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[Plaintiff]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

just wanted to put my 2 cents in and state that ANOTHER person is pissed at bioware for listening to EA

Just curious...do you really think that there was some intense focus study EA did that said Nonhumans don't buy as many video games as humans? Or that being inclusive to nonhumans drives away the much bigger human market?

Because I can't see EA caring much otherwise.

Actually, DA2's lesser sales figures are often attributed to boycotting of the product by Elven and Dwarven protest groups.

If you ask me, they should be grateful for what they get. For all their complaining, they don't have it nearly as bad as Naiads and Centaurs. I'm going to give a talk on species inclusivity in videogames (or rather the lack thereof) at the next meeting of my local PFNAC chapter.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 31 mai 2013 - 06:07 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Plaintiff wrote...
Actually, DA2's lesser sales figures are often attributed to boycotting of the product by Elven and Dwarven protest groups.

If you ask me, they should be grateful for what they get. For all their complaining, they don't have it nearly as bad as Naiads and Centaurs. I'm going to give a talk on species inclusivity in videogames (or rather the lack thereof) at the next meeting of my local PFNAC chapter.

That cursed Elven Liberation Front. Always spoiling everything.

[Allan Schumacher]

Actually, DA2's lesser sales figures are often attributed to boycotting of the product by Elven and Dwarven protest groups.

In my experience, people typically feel that the lesser sales of a game like DA2 is because of whatever feature it is that they dislike the most.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 31 mai 2013 - 08:00 .

[Renmiri1]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Actually, DA2's lesser sales figures are often attributed to boycotting of the product by Elven and Dwarven protest groups.

If you ask me, they should be grateful for what they get. For all their complaining, they don't have it nearly as bad as Naiads and Centaurs. I'm going to give a talk on species inclusivity in videogames (or rather the lack thereof) at the next meeting of my local PFNAC chapter.

That cursed Elven Liberation Front. Always spoiling everything.

Nah is the Front for Elven Liberation that always spoils things!!!  Splitters!

Modifié par Renmiri1, 31 mai 2013 - 08:13 .

[Teahuppoo]

humans are always my first choice

[LobselVith8]

Conduit0 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

but I realized that most of my enjoyment playing the different races came from the changes in what I imagined or head canoned as opposed to actual changes in the game.

It should be noted that for some, this is still a significant part of what they enjoy about the choice, even if the game itself doesn't really reflect it from a narrative perspective.

I certainly understand that, but my point is that I find the idea of people claiming they're refusing to play DA3 solely because it lacks a race option, a little ridiculous. 

Some people aren't interested in purchasing the Witcher games because they prefer games where they can play as a female protagonist. There's nothing silly about people who play games that entertain them, and who stay away from games that don't meet the critiera that they're looking for in a game. Some people stick with fantasy games where they can play as a fictional race. It's an issue of what a person finds to be entertaining. I certainly had plenty of issues playing as an Andrastian human in Dragon Age II when I find the fictional races to be more engaging and entertaining than their human counterparts.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 08 juin 2013 - 02:33 .

[kinderschlager]

lol, some one necroed this thread again i see

[Graywolfe]

Well it wont stop me from trying the game and my main character is usally a human. I do like playing the other races sometimes though and will miss the option to try different paths through the game with the other races. I was kinda hoping to try out a Qunarii this time .  I love to play the witcher games they give you no control at all over what kinda of character you have, so i'll survive this.

[Scoutmasta9]

To be honest, I love playing as an elf. I loved being a dalish elf rogue in Origins getting to play through and get an understanding of my origins story for a lot of reasons. One of the biggest reasons is because it was the only game that let me do it and executed it perfectly. I will probably still play DA3, but I still am disappointed, and indeed scratch my head at the fact that Bioware said they want to make the PC feel like your own character yet they get rid of the two options that made that very thing so successful in Origins.

I hope the above paragraph is actually readable :L

[The Great Xyz]

I would rather be an elf, but if I can't be one than I won't be mad.

Modifié par The Great Xyz, 08 juin 2013 - 02:28 .

[ArcaneJTM]

Scoutmasta9 wrote...

To be honest, I love playing as an elf. I loved being a dalish elf rogue in Origins getting to play through and get an understanding of my origins story for a lot of reasons. One of the biggest reasons is because it was the only game that let me do it and executed it perfectly. I will probably still play DA3, but I still am disappointed, and indeed scratch my head at the fact that Bioware said they want to make the PC feel like your own character yet they get rid of the two options that made that very thing so successful in Origins.

That does seem rather counterproductive, doesn't it.  One cannot encourage more creativity by reducing the room we have that we can be creative in.

Giving me a choice of three predetermined characters (or worse, three versions of the same character) does not make the one I pick my character.  Handing me the choice after letting me make my own is like taking someone to an all you can eat buffet dinner and telling them they are only allowed to have chicken and mashed potatos.

