writers! I'm a human every day of my life, let me escape!

[In Exile]

vitae-vixi wrote...
Please give us that variety again writers! I'm a human every day of my life, let me escape!

They do. Unless you cast spells and kill darkspawn. In which case, msg me?

[vitae-vixi]

In Exile wrote...

vitae-vixi wrote...
Please give us that variety again writers! I'm a human every day of my life, let me escape!

They do. Unless you cast spells and kill darkspawn. In which case, msg me?

Heheh  - point. Only in my dreams my friend, only in my dreams... makes for some strange dreams... especially when mixed in with old school teachers I haven't seen for 10 years...

Naw, you know what I mean. I am a human, I want to see things from a different point of view, an oppressed view, a racist view, an isolationist view. The different origins give you that - it makes the experience richer.

[In Exile]

vitae-vixi wrote...
Naw, you know what I mean. I am a human, I want to see things from a different point of view, an oppressed view, a racist view, an isolationist view. The different origins give you that - it makes the experience richer.

I don't disagree. I'm just personally not a fan of aliens and fantasy races - they're just people with cheap star trek make-up to me, always.

[vitae-vixi]

In Exile wrote...

vitae-vixi wrote...
Naw, you know what I mean. I am a human, I want to see things from a different point of view, an oppressed view, a racist view, an isolationist view. The different origins give you that - it makes the experience richer.

I don't disagree. I'm just personally not a fan of aliens and fantasy races - they're just people with cheap star trek make-up to me, always.

Perhaps, perhaps. In essence any fantasy race is merely an examplar of a trait or difference between factions in the human race. Making a race or even a different class i.e 'mage' is really just a way of making an obvious difference even more pronounced. 

For example if we take the Qunari and equate them to certain realife religions nationstates they become easier to understand.

During times litarary censorship people wrote novels or plays to hide their dissention and the novels became popular because people recosgnised the views disguised within them. For example King Lear or Caleb Williams. Although DA is not censored it's easy to play on people's insecurities by using different races with obvious real world parralles. And... because this strikes a chord in people they get a buzz from it, it's considered a great emotional / intellectual ride yadda yadda yadda...

Sometimes it's just a change of aesthetic people like, or perhaps an option of a slightly diffrent personality, something more "flighty" or more "stoic"...

Just some thoughts there XD....

Modifié par vitae-vixi, 25 janvier 2013 - 11:58 .

[In Exile]

vitae-vixi wrote...
Perhaps, perhaps. In essence any fantasy race is merely an examplar of a trait or difference between factions in the human race.

See, that's one of the reasons I'm usually not a fan of fantasy races or aliens - they're usually a one-note species with a single culture. 

During times litarary censorship people wrote novels or plays to hide their dissention and the novels became popular because people recosgnised the views disguised within them. For example King Lear or Caleb Williams. Although DA is not censored it's easy to play on people's insecurities by using different races with obvious real world parralles.

No, I agree that things like racial tensions, in a video-game, cross the line, and fantasy races get us there. 

Sometimes it's just a change of aesthetic people like, or perhaps an option of a slightly diffrent personality, something more "flighty" or more "stoic"...

Just some thoughts there XD....

Interesting thoughts! I'm just not a fan of the aesthetic. 

[draken-heart]

I am not caring about the protagonist's race. All I want to know right now is if we are going to be able to become Bards.

[KotorEffect3]

As much as I like being an axe wielding dwarf, I'll live. Just have to be a greatsword wielding human instead.

[Mantaal]

In Exile wrote...

vitae-vixi wrote...
Naw, you know what I mean. I am a human, I want to see things from a different point of view, an oppressed view, a racist view, an isolationist view. The different origins give you that - it makes the experience richer.

I don't disagree. I'm just personally not a fan of aliens and fantasy races - they're just people with cheap star trek make-up to me, always.

I respekt your opinion. But you really have to make a difference here. If you take Star Trek.. then i agree with you. Klingons are just Aggresive Mongolish Humans with Makeup for examble. 
But there are other Races they are so different to Humans, with thier own Cultures you cant just give some humans makeup and say its the same then a Human. 
Drow for examble. You really cant say they are small black humans with poity ears. There are lots of books about thier different Cultures and they act like no human would ever do. And its very interesting to learn and explore those cultures and differences. 

It also depends on the Age of the Fantasy universe they live in. If you look at the old Star Trek series with Cpt. Kirk you will see the Klingons are very cheap and bland. In the newer onces they started to get a bit more deeper cultures and more differences. They still kinda "humanlike" but it got better. 
The elves and dwarfes in the DA universe are also still a bit casually. But its a new Universe. They still need work to get some depth. But just skipping them out will not make it better.

Drow would never be where they are now if R.A. Salvatore or Richard Lee Byers would have skipped them out and didnt make thier books. 

Drow are only one Examble.. i could also insert the Firn Elves of The Dark Eye here. They are so different to Humans as another Culture could be.  

[Recycled Human]

Someone touched on this a bit and I wanted to highlight it because it is such a good point: This is about branding.

