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[Kerilus]

So, is it a final decision and you're merely asking how we feel, or do our opinions actually affect the outcome? If you want my vote, it's a no, bad idea. I want different identities and up-bringing for my protaganist, essensial my avatar in Thedas. Yes, I'm awared vareity exists between the up-bringing/origin of one human and the next, but surely that which between races would be much greater and more interesting.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's... I can hardly see it as something other than a foolish and shortsighted decision, with the lack of information we have so far.

I guess it comes across as odd for the "story" to prevent the inclusion of an Elven or Dwarven protagonist when a mage can apparently become an Inquisitor, and we already know how mages are treated in Andrastian society. If the rumors are accurate, a mage would be acting as the leader of an organization, despite the stigma magic has in Andrastian society. It simply comes across as strange, especially when the developers claim they want specializations (like blood magic) to have a reaction from the world around you, and that has a bigger stigma than being an elf or a dwarf. If the Warden Garahel can rally the Free Marches against the Blight, why can't a non-Andrastian do the same for the crisis in Inquisition?

[WhiteThunder]

Darth Krytie wrote...

BioWare doesn't intentionally try to ****** off the majority of fans by denying stuff they want for no reason.

False.  I direct you to the lack of a tactical camera in Dragon Age 2.

[Caiden012]

Darth Krytie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

bloodmage13 wrote...

To be honest I am not surprised. I saw this coming. Its about the budget. It is cheaper to make one character size for each gender. I just hope they balance by having diverse companions. Mass effect had a human protagonist and it was an awesome series.

Then maybe they could have taken the money earmarked for the multiplayer mode that nobody has ever asked for and made 4 more character models.

I don't think it's solely about budget, given the clear feedback they received about the desire for multiple races. Despite what some people say, BioWare doesn't intentionally try to ****** off the majority of fans by denying stuff they want for no reason. I have a feeling that it's also about the plot. If we're to resolve the mage/templar dispute somehow, I don't a) see why a dwarf would care and see why anyone would heed an elf. The only reason the elf and dwarf wardens got anywhere was because they were wardens. And since the Wardens generally don't get involved in those sorts of disputes, our new protag is unlikely to be one.  Being a human makes sense to me, then, given those assumptions. And these are my assumptions.

I would much rather play as the character I want to. In an RPG story is very important but so is making sure that your players are the character they want to be. That is why you can be renegade or paragon Shepard, that is why you can be a blood sucking vampire in TES, and that is why you could be a human hating elf in DA:O. With DA2 we got to be the Hawke that was mean, nice, or sarcastic. With Hawke we lost being our own character and right now it looks like DA3 is going in the same direction but I really hope it is not.

[WhiteThunder]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In short, I have no reason to doubt my first impression unless I receive information that contests it.

But how did you even arrive at that conclusion without any information???

I'll weigh in as an arbiter:  Xilizhra is right, and you're being unreasonable.  Someone less generous might say that you are in fact trolling Xilizhra, but I'll just assume that you genuinely don't understand his/her thought process.

[Darth Krytie]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

BioWare doesn't intentionally try to ****** off the majority of fans by denying stuff they want for no reason.

False.  I direct you to the lack of a tactical camera in Dragon Age 2.

The majority of fans wanted a tactical camera?

[Sylvius the Mad]

Darth Krytie wrote...

The majority of fans wanted a tactical camera?

Given that the console versions of DAO lacked the tactical camera as well, I doubt it.

Though Mike Laidlaw did say that the movable camera was "critical to tactical play", so we had good reason to expect one in DA2.

[WhiteThunder]

Darth Krytie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

BioWare doesn't intentionally try to ****** off the majority of fans by denying stuff they want for no reason.

False.  I direct you to the lack of a tactical camera in Dragon Age 2.

The majority of fans wanted a tactical camera?

It was pretty universally acclaimed, by critics and gamers alike.  Even Gamespot called it out as a great gameplay feature.  GAMESPOT.

And, in all of the history of the internets, I challenge you to find someone who said: "You know, it would improve the gameplay in some way if they got rid of the option to scroll back and survey the battle and place spells."

In short, they removed a popular feature for literally no reason.

[Monica21]

WhiteThunder wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In short, I have no reason to doubt my first impression unless I receive information that contests it.

But how did you even arrive at that conclusion without any information???

I'll weigh in as an arbiter:  Xilizhra is right, and you're being unreasonable.  Someone less generous might say that you are in fact trolling Xilizhra, but I'll just assume that you genuinely don't understand his/her thought process.

