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[LinksOcarina]

Uzzy wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If Thedas is going to react to a blood mage Inquisitor, I don't see why it can't react to a non-human Inquisitor.

Well, Kirkwall didn't react to a blood mage Hawke, so I'd be surprised if that's going to happen this time. But you're right as to your main point. It should be easy to put in a bit of dialogue as to why a non-human Inquisitor exists, even if it's mostly a handwave.

Oh well, this just makes me think that Bioware have learned no lessons as to why DA2 sucked in the eyes of people like me, and makes me even less optimistic (if that was possible) that DA3 might be any good.

To be fair that has been a game conceit, since in Origins it was never mentioned either. And since we have very little to go on as to what type of Inquisitor we will see, I see no reason to be pessimistic in anything until you have something concrete to go on other than the one fact we all know. 

[Palipride47]

Monica21 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Given the plot of Inquisition, I think it would have been interesting to explore the world though the eyes of a Dalish mage. How would a Dalish protagonist see Tevinter, what would he think about Orlais, how would he react to the Mage-Templar War, what would his response be to the possible Dalish Boon? Could the Dalish protagonist be kwitatch haderach of the People?

Is it worth pointing out that we don't actually know the plot of Inquisition yet?

LobselVith8 wrote...
Cousland was intended to start off as a racist (according to the developers, when they addressed the elven scene in the pantry), and Hawke was tiresome. I prefer the non-Andrastian protagonists, who I felt were much more interesting and intriguing over their human counterparts.

Given that a Cousland had various ways of responding to the situation with the elves in the pantry and to Lady Llandra's lady-in-waiting, I don't buy that. A Cousland *could* be racist, but could also just be someone who had elven servants and didn't know much about their culture.

A Cousland doesn't oppose the treatment, because there is no "treatment." There's Nan, who's frustrated with the dog and the apparent inability to get dinner out on time, and she displays frustration, not obvious racism. The Cousland can respond with racial undertones or not at all. If the intention of the developers was to create a racist human noble origin, they didn't do a very good job.

And Alistair was supposed to be a grizzled veteran, but they change it, so ya know, doesn't completely dismiss what he said.

And I did see some "horrible elf treatment" in that scene (and you can respond nastily regarding them) but we all interpret things differently. 

But we should note that we do not know the plot before we get angry about "reactivity".

Modifié par Palipride47, 22 octobre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Monica21 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Given the plot of Inquisition, I think it would have been interesting to explore the world though the eyes of a Dalish mage. How would a Dalish protagonist see Tevinter, what would he think about Orlais, how would he react to the Mage-Templar War, what would his response be to the possible Dalish Boon? Could the Dalish protagonist be kwitatch haderach of the People?

Is it worth pointing out that we don't actually know the plot of Inquisition yet?

It is worth pointing out, yes.

Its also worth pointing out that the vast majority of Bioware leaks have gone from the totally 100% accurate to at least in the right ballpark vicinity. So while we maybe should take it with a grain of salt, I'd say it may be better to take it with a few particles instead.

[Monica21]

Palipride47 wrote...
And Alistair was supposed to be a grizzled veteran, but they change it, so ya know, doesn't completely dismiss what he said.

Which only means that original intent does not mean that's how the final product turned out. Which was kind of my point.

And I did see some "horrible elf treatment" in that scene (and you can respond nastily regarding them) but we all interpret things differently. 

But we should note that we do not know the plot before we get angry about "reactivity".

If you're talking about the "I'll skin both you useless elves" line, I got the impression that Nan would have said it regardless of whether they were human or not. And yes, you can give a nasty response, but you can ignore it altogether. You can also question the lady-in-waiting about her life, about her daughter, without any of it giving the appearance of racism.

[Palipride47]

Monica21 wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...
And Alistair was supposed to be a grizzled veteran, but they change it, so ya know, doesn't completely dismiss what he said.

Which only means that original intent does not mean that's how the final product turned out. Which was kind of my point.

And I did see some "horrible elf treatment" in that scene (and you can respond nastily regarding them) but we all interpret things differently. 

But we should note that we do not know the plot before we get angry about "reactivity".

If you're talking about the "I'll skin both you useless elves" line, I got the impression that Nan would have said it regardless of whether they were human or not. And yes, you can give a nasty response, but you can ignore it altogether. You can also question the lady-in-waiting about her life, about her daughter, without any of it giving the appearance of racism.

