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[Blastback]

deuce985 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Last I saw, Origins had still sold more than ME2. By a decent number. I don't know about 3 though. And I think all of that was without factoring digital sales.

ME3 sold 3.5 million just a week from release. Probably safe to say, it easily surpassed DAO.

ME3 is Bioware's biggest commercial success.

Maybe.  But do you know how well sales continued?  The ending backlash could have made a big dent.  And I know that some retailers like Amazon were giving fairly large numbers of refunds. 

That said, I could see ME3 being Bioware's biggest hit.

[Palipride47]

Morroian wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Last I saw, Origins had still sold more than ME2. By a decent number. I don't know about 3 though. And I think all of that was without factoring digital sales.

ME3 sold 3.5 million just a week from release. Probably safe to say, it easily surpassed DAO.

ME3 is Bioware's biggest commercial success.

There were some anecdotal statements that ME2 sold more than DAO but no hard numbers ever appeared.

LAST WORD FROM ME!

When I went into my local Gamestop, I saw:

Dragon Age Origins on XBox for sale for 29.99
Dragon Age Awakening on XBox for sale for 19.99
Mass Effect 3 on XBox for sale for 19.99
Dragon Age 2 on XBox for sale for 14.99

That is it. 

[upsettingshorts]

@Sylvius Gonna take this to PM

[LobselVith8]

MorningBird wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The option for The Warden to say he didn't believe in the Maker was present in both Origins and Awakening. My Surana Warden said the Maker wasn't a deity he followed[/b], condemned the Chantry over the Dales, told Leliana that Andraste was simply a woman, and informed Justice that he didn't believe in the Maker. I'd say atheism as we know it was present by virtue of being able to not believe in "god."

... Implying that there IS a diety he DOES follow?  So... not Atheist?  Because, once again, that is the only statement Gaider was making in his post: that straight up Atheism doesn't really exist in Thedas...

Considering my Surana Warden was raised in a society that worships only one god: no.

No atheism? Yet there are options to express atheist views in Origins and Awakening, as I pointed out.

MorningBird wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Furthermore, the player had[/i] to play a religious Andrastian with Hawke, who says he hopes the Maker guides Feynriel (who believes in the Creators) and believes Leandra is with the Maker.

Except, I'm fairly certain Hawke doesn't say this in EVERY circumstance.  At least, I don't recall my Hawke involving the Maker's name in anything save for a diplomatic playthrough, and you can easily chalk that up to him/her taking the religious beliefs of others into consideration when attempting to comfort someone (ex. their family.)

Having said that, claiming that Feynriel believes in the 'Creators' seems fairly baseless to me, considering how little we actually know about him.  He was living in a human city and idolized a human father.  If he believed in the Creators at all, I would say it's to the same capacity as Pol... a runaway city elf that escaped to the Dalish and is trying to learn their ways, but hasn't forgotten all they knew of the Maker.  Whether or not Feynriel is/becomes devote is anyone's guess, but if you let him leave for Tevinter, he seems keen enough to trade religions for a second/third time, so I'd hardly call him devote...

Let's address the problem here: Hawke is religiously Andrastian, without giving me a choice in the matter.

Re: Feynriel, What are you talking about? He can't believe in the Creators because he wants a relationship with his father, despite his dialogue confirming he believes in the Dalish gods? And he doesn't surrender his religious views when he heads to Tevinter.

[Emzamination]

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No, no it's not.

That explains quite a bit.

Don't keep me in suspense... Such as?

[LinksOcarina]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

...als I should point out the 75,000 backers Project Eternity got would hardly even register on that chart. 

That's an apples to oranges comparison.  WIth DAO and DA2 buyers, they were buying a finished game that had been heavily marketed.  With PE, the backers are funding a game that doesn't even exist yet, won't for 2 years, and received no mass market promotion at all.

Wait, they only have ~$4m to pay their entire Orange County-based team for two years?  I thought it was one.  How big is their team? 

