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[LobselVith8]

Palipride47 wrote...

I think that is why they brought in backgrounds, as sort of a compromise.

Perhaps. I agree that the world should react to the protagonist (such as your example of blood magic) but if Inquisition is going to accommodate a mage Inquisitor, why couldn't it accommodate protagonists from other cultures?

Mages are vilified in Andrastian society; Mother Hannah has to assure the Amell Warden that a lynch mob won't kill him, and Wynne tells horror stories about the fate of mages who are killed because of a drought or a baby dying (which the mage gets blamed for by the Andrastians). If the narrative is going to accommodate a mage protagonist, I honestly don't see why an Elven, Dwarven, or Kossith protagonist would be going too far. It's illegal to be an apostate, and taboo to be a blood mage. If Thedas is going to react to a blood mage Inquisitor, I don't see why it can't react to a non-human Inquisitor.

[Jerrybnsn]

wsandista wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It's fascinating how people can't pick up on obvious wit though.

Agreed, just like Namor can't accept the fact that he sucks.

I'm too disappointed to care about wit today.

[Foolsfolly]

Tarathelion wrote...

I actually agrree with you mostly. Project Eternity, like i said, will be most likely a niche game.   Its gonna be a good game though (in my opinion). Having said that i doubt  it will be a commercial success, (i don't think it will be a huge hit.) Its not gonna be product easy to sell to new people becouse of its old school look People like me who played old rpg like baldurs and ID will enjoy them. That element of nostalgia assiosated with old hits has been captured by obsidian project and cos of that it was a massive success on kick starter. Will it allow  them to join the likes of bioware or bethesda or even a cd projekt? (small comapany but independent one with resonable budged). Don't think so. As you said, doing a games like that is a bit of step back and i don't advocate that for bioware. For the record i actually enyoy Bioware games and i'm on board with the direction they are taking.

Unrelated... I just wish Obsidian was doing a sequel to Alpha Protocol or Fallout: New Vegas. While I was playing PC games at the time BG1 and BG2 and Planetscape: Torment were out I didn't play those games. My first BioWare game was KOTOR and my first Obsidian game was KOTOR2. At the time the kinds of games PE is trying to emulate were out I was playing mostly RTSs, FPSs, TPSs, and the only RPGs were the Diablo games and TES: Morrowind.

So my disinterest in PE is entirely due to the fact that I don't have the nostalgia for those kinds of games. It just doesn't particularly appeal to me to revisit a past I wasn't a part of back in its hayday.

Not saying I don't understand the desire. I'd probably throw in a few hundred dollars to a Kickstarter for a Thief 4 game even if it used (hell probably especially if it used) the old Dark Engine. But yeah... I wish they'd started a Kickstarter for something a bit more modern. Something easier to market. Something that may make big bucks.

I hope them the best. I'm a fan of their stuff (it's a love-hate relationship none of their games that I've played are what I'd consider great other than New Vegas. Everything else is full of things I love and full of glitches, crashes, and general lack of polish which tends to make me curse their names as often as I praise them.)

But I do wish them the best. I think it's a niche game but I hope it's a successful niche game that the BSN will never shut the hell up about much like how you lunatics got me to buy Witcher 2. Good game... not better than Origins.

[WhiteThunder]

LobselVith8 wrote...

If Thedas is going to react to a blood mage Inquisitor, I don't see why it can't react to a non-human Inquisitor.

Heh, you think that Thedas will actually react to a blood mage Inquisitor?  Optimist.

[wsandista]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Off topic, but could people stop quoting each other when we can read stuff on the same page?

No.

[The Hierophant]

wsandista wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It's fascinating how people can't pick up on obvious wit though.

Agreed, just like Namor can't accept the fact that he sucks.

Lulz it's still hilarious how he got clowned by Ben Grimm while under water.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

I'm assuming its just that a voiced character for different races would cost a lot of money because if they just used the same VA for every race you can bet money that people would be furious. It think its just more cost effective doing it this way. Its not a deal breaker for me though.