I did say we can interpret things differently.

Also, that doesn't mean that their intent doesn't shape the final project, or how they want to take it from there.....I was just warning against being completely dismissive. 

[Neria Rose]

Part of me was mildly disappointed since I like the idea of differing backgrounds ala Origins. And then I remembered that I played two elves, no dwarves, and several humans in DAO, so it doesn't matter too much. At least the PC is not a race I despise.

[Uzzy]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If Thedas is going to react to a blood mage Inquisitor, I don't see why it can't react to a non-human Inquisitor.

Well, Kirkwall didn't react to a blood mage Hawke, so I'd be surprised if that's going to happen this time. But you're right as to your main point. It should be easy to put in a bit of dialogue as to why a non-human Inquisitor exists, even if it's mostly a handwave.

Oh well, this just makes me think that Bioware have learned no lessons as to why DA2 sucked in the eyes of people like me, and makes me even less optimistic (if that was possible) that DA3 might be any good.

To be fair that has been a game conceit, since in Origins it was never mentioned either. And since we have very little to go on as to what type of Inquisitor we will see, I see no reason to be pessimistic in anything until you have something concrete to go on other than the one fact we all know. 

Exactly. It's been a game conceit for two games now, and suddenly we're to believe that in this case, it's an issue to have non-Human Inquisitors? It's probably a very easy thing to handwave really.

Anyway, I do have a reason to be pessimistic. Bioware's record since DA:O. But that's another discussion.

[Monica21]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
It is worth pointing out, yes.

Its also worth pointing out that the vast majority of Bioware leaks have gone from the totally 100% accurate to at least in the right ballpark vicinity. So while we maybe should take it with a grain of salt, I'd say it may be better to take it with a few particles instead.

I gave away my Jump To Conclusions mat a long time ago, so, I'll hold off.

[bloodmage13]

To be honest I am not surprised. I saw this coming. Its about the budget. It is cheaper to make one character size for each gender. I just hope they balance by having diverse companions. Mass effect had a human protagonist and it was an awesome series.

[Link Ashland 614]

I haven't even met him/her so I can't judge.

Still, looking forward to it

[LinksOcarina]

Uzzy wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If Thedas is going to react to a blood mage Inquisitor, I don't see why it can't react to a non-human Inquisitor.

Well, Kirkwall didn't react to a blood mage Hawke, so I'd be surprised if that's going to happen this time. But you're right as to your main point. It should be easy to put in a bit of dialogue as to why a non-human Inquisitor exists, even if it's mostly a handwave.

Oh well, this just makes me think that Bioware have learned no lessons as to why DA2 sucked in the eyes of people like me, and makes me even less optimistic (if that was possible) that DA3 might be any good.

To be fair that has been a game conceit, since in Origins it was never mentioned either. And since we have very little to go on as to what type of Inquisitor we will see, I see no reason to be pessimistic in anything until you have something concrete to go on other than the one fact we all know. 

Exactly. It's been a game conceit for two games now, and suddenly we're to believe that in this case, it's an issue to have non-Human Inquisitors? It's probably a very easy thing to handwave really.

Anyway, I do have a reason to be pessimistic. Bioware's record since DA:O. But that's another discussion.

Thats a shame, pessimisim is usually a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And it might be handwaved in the end, but if it is, then the story needs to back up why. If it can't, then it becomes an issue to me. So we shall see what happens. 

[WhiteThunder]

bloodmage13 wrote...

To be honest I am not surprised. I saw this coming. Its about the budget. It is cheaper to make one character size for each gender. I just hope they balance by having diverse companions. Mass effect had a human protagonist and it was an awesome series.

Then maybe they could have taken the money earmarked for the multiplayer mode that nobody has ever asked for and made 4 more character models.

[Caiden012]

WhiteThunder wrote...

bloodmage13 wrote...

To be honest I am not surprised. I saw this coming. Its about the budget. It is cheaper to make one character size for each gender. I just hope they balance by having diverse companions. Mass effect had a human protagonist and it was an awesome series.

Then maybe they could have taken the money earmarked for the multiplayer mode that nobody has ever asked for and made 4 more character models.

That would anger the EA overlords.

[PinkysPain]

LinksOcarina wrote...
Thats a shame, pessimisim is usually a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I was highly optimistic about ME3 ... it didn't help

PS. I wish people would stop dissing multiplayer ... I know ME3 MP was not to everyone's taste, but it made a whole lot of people much happier than the SP did.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Palipride47]

WhiteThunder wrote...

bloodmage13 wrote...