Dude, read the rest of my comment.  Why would we assume they only have $4 million?

They raised $4 million with Kickstarter.  There's no rule that says they can't use any of their own money.  As an independent developer, that's generally how they fund their games prior to securing a publisher.

To be fair, a lot of websites promoted Project Eternity through news and interviews. And hell, most of us on here knew about it (and contributed) because were RPG nuts who follow this stuff.

The $4 million is a pittance regardless of if they throw in their own money or not. That does make it niche, and untested. I just hope that Obsidian makes the game within the parameters they outlined, because what worries me still is how they will cater to 70,000 backers who think differently, even if they feel they are all on the same page. 

[WhiteThunder]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

...als I should point out the 75,000 backers Project Eternity got would hardly even register on that chart. 

That's an apples to oranges comparison.  WIth DAO and DA2 buyers, they were buying a finished game that had been heavily marketed.  With PE, the backers are funding a game that doesn't even exist yet, won't for 2 years, and received no mass market promotion at all.

Wait, they only have ~$4m to pay their entire Orange County-based team for two years?  I thought it was one.  How big is their team? 

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Given that DA:O's development idea was to make a "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate," their previously most successful game, I'd say... no. 

You misunderstand what I mean.  I mean they've literally been coming to the boards and saying, "This is what we want to do and we know everyone isn't going to like it" for months now.  Which is what you 

18 months, not two years.  And it's supposed to be a pretty small team, and considering that most of the project leads are partners, not salaried employees, that probably cuts out the most expensive parts of creating a game.

(Total layman here, just making an assumption)

[labargegrrrl]

Palipride47 wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

wow. i walked away from a forum about human-only pc's for a couple of hours and came back to...

what are you people even talking about?

The best I can tell, as little as possible.

And we are loving it.

Maybe we should rage on a new thread? 

not necessarily.  i was just confused because one of the threads i follow because i'm interested in the topic turned into one of those threads i grab some popcorn and watch for entertainment value.  

and all i had to do was walk away to go grocery shopping!   

All I had to was sit here and respond....but I'm going to let my last post related to the rage be the last word before I burst some head vessels and die before we even hear if the LIs will be bisexual or "set"

saving our rage for what counts, are we?  

at least no one's used the word "realism" in this thread, right?  

[wsandista]

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No, no it's not.

That explains quite a bit.

Don't keep me in suspense... Such as?

It explains your reading comprehension problems and frequent misspelling.

[Blastback]

Palipride47 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Last I saw, Origins had still sold more than ME2. By a decent number. I don't know about 3 though. And I think all of that was without factoring digital sales.

ME3 sold 3.5 million just a week from release. Probably safe to say, it easily surpassed DAO.

ME3 is Bioware's biggest commercial success.

There were some anecdotal statements that ME2 sold more than DAO but no hard numbers ever appeared.

LAST WORD FROM ME!

When I went into my local Gamestop, I saw:

Dragon Age Origins on XBox for sale for 29.99
Dragon Age Awakening on XBox for sale for 19.99
Mass Effect 3 on XBox for sale for 19.99
Dragon Age 2 on XBox for sale for 14.99

That is it. 

That is worth mentioning, ME3's price dropped pretty dang fast. 

[upsettingshorts]

BrotherWarth wrote...

That's a nonsensical argument. That number is not representative of how many people would buy the finished product, only the number of people with enough confidence in the premise to pay for it to be made AND happened to have heard about the initiative. 

Didn't claim otherwise, that statement was made in the context of enthusiasm for PE is currently represented by numbers equivalent to a niche audience.  If it sells very well, that'd be fantastic.  I want it to succeed. I contributed.  

Took my PE conversation with Sylvius to PM, opening that to anyone else too.  This thread has been off topic long enough.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:01 .

[Palipride47]

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No, no it's not.

That explains quite a bit.

Don't keep me in suspense... Such as?

