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[Allan Schumacher]

Discuss how this makes you feel here.

Be civil to one another.  Respect that other people have differing opinions, and this works both ways.  So if you LIKE this decision, respect that others are disappointed by it.

Rather than closing threads I'll try talking with posters whom I think are crossing the line.

[Allan Schumacher]

Vicious wrote...

 Can't go wrong with a human. Would I like to play something else? Sure, sometimes. Is it worth SCREAMing and CRYing about? Absolutely not. 

 . I was hoping Inquisition would have brought back the Origins.

Your human character has different origins.

I think the comment was more towards playable origins.

[Allan Schumacher]

Now if we only get human companions I will be very mad

This definitely will not be the case.

[John Epler]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Messi Kossmann wrote...

Only Human, but with playable backgrounds would be a good way.

The backgrounds are not playable per interview with David Gaider.  It'll be a la Mass Effect short paragraphs to choose from.

They're not playable, but we've said nothing beyond that they will be of some significance. Please don't put words in our mouths.

[Allan Schumacher]

How so? They could have approached the conflicts from other POVs. Reflect Dalish looks on magic besides the couple of Merril´s comments, same with dwarves (who both lack mages and have partial immunity), or the quanri from an elf, who usually take the Qun as several steps in the right direction from the way human cultures treat them. It would have been worse only if it had limited itself to a change of skin and a few dialogue choices. Which considering the rest of DA2, would probably have been the case.

You realize that this isn't just a request for more races, but also more content to make sure that said racial choices are done better.

In other words, it boils down to a request for additional content. Which is something I expect every person to want.

[John Epler]

Let's cut the bickering down to a reasonable level, please. You are making me want to drink at 2:30 on a Sunday.

[Allan Schumacher]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't share the opinion you and Upsetting have about the fixed companion armors of Inquisition. There are some variations of fixed companion armor. I still prefer how Origins handled it, where I'm not restricted in choosing optimal armor for my companions.

EDIT : Before I comment further, what precisely was stated?  Your impressions of how the companion armor are not along the lines of what my impressions are.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 21 octobre 2012 - 08:47 .

[Allan Schumacher]

That is the impression I got from watching the panel during the "hypothetical" DA3 conference. The only "fixed" notion about NPC armor is how it will look on them, not that you won't be able to give them different armor sets you find throughout the game.

Okay. This impression matches mine too

[David Gaider]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Apparently this is what "consensus" looks like to the fans on the BSN, keep in mind that this is in a thread responding to news that a feature/content will not be in a game:

Heh. There's no need-- we're well aware that people will always try to represent their views as what "everyone" thinks, and that posting repeatedly will somehow inflate thier opinion and override everyone else. We are not fooled, but neither is it the case that we think the views on either side are irrelevant. Those people that were really hoping to have playable races return have a right to be disappointed. It does seem a little tedious that this has led to a larger discussion on "choice", but so be it. Choices are what RPG's are all about, even if not every RPG has to offer every type of choice in order to be considered a good one. YMMV, after all.

[Allan Schumacher]

Rawgrim wrote...

You can only play DA2 as 3 different characters. "Funny, Mean or Kind". None of these options has any effect on the game whatsoevers. they only affect the tone of the conversations, all of wich leads to the excact same ending of the game.

I have replayed the original Half-Life 4 separate times.  The playthrough for this game is identical.

People replay stuff because they enjoy the experience.

Attempting to hand wave that other people have replayed DA2 and attempting to undermine their satisfaction for doing so gets you no where.

[Allan Schumacher]

i belive I gave you an example of a game where you choice of race has a meaningful impact on the story. You just ignored it. I will tell you again, though. Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.

Elaborate. Particularly on the specifics of the ending, since that seems to be the only important part.

You do get a different hideout if you're a Tremere or a Nosferatu. I'm still not sure how it's an "important" part of the story of the game.

Note that I've played through the game as a Toreador, Ventrue, Tremere, Nosferatu, Brujah, and Malkavian. It's been a while though, so maybe my memory is a little fuzzy, so feel free to remind me.

[Allan Schumacher]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Those are numbers that are likely datamined from achievements on X-box Live,  which is pretty much pointless considering the target market for DAO was the PC.

You realize that the PC also sends telemetry data to BioWare, right?

But good pointless dig at console players.

I should probably also point out that the bulk of DAO's sales are on the consoles.

[Allan Schumacher]

WhiteThunder wrote...
No offense but, in terms of pure gameplay, DA2 is no Half Life.  Of course, the Half Life games are still pretty much the pinnacle of shooter gameplay, so it's not really a fair comparison with most games.

This is a complete strawman.  And if you saw the context by which I was replying, I'm just talking about people replaying games and their motivations for doing so.

Half-Life is one of the best games in the history of gaming as far as I'm concerned.  You'll find no argument from me that DA2 is no Half-Life.  The point of my example isn't that people require any sort of significant difference in order to replay a game if they enjoy the experience.

That someone was able to replay DA2 a lot should not result in people going "But, there's not as much replayability."

Taking one's on opinion and ascribing it to how someone else should feel is a silly, silly thing to do.

[Allan Schumacher]

I have no idea.