To be honest I am not surprised. I saw this coming. Its about the budget. It is cheaper to make one character size for each gender. I just hope they balance by having diverse companions. Mass effect had a human protagonist and it was an awesome series.

Then maybe they could have taken the money earmarked for the multiplayer mode that nobody has ever asked for and made 4 more character models.

You'll love MP. Because EA said so.

Just like people with Sims wanted to play money for substandard models when they can get better ones on interwebz for free.....<_<

[MorningBird]

Neria Rose wrote...

Part of me was mildly disappointed since I like the idea of differing backgrounds ala Origins. And then I remembered that I played two elves, no dwarves, and several humans in DAO, so it doesn't matter too much. At least the PC is not a race I despise.

Yeah, I never played a Warden that wasn't my original CE past their Origin story. :x  Granted, I also played that CE 3-4 times on multiple consoles (switching from 360 to PC) so... XD

In regards to DA2, I wasn't overly bothered by the human PC restriction, not past the initial shock, anyway. XD  In fact, I had more finished characters in DA2 than I did in Origins, despite the race restrictions.  I did, however, miss the origin stories, so I'm glad to see those returning in some capacity.

I guess my official stance is, I'm not too upset to be playing as a human again, but I'd be happy to see race customization return in a future game as well.

Also, I am a fan of Namor. ;-;

Modifié par MorningBird, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:04 .

[Browneye_Vamp84]

I'll buy the game regardless.

[Caiden012]

I am just afraid that we are getting set up for a situation similar to DA2. When I heard that I would have to be a human that was a bit of a let down. But when I heard the he would be called Hawke and the his backround was already set I first though of Mass Effect and then I though "Well he isn't MY character anymore" I can change his hair as much as I want but it didn't change the fact that the Warden was still MY character and Hawke was just the one Bioware set up for me. I don't want that to happen again.

[The Six Path of Pain]

I think it's stupid,this game is sounding unappealing so far but as I said before i'll wait till I see some gameplay and HOPEFULLY some DA:O features.So far though it's sounding like DA2 all over again...those backgrounds better be damned good too >

[WhiteThunder]

Browneye_Vamp84 wrote...

I'll buy the game regardless.

That's what I said about DA2, and do you know what happened?

I ended up paying money for DA2.

[Xilizhra]

It's... I can hardly see it as something other than a foolish and shortsighted decision, with the lack of information we have so far.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's... I can hardly see it as something other than a foolish and shortsighted decision, with the lack of information we have so far.

... soooo with the lack of any information besides a "this is how it's going to be," it can ONLY be foolish and shortsighted

even though we have no idea how they arrived at this alleged foolish and shortsighted decision

yeah no that's not how it works, that is pure assumption on your part

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:19 .

[Xilizhra]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's... I can hardly see it as something other than a foolish and shortsighted decision, with the lack of information we have so far.

... soooo with the lack of any information besides a "this is how it's going to be," it can ONLY be foolish and shortsighted

even though we have no idea how they arrived at this alleged foolish and shortsighted decision

yeah no that's not how it works

In short, I have no reason to doubt my first impression unless I receive information that contests it.

[Darth Krytie]

WhiteThunder wrote...

bloodmage13 wrote...

To be honest I am not surprised. I saw this coming. Its about the budget. It is cheaper to make one character size for each gender. I just hope they balance by having diverse companions. Mass effect had a human protagonist and it was an awesome series.

Then maybe they could have taken the money earmarked for the multiplayer mode that nobody has ever asked for and made 4 more character models.

I don't think it's solely about budget, given the clear feedback they received about the desire for multiple races. Despite what some people say, BioWare doesn't intentionally try to ****** off the majority of fans by denying stuff they want for no reason. I have a feeling that it's also about the plot. If we're to resolve the mage/templar dispute somehow, I don't a) see why a dwarf would care and see why anyone would heed an elf. The only reason the elf and dwarf wardens got anywhere was because they were wardens. And since the Wardens generally don't get involved in those sorts of disputes, our new protag is unlikely to be one.  Being a human makes sense to me, then, given those assumptions. And these are my assumptions.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Xilizhra wrote...

In short, I have no reason to doubt my first impression unless I receive information that contests it.

But how did you even arrive at that conclusion without any information???