[wsandista]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It's fascinating how people can't pick up on obvious wit though.

Agreed, just like Namor can't accept the fact that he sucks.

I'm too disappointed to care about wit today.

At least there is Project Eternity and the South Park game. Also DAO is still good. I think I will just consider DAO a standalone title from now on.

[wsandista]

The Hierophant wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It's fascinating how people can't pick up on obvious wit though.

Agreed, just like Namor can't accept the fact that he sucks.

Lulz it's still hilarious how he got clowned by Ben Grimm while under water.

I think he may very well be the worst comic character, even worse than Stilt Man or Film Freak.

[WhiteThunder]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Unrelated... I just wish Obsidian was doing a sequel to Alpha Protocol or Fallout: New Vegas. While I was playing PC games at the time BG1 and BG2 and Planetscape: Torment were out I didn't play those games. My first BioWare game was KOTOR and my first Obsidian game was KOTOR2. At the time the kinds of games PE is trying to emulate were out I was playing mostly RTSs, FPSs, TPSs, and the only RPGs were the Diablo games and TES: Morrowind.

So my disinterest in PE is entirely due to the fact that I don't have the nostalgia for those kinds of games. It just doesn't particularly appeal to me to revisit a past I wasn't a part of back in its hayday.

PS:T is on GOG.com for $10.  Buy it as soon as you have the opportunity.  I only played it for the first time this spring and it's really held up well, the story is just flat-out brilliant, as is the reactivity of the gameworld to your decisions, including on your statistics.

[ManOfSteel]

I think it's great. I always play as a human anyway so I'm happy.

[PaulSX]

human character is ok but I would prefer DA3's protagonist less defined than Hawke or Shepard.

[LobselVith8]

Palipride46 wrote...

Cousland was supposed to be racist? Why? WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?!

They wanted to show the other side of racism, which is why the developers said the Cousland protagonist never opposes the treatment of the elves in the pantry. He starts off that way because of those reasons.

As for the bolded, you seem more optimistic than me about the prospect of an Andrastian protagonist.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You're your own category.

Is it the name? I get compliments all the time.

[The Hierophant]

Oh s*** the mascara wearing pirate is Hook, and i hope Mr.Gold f**** him up for that trifling s***.

@Wsandista - Even worse than Film Freak? Was he even alive before the reboot?...lol

Modifié par The Hierophant, 22 octobre 2012 - 01:08 .

[wsandista]

The Hierophant wrote...

@Wsandista - Even worse than Film Freak, before the reboot was he even alive?...lol

I'd even say he is slightly worse than Alpha(from Amazing Spider-Man 692-694).

[Fast Jimmy]

wsandista wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It's fascinating how people can't pick up on obvious wit though.

Agreed, just like Namor can't accept the fact that he sucks.

Must... resist... desire... to derail thread completely...

[Blastback]

Imperious Rex!

[wsandista]

Blastback wrote...

Imperious Rex!

Hulk Smash puny fishman!

[Palipride47]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It's fascinating how people can't pick up on obvious wit though.

Agreed, just like Namor can't accept the fact that he sucks.

Must... resist... desire... to derail thread completely...

Eh, they are doing it for ya.

[Massakkolia]

wsandista wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It's fascinating how people can't pick up on obvious wit though.

Agreed, just like Namor can't accept the fact that he sucks.

Lulz it's still hilarious how he got clowned by Ben Grimm while under water.

I think he may very well be the worst comic character, even worse than Stilt Man or Film Freak.

Take your oh-so-witty and utterly off-topic repartee to PM. (sidenote: picking on non-English speakers is not cool)

Back to topic: I hope the backgrounds will have enough depth and variety in them. What bothered me about Hawke was that we were set to be these from riches to rags to riches again social climbers. We had to regain the noble status of the Amell family etc. That just wasn't appealing to me at all and it had too much in common with the Cousland storyline as well. There was a great refugee angle but it wasn't really utilized much.