[SirGladiator]

I think its safe to say that in an ideal world, we'd have more options, but DAI is sounding like a very ambitious game, pretty awesome stuff, and the more they can focus their time and efforts on other important things, the better the game will be. I'd love to play as a dwarf, dwarves are cool and I hope we get to visit some more deep roads, I just love those. But so long as the game is awesome, I certainly don't 'mind' playing as a human, and if DAI gets back to the awesomeness, and success, of the original DA, I think they could easily use that foundation to bring about the return of more options in future games. So sure, it's disappointing in its way to 'have' to play as a human, but if it makes the story better and gives them more time to do what they need to do to make this the best DA game ever (which I believe it will be) then I'm all for it. I've played as a human plenty of times in the original DA anyway, there's nothing that isn't fun about it. Humans are cool, after all .

[MrCrabby]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Actually, DA2's lesser sales figures are often attributed to boycotting of the product by Elven and Dwarven protest groups.

In my experience, people typically feel that the lesser sales of a game like DA2 is because of whatever feature it is that they dislike the most.

I agree. The lesser sales were due to the terrible yet justified word of mouth by the franchises core audience. It will be interesting to see how Bioware doubles down on it's mistakes at E3.

I am disappointed that DA3 has no racial choices, but I am even more disappointed at the lack of origins or any real uniqueness for the player's character. But at least in exchange for all these losses you'll get to keep your precious voice acting. A feature hardly anyone even asked for.

Of course, in the unlikely event that the game looks awesome it will probably get better word of mouth than it otherwise would have had DA2 not been so awful.

Modifié par MrCrabby, 09 juin 2013 - 10:04 .

[thejellnuggz]

I really wanted to play and elf or a dwarf or even a kossith, but who knows, maybe they'll surprise us tomorrow and state that they brought back racial options - though that's just wishful thinking on my part.

I'm worried we might not be able to play as a different race ever again, which will be boring as all hell in my opinion. But I guess if the story is good I've got nothing to complain about.

[Eyerock]

I do hope that DA:I will be a huge success and gain trust from sceptics. Maybe then bioware will be more willing to take more chances when it comes to choosing the next games hero.

Sometimes change has to be forced.

[Angrywolves]

I would have preferred the,option to play as an elf, dwarf, or qunari as well as a human . I'll still buy the game IF it's good.

[Nefla]

Eyerock wrote...

I do hope that DA:I will be a huge success and gain trust from sceptics. Maybe then bioware will be more willing to take more chances when it comes to choosing the next games hero.

Sometimes change has to be forced.

Or maybe they will decide that they've found a winning formula and that everyone loves playing as a human only(or will at least buy the game even if they'd prefer a different race) and therefore continue to make their games human only. This seems most likely to me.

[LucianaIV]

Considering that my main in DA:O was a Dalish Elf that I very, very much valued, I am obviously not happy with this decision.

Though one could see it coming miles away when they did the human only thing in DA2, DA3 has to bring A LOT to the table for me to get it, including a proper cameo of The Warden, otherwise I doubt I'll be interested enough to get it.

DA2 was already a let down in regards to a Dalish Warden at least, I think I quite literally heard the name Mahariel once.

Leliana was a nice touch though I suppose I had too high expectations for that encounter as well.

Modifié par LucianaIV, 10 juin 2013 - 09:19 .

[Myrmedus]

Plaintiff wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

just wanted to put my 2 cents in and state that ANOTHER person is pissed at bioware for listening to EA

Just curious...do you really think that there was some intense focus study EA did that said Nonhumans don't buy as many video games as humans? Or that being inclusive to nonhumans drives away the much bigger human market?

Because I can't see EA caring much otherwise.

Actually, DA2's lesser sales figures are often attributed to boycotting of the product by Elven and Dwarven protest groups.

If you ask me, they should be grateful for what they get. For all their complaining, they don't have it nearly as bad as Naiads and Centaurs. I'm going to give a talk on species inclusivity in videogames (or rather the lack thereof) at the next meeting of my local PFNAC chapter.

You really do get some absolute mental cases on these forums.

[Whitering]

When I started my first character in DAO I started as a human noble female, and the origin was pretty good; it's basically the same for male/female there. Then there is an amazing mod by DahliaLynn for a Royal Wedding, which you only get as a Female Human, maybe just nobles there, I don't remember.

techwench did a Dalish-Zevran wedding which was good but I wanted one for City Elf.

City Elf - Female (it's different at a couple key parts for males) is the most gripping, awesome intro to a franchise of all time in my opinion, but then as the game progresses, it's more human centered, still, I find Denerim (alienage) to be more impactful when you go back, Orzimmar was kind of underwhelming for a returning Dwarf.

There are more mods for the human characters on the Nexus than the non-human ones, so judging by the interest there aren't as many of us who prefer playing Elves and Dwarves.

I am already a human irl, I kind of like to RP something different.

Having said that, a solely human protagonist won't keep my from playing DAI, that would be unfair since it didn't keep me from playing ME, Kotor 1&2 or the Witcher series, but it is a let down after the stellar diversity in DAO. It seems like an area they could have gained some ground with those of us who are completely anti DA2. That's not one of the reasons I didn't play DA2, but it would have showed a small move back towards a game I still love to this day (DAO obviously).