[Allan Schumacher]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I should probably also point out that the bulk of DAO's sales are on the consoles.

But... you love us more, right?

I am a card carrying member of the PC Master Race.  Much of usability feedback is from a PC-centric point of view.

So I can definitively say that I love you more <3

[David Gaider]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I'm mind boggled by the number of responses like this.

Not that I can't imagine people who would only play humans (I can) but that you would feel the need to say it. If they had announced the game would only come out on XBox and people were raging about it, would it not seem incredibly d!ckish to come in and say "I only play games on the XBox, so this doesn't affect me."

I mean... if people are upset about something, nothing makes it worse than someone coming in and saying "this doesn't affect me, so I'm cool." 

Not trying to call you out specifically, Gali, but I've seen that response over two dozen times in this thread it seems like and am baffled by it every single time. 

What's the alternative? Only people who are upset are allowed to post in a thread like this? Considering the people who like to imagine there is consensus regarding any issue they're upset about, I think it's fine to offer one's opinion on the topic even if it's ambivalence... one does not generally find threads dedicated to "I am abivalent over the lack of player races", after all, so it's perhaps not so terrible to say "hey, not everyone is upset about this."

Especially when we don't allow multiple threads on a topic, and all chat about player races is currently being directed here.

[John Epler]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Hey! There's this great new Bioware RPG coming out that doesn't import characters or have multi-races to choose from! Can you believe it?!  It's really pushing the boundaries of rpgs like no one ever has before!

Trolling is against the rules. One and only warning.

[John Epler]

Let's be clear, in fact. If you're not interested in contributing to the ongoing discussion, don't post. Consider this a simple and clear guiding principle for future posting bliss.

[John Epler]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

We've said all we're really planning on saying at this point about the fixed race protagonist. You're certainly welcome to continue to discuss why you'd like to have multiple races, but pointing to a poll of 153 people and saying 'Are you going to officially comment on this, BioWare?!?' isn't going to get you much traction.

Over the coming months, we'll be releasing more information about the features we're bringing into DA3. Some of them will no doubt satisfy those who want a more DA:O experience, while others will be more evocative of DA2. We feel they're the right features for the game we want to make. You are, of course, more than welcome to disagree, but if you're expecting us to put out a press release as to why we aren't doing something that you want us to do, that's not likely to happen. Sorry.

And yes, I know that more people than are represented by that poll want multiple races. It's simply not something we're going to be doing for this game, for a multitude of reasons.

Modifié par John Epler, 22 octobre 2012 - 05:14 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

Without looking at said poll:

Did you properly select a random sample of people to participate in the poll?  Is the poll created in a non-biased way?  How are the questions asked?


For those that feel this is a necessary component to "making the character theirs" I'm curious what peoples thoughts are to games like the Ultima ones, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, or even Planescape: Torment.

[Allan Schumacher]

Note, if you're equating this to the loss of personal freedoms in reality, and feel this is a slippery slope to us slowly removing all choice from the game, I frankly think someone needs to take a timeout and so some self-reflection over what would cause one to actually say such a thing.

[Allan Schumacher]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

This was three months ago considering a lot of the original fans haven't showed up here in over a year, these are your diehard, willing to give Bioware second and third chances, or even those that prefered DA2 over Origins.  I think that in itself it telling.

Or is it just Confirmation bias?

Do you honestly believe that that poll is created in such a way that people are not, in any way, biased to pick a particular response?

Never mind that motivations for said choice (The other choices suck... or even "eh this one probably give me more content") can't be quantified either.


You'd be better served going through the "Top 5 things..." thread and seeing how many times it comes up.  But you're still going to run into sample bias that prevents the data from being fully considered.

[Allan Schumacher]

Not sure what you mean, then again I have not read the entire thread so do not know who you are refering to. But it does limit 'player' freedom and choice, that is a factual statement. It also limits the potential impact of choices in the sense you are removing additional possiblities that can lead to additional and impactive choices.

I'm referring to people that are equating our decision to go with a human protagonist with real life reduction of personal freedoms and oppression in history.

They do this by linking quotes that reference real life personal liberty, and if they wish to champion themselves on a video game forum about options/restrictions in a video game in the same way that actual people attempt to stand up for human rights in the real world, I'd encourage those people to actually reflect on what it is they're doing before making a disrespectful reference to those that actually go out and have fought for their freedom to come onto this forum and **** us out.

Frankly, it's a sentiment fueled by emotion and at some point I'm going to be a party pooper and remind people that they're still just talking about a video game.

[John Epler]

Alright, this whole 'they'll cut genders next!' tangent has taken a sharp right turn into the completely absurd, so let's cut it out.

[John Epler]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'm referring to people that are equating our decision to go with a human protagonist with real life reduction of personal freedoms and oppression in history.

I'm not trying to equate your decision to that.  I'm trying to equate people's responses to your decision to that.

Political apathy is political apathy, no matter the venue.  I don't think this human-only thing is very important, but people who defend it on the grounds that "it doesn't affect me" are doing exactly what was described in the famous poem.

This is a tangent we aren't continuing.

If you can't see why equating human rights violations and cold-blooded murder with losing a choice in a videogame is offensive, there's really nothing else to say.

Regardless. This tangent is done.