It explains your reading comprehension problems and frequent misspelling.

uhhh......*walking away* 

[wsandista]

Blastback wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Last I saw, Origins had still sold more than ME2. By a decent number. I don't know about 3 though. And I think all of that was without factoring digital sales.

ME3 sold 3.5 million just a week from release. Probably safe to say, it easily surpassed DAO.

ME3 is Bioware's biggest commercial success.

There were some anecdotal statements that ME2 sold more than DAO but no hard numbers ever appeared.

LAST WORD FROM ME!

When I went into my local Gamestop, I saw:

Dragon Age Origins on XBox for sale for 29.99
Dragon Age Awakening on XBox for sale for 19.99
Mass Effect 3 on XBox for sale for 19.99
Dragon Age 2 on XBox for sale for 14.99

That is it. 

That is worth mentioning, ME3's price dropped pretty dang fast. 

The price of every Bioware game after ME2 dropped pretty quickly.

[Fast Jimmy]

deuce985 wrote...

 

Blastback wrote...

Last I saw, Origins had still sold more than ME2. By a decent number. I don't know about 3 though. And I think all of that was without factoring digital sales.

ME3 sold 3.5 million just a week from release. Probably safe to say, it easily surpassed DAO.

ME3 is Bioware's biggest commercial success.

<sigh> I didn't want to post a million links, but its seems like I'm going to have to.

http://www.vgchartz....e=mass effect 3
MassEffect 3, total 4.1 million to date.

http://www.vgchartz....ame=mass effect
Mass Effect 1, total 3.25 million to date.

http://www.vgchartz....e=mass effect 2
Mass Effect 2, total 4.42 million to date.

http://www.vgchartz....s=0&results=200
Dragon Age 2, 2.03 million to date.

http://www.vgchartz....s=0&results=200

Dragon Age: Origins, total 4.28 million to date.

However, as opposed to any of the Mass Effect games or DA2, it does have an expansion pack.
http://www.vgchartz....s=0&results=200

This Expack sold .68 million units, bringing the total units sold for DA:O as a whole up to 4.96 million.

Again... DA:O is Bioware's most successful game to date.

EDIT: Ugh. BSN's is hating URL links again, and is making everything both unclickable and ugly. I apologize.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:07 .

[Emzamination]

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No, no it's not.

That explains quite a bit.

Don't keep me in suspense... Such as?

It explains your reading comprehension problems and frequent misspelling.

Oh my, I didn't realize I was speaking to a vanguard of the king's english and Professor to boot. You want to tell me how exactly my reading comprehension failed me with jerry's comment?

[WhiteThunder]

wsandista wrote...

The price of every Bioware game after ME2 dropped pretty quickly.

So it's irrelevant that a 3 year old game is being sold for more than a 8 month old game?

[Palipride47]

labargegrrrl wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

wow. i walked away from a forum about human-only pc's for a couple of hours and came back to...

what are you people even talking about?

The best I can tell, as little as possible.

And we are loving it.

Maybe we should rage on a new thread? 

not necessarily.  i was just confused because one of the threads i follow because i'm interested in the topic turned into one of those threads i grab some popcorn and watch for entertainment value.  

and all i had to do was walk away to go grocery shopping!   

All I had to was sit here and respond....but I'm going to let my last post related to the rage be the last word before I burst some head vessels and die before we even hear if the LIs will be bisexual or "set"

saving our rage for what counts, are we?  

at least no one's used the word "realism" in this thread, right?  

Yes, I love doing mini lectures on human sexuality in forum posts!  

no one has used the word "realism" yet....but don't throw around ideas!

[LobselVith8]

Morroian wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The option for The Warden to say he didn't believe in the Maker was present in both Origins and Awakening. My Surana Warden said the Maker wasn't a deity he followed, condemned the Chantry over the Dales, told Leliana that Andraste was simply a woman, and informed Justice that he didn't believe in the Maker. I'd say atheism as we know it was present by virtue of being able to not believe in "god."