[TheShadowWolf911]

ever since i saw Sten, i wanted to be a Qunari.

Also i have made it a personal rule to never play a human if given a choice as i already am a human in real life, and humans are boring as hell, in terms of being 'special' (or Mary Sues in Fantasy and Sci-Fi universes (i'm looking at you Mass Effect)), they are special in that they breed quickly and with anything that moves.

[Vegielamb]

Masha Potato wrote...

To elaborate, my main gripe with the lack of racial choice is that humans are pretty much the most priveleged group in Thedas. Okay, noble dwarves are too but that's beyond the point. That automatically makes me feel some embarassment and/or straight out dislike the protagonist. Even if i try to help all the city elves or invite all casteless dwarves to live at my house, that still makes me feel like the PC is just a jerkface "ally" sticking their nose in all the places and always making it about themselves. It does take some deal of motivation out of things.

Of course i also can see mage/templar thing as mostly human mess, with Chantry being a human institution, and in case DAIII:I is focusing on that again human-only PC does make sense. So wev, i'll live.

Still sadness.

Yep. I'm very disapointed in this decision. I don't care at all about white bread humans in the DA universe; I do care a lot about the city elves and the dwarves and find their relationship with the DA world more interesting.

[Vegielamb]

City Elf - Female (it's different at a couple key parts for males) is the most gripping, awesome intro to a franchise of all time in my opinion, but then as the game progresses, it's more human centered, still, I find Denerim (alienage) to be more impactful when you go back, Orzimmar was kind of underwhelming for a returning Dwarf.

There are more mods for the human characters on the Nexus than the non-human ones, so judging by the interest there aren't as many of us who prefer playing Elves and Dwarves.

I am already a human irl, I kind of like to RP something different.

Having said that, a solely human protagonist won't keep my from playing DAI, that would be unfair since it didn't keep me from playing ME, Kotor 1&2 or the Witcher series, but it is a let down after the stellar diversity in DAO. It seems like an area they could have gained some ground with those of us who are completely anti DA2. That's not one of the reasons I didn't play DA2, but it would have showed a small move back towards a game I still love to this day (DAO obviously).

Yeah, this is how I feel. I'd never played anything that made me so into the game. And now it just feels like Bioware is throwing all that away by making us play as the racist evil **** humans, with their mage slave camps, and arrogant attitudes.

[Androme]

Vegielamb wrote...

City Elf - Female (it's different at a couple key parts for males) is the most gripping, awesome intro to a franchise of all time in my opinion, but then as the game progresses, it's more human centered, still, I find Denerim (alienage) to be more impactful when you go back, Orzimmar was kind of underwhelming for a returning Dwarf.

There are more mods for the human characters on the Nexus than the non-human ones, so judging by the interest there aren't as many of us who prefer playing Elves and Dwarves.

I am already a human irl, I kind of like to RP something different.

Having said that, a solely human protagonist won't keep my from playing DAI, that would be unfair since it didn't keep me from playing ME, Kotor 1&2 or the Witcher series, but it is a let down after the stellar diversity in DAO. It seems like an area they could have gained some ground with those of us who are completely anti DA2. That's not one of the reasons I didn't play DA2, but it would have showed a small move back towards a game I still love to this day (DAO obviously).

Yeah, this is how I feel. I'd never played anything that made me so into the game. And now it just feels like Bioware is throwing all that away by making us play as the racist evil **** humans, with their mage slave camps, and arrogant attitudes.

Oh humans are all evil racists that keep slaves.

I'm willing to bet my life you'd say the same about whites irl.

[Aolbain]

Vegielamb wrote...

City Elf - Female (it's different at a couple key parts for males) is the most gripping, awesome intro to a franchise of all time in my opinion, but then as the game progresses, it's more human centered, still, I find Denerim (alienage) to be more impactful when you go back, Orzimmar was kind of underwhelming for a returning Dwarf.

There are more mods for the human characters on the Nexus than the non-human ones, so judging by the interest there aren't as many of us who prefer playing Elves and Dwarves.

I am already a human irl, I kind of like to RP something different.

Having said that, a solely human protagonist won't keep my from playing DAI, that would be unfair since it didn't keep me from playing ME, Kotor 1&2 or the Witcher series, but it is a let down after the stellar diversity in DAO. It seems like an area they could have gained some ground with those of us who are completely anti DA2. That's not one of the reasons I didn't play DA2, but it would have showed a small move back towards a game I still love to this day (DAO obviously).

Yeah, this is how I feel. I'd never played anything that made me so into the game. And now it just feels like Bioware is throwing all that away by making us play as the racist evil **** humans, with their mage slave camps, and arrogant attitudes.

Instead of those racist evil dwarfs, with their enforced slums and arrogant attitudes? Or those racist evil Qunaris, with their slave camps and arrogant attitudes? Or those racist evil elves, with their genocidal tendencies and arrogant attitudes?