I'll weigh in as a second arbiter: stating that you have no evidence to support your conclusion but that you somehow know it's a terrible idea is a fallacious argument that lacks burden of proof.

[saintjimmy43]

So...what went into this decision? I mean obviously Bioware got the message that people loved playable origins and being another race, and didn't love having to just be Hawke in the second game, but this is the way they want it? I happened not to mind being Hawke at all, and I'm not too broken up about this (my assumption is that the game will get to be longer now that the start isn't a giant tree), but...this is sort of...well...I mean...okay.

[Fast Jimmy]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

BioWare doesn't intentionally try to ****** off the majority of fans by denying stuff they want for no reason.

False.  I direct you to the lack of a tactical camera in Dragon Age 2.

The majority of fans wanted a tactical camera?

It was pretty universally acclaimed, by critics and gamers alike.  Even Gamespot called it out as a great gameplay feature.  GAMESPOT.

And, in all of the history of the internets, I challenge you to find someone who said: "You know, it would improve the gameplay in some way if they got rid of the option to scroll back and survey the battle and place spells."

In short, they removed a popular feature for literally no reason.

"Literally" and "no reason" aren't exactly true. It cost money and it wasn't required to complete the game. 

I'm not defending it being taken out and would be glad to see it return for DA3, but there is hardly ever "no reason" why something happens in game development. That reason may be bad or not appealing to us as fans, but there is ALWAYS a reason.

[LobselVith8]

RinjiRenee wrote...

... soooo with the lack of information besides a "this is how it's going to be," it can ONLY be foolish and shortsighted even though we have no idea how they arrived at this alleged foolish and shortsighted decision

We have information about the return of the voiced protagonist, the paraphrasing, the auto-lines, the companion armor, and being limited to a human protagonist. I think we can have an opinion on the direction Inquisition seems to be going in. If people were interested in the series exploring the non-human societies of Thedas and returning the racial options from the first game, then it makes sense that they would see the decision to have the protagonist of Inquisition be exclusively human as a mistake.

RinjiRenee wrote...

yeah no that's not how it works

I don't think it's wrong for her to dislike the direction that Inquisition seems to be headed in. I certainly have no interest in another Andrastian human protagonist.

[BlueMagitek]

Oh good, a human protagonist. Well, if the backgrounds pan out, I'll be happy. =D

[LobselVith8]

Monica21 wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In short, I have no reason to doubt my first impression unless I receive information that contests it.

But how did you even arrive at that conclusion without any information???

I'll weigh in as an arbiter:  Xilizhra is right, and you're being unreasonable.  Someone less generous might say that you are in fact trolling Xilizhra, but I'll just assume that you genuinely don't understand his/her thought process.

I'll weigh in as a second arbiter: stating that you have no evidence to support your conclusion but that you somehow know it's a terrible idea is a fallacious argument that lacks burden of proof.

So Xil shouldn't think that the exclusion of the Elven, Dwarven, and Kossith options for protagonists is a terrible idea? Why?

[WhiteThunder]

Monica21 wrote...

I'll weigh in as a second arbiter: stating that you have no evidence to support your conclusion but that you somehow know it's a terrible idea is a fallacious argument that lacks burden of proof.

That's true.  I guess it's a good thing that wasn't what Xilizhra was saying, isn't it?

[BlueMagitek]

Eh, you can't really have "an exclusion of a Kossith option" when there's never been a Qunari option. >_>

[WhiteThunder]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

BioWare doesn't intentionally try to ****** off the majority of fans by denying stuff they want for no reason.

False.  I direct you to the lack of a tactical camera in Dragon Age 2.

The majority of fans wanted a tactical camera?

It was pretty universally acclaimed, by critics and gamers alike.  Even Gamespot called it out as a great gameplay feature.  GAMESPOT.

And, in all of the history of the internets, I challenge you to find someone who said: "You know, it would improve the gameplay in some way if they got rid of the option to scroll back and survey the battle and place spells."

In short, they removed a popular feature for literally no reason.

"Literally" and "no reason" aren't exactly true. It cost money and it wasn't required to complete the game. 

I'm not defending it being taken out and would be glad to see it return for DA3, but there is hardly ever "no reason" why something happens in game development. That reason may be bad or not appealing to us as fans, but there is ALWAYS a reason.

Alright, maybe they could have taken out some of the bald, intangible citizens of Kirkwall?  Gotten rid of the horns on the Qunari?  Had one less fetch quest without any dialogue?

Or maybe Laidlaw could have chosen not to blatantly lie to us about it's inclusion?  That would have been a start.

