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[upsettingshorts]

Palipride47 wrote...

I will diagree on the bolded point, in that it may be your play style, but not mine. If they can smush them together nicely (which I think DAO does) then, sure, I'm 100% for it. 

If they can't, then I will relegate it to whatever they chose (and if I can't enjoy it with my more "old-school immersion" style, I'll stop).

Yeah but here's the thing.

Why is BioWare the one that has to deliver this approach, if - as Fast Jimmy says - DA2 is broadly the way BioWare wants to go whats stopping any of you guys from saying, "Oh well" and hopping over to Project Eternity/Wasteland 2?  They could use the support.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:36 .

[Palipride47]

Rawgrim wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Your human character is also an andrastian (confirmed). meaning you don`t even get to pick your characters beliefs.

Really? REALLY?! *sigh*

You may not able to be Qunari, but you can "believe" differently than Pro-Chantry, Pro-Templars, even as an Andrastian.

Just like anyone in RL who follows any religion. 

Yes. But if you play as a catholic, you can`t have your character be a hindu, budhist, muslim, or an atheist.

But why are you assuming that you are already Andrastian? And what does "Andrastian" mean in this context? 

Because you *might* be working for the Chantry?- You *might* have been blackmailed.
Because you live in Andrastian lands?- Well, there are Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists here in America who have to deal with the permeation of Chirstianity in the landscape. 

Or if it is that you have been forced to believe in the Maker and the Chantry? (which has NOT BEEN CONFIRMED) 

[Withidread]

Disappointing, I was hoping for a return to racial variety in our protagonist. Or at the very least, something other than human.

[Emzamination]

Rawgrim wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Your human character is also an andrastian (confirmed). meaning you don`t even get to pick your characters beliefs.

Really? REALLY?! *sigh*

You may not able to be Qunari, but you can "believe" differently than Pro-Chantry, Pro-Templars, even as an Andrastian.

Just like anyone in RL who follows any religion. 

Yes. But if you play as a catholic, you can`t have your character be a hindu, budhist, muslim, or an atheist.

I notice you conveniently cut out where she asked for confirmation.So now I'm asking -- Confirmation? You can't make absolute declarations like that without sources.

[Rawgrim]

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Your human character is also an andrastian (confirmed). meaning you don`t even get to pick your characters beliefs.

Really? REALLY?! *sigh*

You may not able to be Qunari, but you can "believe" differently than Pro-Chantry, Pro-Templars, even as an Andrastian.

Just like anyone in RL who follows any religion. 

Yes. But if you play as a catholic, you can`t have your character be a hindu, budhist, muslim, or an atheist.

I notice you conveniently cut out where she asked for confirmation.So now I'm asking -- Confirmation? You can't make absolute declarations like that without sources.

It was from a blog or an interview with Gaider or something. someone put it up earlier. I am sure you can find it in one of the sticky threads. I am not going to dig it up for you. You will just have to belive none of my arguments hold any truth to them, untill you see it for yourself.

[Palipride47]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

I will diagree on the bolded point, in that it may be your play style, but not mine. If they can smush them together nicely (which I think DAO does) then, sure, I'm 100% for it. 

If they can't, then I will relegate it to whatever they chose (and if I can't enjoy it with my more "old-school immersion" style, I'll stop).

Yeah but here's the thing.

Why is BioWare the one that has to deliver this approach, if - as Fast Jimmy says - DA2 is broadly the way BioWare wants to go whats stopping any of you guys from saying, "Oh well" and hopping over to Project Eternity/Wasteland 2?  They could use the support.

I don't think Bioware has to do anything. I think it would be prudent to do so.

And if I cannot deal with it, I will leave, and I may be bitter about it, but I'm not going to pretend they did it because Bioware/EA/Gaider and Co. hates me specifically and are cackling as they count their piles of cash about how nicely they crushed the hopes of "old school RPGers."