When DAO was pitched as a new franchise to me it was as a fantasy game that was a spiritual successor to baldurs gate featuring six unique playable openings. One of the first articles I read was from a reviewer who played as a casteless dwarf but mentioned that he could have just as easily been a noble dwarf but the humble beginnings hero really appealed to him. When I speak to people about origins any story they offer starts out 'my dalish elf warden' or 'my Amell warden' etc.

Perhaps bioware would argue that this was an unintended side effect of putting in a feature they thought would be cool and forgot to cut because of budgeting. More likely they realized that this was something that would make their game stand out.

This is a part of your brand guys, origins set the bar pretty high, as carver said are you going 'to sit around talking about how great you used to be'? You could do that, I'd be happy to tell everyone I meet about how awesome origins was (so branded that if I call it by a simple feature everyone knows what I mean...but I digress). But when anyone asks about DA2 I've always replied the same 'if you're a die hard fan, DA2 is good, the combat is great but otherwise don't bother'. What a difference!

I'm not judging da3 before it comes out, I'm just being skeptical because I see you taking another stride away from your brand.

[Mantaal]

Recycled Human wrote...

Someone touched on this a bit and I wanted to highlight it because it is such a good point: This is about branding.

When DAO was pitched as a new franchise to me it was as a fantasy game that was a spiritual successor to baldurs gate featuring six unique playable openings. One of the first articles I read was from a reviewer who played as a casteless dwarf but mentioned that he could have just as easily been a noble dwarf but the humble beginnings hero really appealed to him. When I speak to people about origins any story they offer starts out 'my dalish elf warden' or 'my Amell warden' etc.

Perhaps bioware would argue that this was an unintended side effect of putting in a feature they thought would be cool and forgot to cut because of budgeting. More likely they realized that this was something that would make their game stand out.

This is a part of your brand guys, origins set the bar pretty high, as carver said are you going 'to sit around talking about how great you used to be'? You could do that, I'd be happy to tell everyone I meet about how awesome origins was (so branded that if I call it by a simple feature everyone knows what I mean...but I digress). But when anyone asks about DA2 I've always replied the same 'if you're a die hard fan, DA2 is good, the combat is great but otherwise don't bother'. What a difference!

I'm not judging da3 before it comes out, I'm just being skeptical because I see you taking another stride away from your brand.

Thats kinda the point. No one would ever blame Bioware to have Shepard in ME 2 or 3. Its the other way around. I would blame Bioware if there would NOT be a Shepard in those games. But thats ME. 
If Bioware would do another Bladurs gate and give you the option to just play a Human Warrior named Eagle.. i think Fans would just shake thier Heads and walk away. No matter how much bloodshed and Sex scenes they adding to the game... 

[Jonata]

Dark Korsar wrote...

I would like to see, what they would wrote if Biowar announced a only Dwarf/Elf/Kossind protag for DA 3 without any possibility to choose the  human race:D

but actually I do not, I already know it.

Could've been a PR suicide perhaps, but one of the most ballsy move ever.

Games like Dead Space 3 and Dark Souls 2 are trying to uniform to sell, risking a lot of what makes them unique for marketing purpose. Now if BioWare went in the opposite direction and made a fantasy game without the mandatory human protagonist? What a statement.

It won't happen, however. Because that kind of game won't sell, BioWare would risk to disappear completely, and so while we could have a truly original RPG we won't have a BioWare anymore. 

[Aolbain]

I hope they get back to origins/different races in the future, but I also get that they have to cut corners. Maybe some day we will be "forced" to play dwarfs(retaking the lost thaigs) or elves(elven revolution!).

[Sharn01]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

relhart wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Now where did I see  this before? Hmm... thats right, ME. Get ready for Dragon Effect!

That is about as fair as calling ME Arcanum Effect.

What is Arcanum?

Old school PC game.  Steampunk setting.  It's essentially Fallout 2 with the option to play fantasy/magic classes as well as gun toting ones.

...That sounds awesome. Just from that description, I want some Dev to make a sequel/reboot to it.

Shadowrun Returns comes out this year, its sci-fi instead of steampunk, but its got the fantasy, magic mixed with guns and technology thing going for it.

[LliiraAnna]

Just voicing my opinion.

I enjoy the possibility to play as a non-human. In games that allow such a choice I rarely, if ever, play as a human - the same goes for DAO.
Still, I cannot say that I will dislike the game - or that I will not buy it - solely because the protagonist will be human. There are plenty of things other than this that make the game worth playing. If they really will make the PC's background matter in dialogues and quests, I guess I will be more or less satisfied.

Again, that's only imo

[bEVEsthda]

I'll reiterate my feelings.

The main disappointment, is that it reinforces the suspicion that Bioware intends us a "game" that consists of a very narrow and constricted story, which cinematics we are supposed to marvel at, between fighting battles. Just as we are supposed to be delighted and surprised by what "our" character says during dialogues.

Declaring instead that DA3 will get 'Origins' again, would have been such a fantastic, different message. Of hope.

Why am I still so bitter?
I've told myself not to be. I've told myself to just wait and see. I've told myself to give Bioware a fair chance. And to give DA3 a fair chance.
It seems reasonable, doesn't it?

Why, why, why would Bioware ever try to do another DA2, just more polished?  No, surely it cannot be?