I guess I just don't like to play as a noble. The backgrounds should differ significantly in social status as well as in other aspects. I'm guessing the backgrounds might be connected with the class we'll get to choose. Maybe two different options for rogue, mage and warrior classes each. That might work.

...Oh, why do I even bother. This topic is unsalvageable.

Modifié par Ria, 22 octobre 2012 - 01:19 .

[Uzzy]

LobselVith8 wrote...

If Thedas is going to react to a blood mage Inquisitor, I don't see why it can't react to a non-human Inquisitor.

Well, Kirkwall didn't react to a blood mage Hawke, so I'd be surprised if that's going to happen this time. But you're right as to your main point. It should be easy to put in a bit of dialogue as to why a non-human Inquisitor exists, even if it's mostly a handwave.

Oh well, this just makes me think that Bioware have learned no lessons as to why DA2 sucked in the eyes of people like me, and makes me even less optimistic (if that was possible) that DA3 might be any good.

[Palipride47]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Palipride46 wrote...

Cousland was supposed to be racist? Why? WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?!

They wanted to show the other side of racism, which is why the developers said the Cousland protagonist never opposes the treatment of the elves in the pantry. He starts off that way because of those reasons.

As for the bolded, you seem more optimistic than me about the prospect of an Andrastian protagonist.

THAT'S ME, AN OPTIMIST! <_<

It's mostly a Bioware headcanon, trust me. 

Uzzy wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If Thedas is going to react to a blood mage Inquisitor, I don't see why it can't react to a non-human Inquisitor.

Well, Kirkwall didn't react to a blood mage Hawke, so I'd be surprised if that's going to happen this time. But you're right as to your main point. It should be easy to put in a bit of dialogue as to why a non-human Inquisitor exists, even if it's mostly a handwave. 

Oh well, this just makes me think that Bioware have learned no lessons as to why DA2 sucked in the eyes of people like me, and makes me even less optimistic (if that was possible) that DA3 might be any good. 

I say that a blood mage inquisitor works with them via "We know you are a blood mage, BLACKMAIL"
They could've done that for ALL origins. 

I wrote something like that in ancient times, reasons why a dwarf could work for inqusition (something about being in the Legion and "limited notoriety" but ehh....whateves. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 22 octobre 2012 - 01:23 .

[Monica21]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Given the plot of Inquisition, I think it would have been interesting to explore the world though the eyes of a Dalish mage. How would a Dalish protagonist see Tevinter, what would he think about Orlais, how would he react to the Mage-Templar War, what would his response be to the possible Dalish Boon? Could the Dalish protagonist be kwitatch haderach of the People?

Is it worth pointing out that we don't actually know the plot of Inquisition yet?

LobselVith8 wrote...
Cousland was intended to start off as a racist (according to the developers, when they addressed the elven scene in the pantry), and Hawke was tiresome. I prefer the non-Andrastian protagonists, who I felt were much more interesting and intriguing over their human counterparts.

Given that a Cousland had various ways of responding to the situation with the elves in the pantry and to Lady Llandra's lady-in-waiting, I don't buy that. A Cousland *could* be racist, but could also just be someone who had elven servants and didn't know much about their culture.

A Cousland doesn't oppose the treatment, because there is no "treatment." There's Nan, who's frustrated with the dog and the apparent inability to get dinner out on time, and she displays frustration, not obvious racism. The Cousland can respond with racial undertones or not at all. If the intention of the developers was to create a racist human noble origin, they didn't do a very good job.

[Tarathelion]

Foolsfolly wrote...



Not saying I don't understand the desire. I'd probably throw in a few hundred dollars to a Kickstarter for a Thief 4 game even if it used (hell probably especially if it used) the old Dark Engine. But yeah... I wish they'd started a Kickstarter for something a bit more modern. Something easier to market. Something that may make big bucks.

I believe Thief 4 is already in development by Eidos Montreal/Square Enix