And I won't pretend your style is less "legitimate" than mine. It stinks of nostalgia-based pretension that gives all old school RPGers a bad name. And i receive it even from others who play like me base on the priniciple that my parents had sex too late for me to play Ultima. 

[The Elder King]

Palipride47 wrote...



But why are you assuming that you are already Andrastian? And what does "Andrastian" mean in this context? 

Because you *might* be working for the Chantry?- You *might* have been blackmailed.
Because you live in Andrastian lands?- Well, there are Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists here in America who have to deal with the permeation of Chirstianity in the landscape. 

Or if it is that you have been forced to believe in the Maker and the Chantry? (which has NOT BEEN CONFIRMED) 

You are forced to believe in the Maker, as in DA2 (we don't know if the aumont of dialogues where the PC will show is faith is the same of DA2, which is fairly low). About believing in the Chantry, we don't know. I hope it'll be limited in believing in the Maker, like in DA2. Hawke can criticize Elthina more than once during the game (I think in every Acts, but I'm not sure on this. I didn't play the game since April/May of last year).

[Palipride47]

Rawgrim wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Your human character is also an andrastian (confirmed). meaning you don`t even get to pick your characters beliefs.

Really? REALLY?! *sigh*

You may not able to be Qunari, but you can "believe" differently than Pro-Chantry, Pro-Templars, even as an Andrastian.

Just like anyone in RL who follows any religion. 

Yes. But if you play as a catholic, you can`t have your character be a hindu, budhist, muslim, or an atheist.

I notice you conveniently cut out where she asked for confirmation.So now I'm asking -- Confirmation? You can't make absolute declarations like that without sources.

It was from a blog or an interview with Gaider or something. someone put it up earlier. I am sure you can find it in one of the sticky threads. I am not going to dig it up for you. You will just have to belive none of my arguments hold any truth to them, untill you see it for yourself.

I know which one you are talking about. I also told Mallol and Justice in DAO and DAA I didn't believe in the Maker. So, there's that. 

[TEWR]

greengoron89 wrote...

A pity. Everyone knows dwarves are the master race.

Too many people are betraying their race in exchange for the Humans! We must show them the error of their ways!

Upsettingshorts wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace:
EpicBoot2daFace

 that made me laugh, how he gets his own category.

[upsettingshorts]

That's reasonable, though I'm not sure how strong any claims to prudence are without numbers we don't have consistent access to - namely, sales and costs - to back 'em up.

[Rawgrim]

Palipride47 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

I will diagree on the bolded point, in that it may be your play style, but not mine. If they can smush them together nicely (which I think DAO does) then, sure, I'm 100% for it. 

If they can't, then I will relegate it to whatever they chose (and if I can't enjoy it with my more "old-school immersion" style, I'll stop).

Yeah but here's the thing.

Why is BioWare the one that has to deliver this approach, if - as Fast Jimmy says - DA2 is broadly the way BioWare wants to go whats stopping any of you guys from saying, "Oh well" and hopping over to Project Eternity/Wasteland 2?  They could use the support.

I don't think Bioware has to do anything. I think it would be prudent to do so.

And if I cannot deal with it, I will leave, and I may be bitter about it, but I'm not going to pretend they did it because Bioware/EA/Gaider and Co. hates me specifically and are cackling as they count their piles of cash about how nicely they crushed the hopes of "old school RPGers."

And I won't pretend your style is less "legitimate" than mine. It stinks of nostalgia-based pretension that gives all old school RPGers a bad name. And i receive it even from others who play like me base on the priniciple that my parents had sex too late for me to play Ultima. 

Well...you could flip it around too. A fanbase who has supported Bioware and bought their products since they started making games, suddenly gets alienated because Bioware now wants to make action games instead, but still claims they are making rpgs to make sure their old fanbase buys some.

[Direwolf0294]

I'm really disappointed with this. Fantasy RPGs that don't allow race choice just feel wrong to me, I can't really explain it. I hope their idea of giving us races isn't to just have them as playable in multiplayer like ME3 has, because that would also be rather disappointing.