[Monica21]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

I'll weigh in as a second arbiter: stating that you have no evidence to support your conclusion but that you somehow know it's a terrible idea is a fallacious argument that lacks burden of proof.

That's true.  I guess it's a good thing that wasn't what Xilizhra was saying, isn't it?

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Xilizhra wrote...

It's... I can hardly see it as something
other than a foolish and shortsighted decision, with the lack of
information we have so far.

To restate: There is a lack of information, so I will declare that this is a foolish and short-sighted decision.

Foolish based on what? Shortsighted based on what? Nothing, because there is no information to prove otherwise. If Xil meant something other than what was said then perhaps it needs to be restated.

[Xilizhra]

Foolish based on what? Shortsighted based on what? Nothing, because there is no information to prove otherwise. If Xil meant something other than what was said then perhaps it needs to be restated.

As of now, I can see no benefit from removing the option for this story.

[Monica21]

LobselVith8 wrote...
So Xil shouldn't think that the exclusion of the Elven, Dwarven, and Kossith options for protagonists is a terrible idea? Why?

I didn't say she can't have an opinion, but her opinion lacks any kind of argumentative soundness. Saying "I don't know anything about Inquisition but this is shortsighted and foolish" lacks burden of proof. The opinion of "I'd really rather play a dwarf or an elf and it sucks that I can't" is an opinion, but trying desperately to couch it in terms of some kind of proof what a terrible idea it is without any evidence is a bad argument.

[Monica21]

Xilizhra wrote...

Foolish based on what? Shortsighted based on what? Nothing, because there is no information to prove otherwise. If Xil meant something other than what was said then perhaps it needs to be restated.

As of now, I can see no benefit from removing the option for this story.

A story which you, admittedly, know next to nothing about.

[lx_theo]

WhiteThunder wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

BioWare doesn't intentionally try to ****** off the majority of fans by denying stuff they want for no reason.

False.  I direct you to the lack of a tactical camera in Dragon Age 2.

The majority of fans wanted a tactical camera?

It was pretty universally acclaimed, by critics and gamers alike.  Even Gamespot called it out as a great gameplay feature.  GAMESPOT.

And, in all of the history of the internets, I challenge you to find someone who said: "You know, it would improve the gameplay in some way if they got rid of the option to scroll back and survey the battle and place spells."

In short, they removed a popular feature for literally no reason.

"Literally" and "no reason" aren't exactly true. It cost money and it wasn't required to complete the game. 

I'm not defending it being taken out and would be glad to see it return for DA3, but there is hardly ever "no reason" why something happens in game development. That reason may be bad or not appealing to us as fans, but there is ALWAYS a reason.

Alright, maybe they could have taken out some of the bald, intangible citizens of Kirkwall?  Gotten rid of the horns on the Qunari?  Had one less fetch quest without any dialogue?

Or maybe Laidlaw could have chosen not to blatantly lie to us about it's inclusion?  That would have been a start.

Please stop being just bitter about all this. Then step back and try to look at it objectively. Right now you stink of a vendetta and are really hard to take serious.

[Teddie Sage]

Monica21 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Foolish based on what? Shortsighted based on what? Nothing, because there is no information to prove otherwise. If Xil meant something other than what was said then perhaps it needs to be restated.

As of now, I can see no benefit from removing the option for this story.

A story which you, admittedly, know next to nothing about.

Don't forget that we're all on the same boat, so it's easy to jump at conclusions right now.

[Xilizhra]

Monica21 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Foolish based on what? Shortsighted based on what? Nothing, because there is no information to prove otherwise. If Xil meant something other than what was said then perhaps it needs to be restated.

As of now, I can see no benefit from removing the option for this story.

A story which you, admittedly, know next to nothing about.

Name me theoretical reasons why this could be the case, then.

[SirGladiator]

I don't really get why they are only having a human option, obviously SWTOR taught us how easy it is for a game to have just a TON of different types of main characters, and the fans were really only asking for 2, not the huge number SWTOR has. But they do have a deadline, they're no doubt gonna want the game to be ready for day 1 launch of the new game consoles, and if my not being able to play as a dwarf, like I personally would like the option to do, means they have the time they need to fix all the bugs and make the game that much more awesome and be 100% certain they can get it all done by the end of next year so that it can come out at the right time and be the most popular game of all time, then I can accept that. Its not something to like, but so long as everything else is super awesome, its something I can accept without being too unhappy. And of course, adding more character types is something they can always do with DLC, so its not like its impossible to do it later.