I'd say your thinking is too narrow. Those statements don't make the warden an athiest in a world where s/he's battling godlike creatures and ultimately the archdemon.

The Archdemon isn't a literal god. The creatures aren't literal gods. Morrigan disputes the idea that magic necessitates the need for intelligent design in her argument with Leliana. If The Warden doesn't believe in any gods or higher power, it does make him an atheist.

[Teddie Sage]

WhiteThunder wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The price of every Bioware game after ME2 dropped pretty quickly.

So it's irrelevant that a 3 year old game is being sold for more than a 8 month old game?

Good grief. I saw Dragon Age Origins' ultimate edition at Wal-Mart in the $20 games bin, same as Dragon Age II. It means nothing. That gamestop the other poster mentionned probably got its pricing wrong or something.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:05 .

[deuce985]

I'm not sure what some of this has to do with the topic...

As for prices on games, it can mean supply and demand. Dragon's Dogma sits at $60 retail because Capcom didn't ship many copies over here. Does that mean the game 6 months from release blows away blockbusters like ME3? No. It doesn't. The damn Persona games go up to over $100 in price in America a year from launch because they ship so few. And it continues to go up in price. Yet, it would be lucky to sell a few 100k copies.

AAA games ship more copies out. They take more inventory space up. You need to clear inventory, so they discount the game faster. ME3 hit its peak and probably died down. That's what 99% of games do. It's not specific to Bioware games. Very few games happen otherwise. Unless you're CoD or Skyrim.

Supply and demand people...

Modifié par deuce985, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:09 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Blastback wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Last I saw, Origins had still sold more than ME2. By a decent number. I don't know about 3 though. And I think all of that was without factoring digital sales.

ME3 sold 3.5 million just a week from release. Probably safe to say, it easily surpassed DAO.

ME3 is Bioware's biggest commercial success.

Maybe.  But do you know how well sales continued?  The ending backlash could have made a big dent.  And I know that some retailers like Amazon were giving fairly large numbers of refunds. 

That said, I could see ME3 being Bioware's biggest hit.

The last I saw was that ME3 was at  3.7 million in sales by the end of June and it seemed to stablized.  The 3.5 million you refer to in a week was "shipped"  not "sold".

As of to date Origins is still Bioware's greatest game with 4.5 milion sold within a year, followed by ME2 with 4.2 million on both PS3 and XBOX.  DA2 never broke the 2 million mark, I think I remember them being around 1.7 after a year (which isn't bad, just not Origins great)

[wsandista]

WhiteThunder wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The price of every Bioware game after ME2 dropped pretty quickly.

So it's irrelevant that a 3 year old game is being sold for more than a 8 month old game?

No.

The point was that recent Bioware games have generally been disappointing and have sold less.

[WhiteThunder]

Teddie Sage wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The price of every Bioware game after ME2 dropped pretty quickly.

So it's irrelevant that a 3 year old game is being sold for more than a 8 month old game?

Good grief. I saw Dragon Age Origins' ultimate edition at Wal-Mart in the $20 games bin, same as Dragon Age II. It means nothing. That gamestop the other poster mentionned probably got its pricing wrong or something.

Fine, so it's irrelevant that a 3 year old game is being sold for the same price as an 8 month old game?

[LinksOcarina]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

That's a nonsensical argument. That number is not representative of how many people would buy the finished product, only the number of people with enough confidence in the premise to pay for it to be made AND happened to have heard about the initiative. 

Didn't claim otherwise, that statement was made in the context of enthusiasm for PE is currently represented by numbers equivalent to a niche audience.  If it sells very well, that'd be fantastic.  I want it to succeed. I contributed.  

Took my PE conversation with Sylvius to PM, opening that to anyone else too.  This thread has been off topic long enough.

I wish we had a chatroom, id join in on this conversation.