[upsettingshorts]

Rawgrim wrote...

Well...you could flip it around too. A fanbase who has supported Bioware and bought their products since they started making games, suddenly gets alienated because Bioware now wants to make action games instead, but still claims they are making rpgs to make sure their old fanbase buys some.

I'm claiming that BioWare's fanbase was always divided, they just didn't know it until Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect stuck a wedge in the gap.  Players like me and players like Sylvius the Mad were, up till then, enjoying BioWare games in our own way without any knowledge that the other existed.  

BioWare can either try to hold together two incompatible playstyles with their games, or pick sides, and I'd say they've picked.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:46 .

[AddieTheElf]

 Not having race selection felt like a huge blow to me - mostly because I kind of thought it would be brought back - but it's not a deal breaker for me, rather it's addition would've been an automatic pre-order. I'm sure the game has a bunch of other things that will make me want to buy it (or rather make me more excited, since I'm sure I'll buy it anyway), but I'm going to try not to get my hopes up too much. I can't wait to see how great the character customization will be though... just sucks I can't be an elf again.  but maybe one of the backgrounds will be elf-blooded human?  (at least there is no need to create new character models for that).  I just hope the game is awesome to make up for the lack of race selection. Make it worth it Bioware.  

[zooooooro]

Doesn't bother me, I always play human characters anyway.  Given that a big part of the story involves the conflict between mages and templars with the chantry seemingly caught in the middle, I can't imagine why most elves or any dwarves would be involved anyhow.

[Palipride47]

Rawgrim wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

I will diagree on the bolded point, in that it may be your play style, but not mine. If they can smush them together nicely (which I think DAO does) then, sure, I'm 100% for it. 

If they can't, then I will relegate it to whatever they chose (and if I can't enjoy it with my more "old-school immersion" style, I'll stop).

Yeah but here's the thing.

Why is BioWare the one that has to deliver this approach, if - as Fast Jimmy says - DA2 is broadly the way BioWare wants to go whats stopping any of you guys from saying, "Oh well" and hopping over to Project Eternity/Wasteland 2?  They could use the support.

I don't think Bioware has to do anything. I think it would be prudent to do so.

And if I cannot deal with it, I will leave, and I may be bitter about it, but I'm not going to pretend they did it because Bioware/EA/Gaider and Co. hates me specifically and are cackling as they count their piles of cash about how nicely they crushed the hopes of "old school RPGers."

And I won't pretend your style is less "legitimate" than mine. It stinks of nostalgia-based pretension that gives all old school RPGers a bad name. And i receive it even from others who play like me base on the priniciple that my parents had sex too late for me to play Ultima. 

Well...you could flip it around too. A fanbase who has supported Bioware and bought their products since they started making games, suddenly gets alienated because Bioware now wants to make action games instead, but still claims they are making rpgs to make sure their old fanbase buys some.

But that is the nature of the gaming industry, and if we don't like it, we can take our money and go support Project Eternity (never mind that I think they are just throiwng old school RPG names around to make us quiver in our loins and throw our money at them <_<) or something else.

ME3 got the things they wanted when they yelled loud enough, but they yelled loudly enough with ONE VOICE. If our voices are so disparate, they are not going to abandon one base for another (now that they essentially have two, with some people, like me, caught in the middle)

Modifié par Palipride47, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:46 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I guess I'm okay with it. I just hope we get Dragon Age games in the future, or expansions to Inquisition (standalone DLC like Leliana's Song) where we get to play as elves, dwarves, or even a Kossith.

Heck I'd be happy paying money to play an unnumbered Dragon Age sidequel game using the DA:O engine if only for a chance to play the Warden again one last time.

[Satyricon331]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
The short version is basically that now that I have a game that caters to my playstyle, why would I want to go back to simply having mine accomodated alongside others in what I consider a sort of clumsy hybrid? 

Upsettingshorts wrote...
[...]That's what compromises are about.  Learn to share, people.

Sometimes I think the Chinese government could take huge swathes of the BSN, translate it to Mandarin, and use it as successful anti-democracy propaganda.  

[Fast Jimmy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

@Fast Jimmy

I've spoken on this at length before, and broadly I agree with your observations but not your conclusion. Here's an old post, it's kinda off topic for here though.

The short version is basically that now that I have a game that caters to my playstyle, why would I want to go back to simply having mine accomodated alongside others in what I consider a sort of clumsy hybrid? 

Because, Shorts... you need to learn to Share. 





And because of Governing Dynamics. You're not ignoring the blone.

[Rawgrim]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Well...you could flip it around too. A fanbase who has supported Bioware and bought their products since they started making games, suddenly gets alienated because Bioware now wants to make action games instead, but still claims they are making rpgs to make sure their old fanbase buys some.

I'm claiming that BioWare's fanbase was always divided, they just didn't know it until Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect stuck a wedge in the gap.  Players like my and players like Sylvius the Mad were, up till then, enjoying BioWare games in our own way without any knowledge that the other existed.  

BioWare can either try to hold together two incompatible playstyles with their games, or pick sides, and I'd say they've picked.

I wasn`t really pointing any fingers. Just playing devil`s advocate. But I would say EA picked, not Bioware. Most of the old bioware people jumped ship.

[TheJediSaint]

greengoron89 wrote...

A pity. Everyone knows dwarves are the master race.

I don't think people whose diet consists nugs and mushroom beer get to be the "master race".

[Palipride47]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

@Fast Jimmy

I've spoken on this at length before, and broadly I agree with your observations but not your conclusion. Here's an old post, it's kinda off topic for here though.

The short version is basically that now that I have a game that caters to my playstyle, why would I want to go back to simply having mine accomodated alongside others in what I consider a sort of clumsy hybrid? 

Because, Shorts... you need to learn to Share. 





And because of Governing Dynamics. You're not ignoring the blone.

Sharing is Caring!  Can't we all just get along?

[upsettingshorts]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

@Fast Jimmy

I've spoken on this at length before, and broadly I agree with your observations but not your conclusion. Here's an old post, it's kinda off topic for here though.

The short version is basically that now that I have a game that caters to my playstyle, why would I want to go back to simply having mine accomodated alongside others in what I consider a sort of clumsy hybrid? 

Because, Shorts... you need to learn to Share. 

And because of Governing Dynamics. You're not ignoring the blone.

Sharing is cool, but not when what we both want is mutually exclusive.  

Rawgrim wrote...

I wasn`t really pointing any fingers. Just playing devil`s advocate. But I would say EA picked, not Bioware. Most of the old bioware people jumped ship.

That's not true.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:49 .

[Zevais]

 I am very dissapointed. It is not a deal breaker for me; I did enjoy Dragon Age II (though I enjoyed Origins far more).
I spend way more time on creating characters than I ever should. I love having many options including race. I see other games with races far from the standard human archtype, and they still have customization beyond that. Like I said, I am very dissapointed.
I know there has been mention of backgrounds and further human customization. Until I see the game, I do not believe I will have the feel of experiencing many different perspectives. 
Even if there wasn't really too much difference in the playthrough of Origins by playing different races from different perspectives, there was an effective illusion to me that I appreciated.
If I feel like I am playing the same character over and over, it kills replayability for me. For how much games cost these days and my lack of free time as I venture into adulthood, replayability is a big issue for me.

[Palipride47]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

@Fast Jimmy

I've spoken on this at length before, and broadly I agree with your observations but not your conclusion. Here's an old post, it's kinda off topic for here though.

The short version is basically that now that I have a game that caters to my playstyle, why would I want to go back to simply having mine accomodated alongside others in what I consider a sort of clumsy hybrid? 

Because, Shorts... you need to learn to Share. 

And because of Governing Dynamics. You're not ignoring the blone.

Sharing is cool, but not when what we both want is mutually exclusive.  

Can you clarify what you think is mutually exclusive?