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[upsettingshorts]

ianvillan wrote...

When Bioware made DA2 they said they had already taken the best of Origins and put them in DA2, and with Bioware only mentioning features that were in DA2 that will be returning for the next game the saying of taking the best of both games rings hollow.

Because it's completely impossible that they both disagree with you about what is best from both games, and there's literally no time at all to reveal DAO-derived features between now and release.

[BrowncoatN7]

Human again? -.-' Why do we have to play as the most boring race? Please tell me this is just a hypothetical thread! Doesn't seem likely, but... I missed playing as a Dalish elf in DA2 :/

Modifié par lament.ballad, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:28 .

[upsettingshorts]

lament.ballad wrote...

Why do we have to play as the most boring race?

They didn't say we'd have to play as an elf.

lament.ballad wrote...

I wanted to be an elf :/

Oh.

[Pauravi]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

EDIT - Also, the announcement that "future" DA products will have racial selection? Pathetic. .... Don't lead them on with a completely unlikely possibility

What insider information do you have about their future products that gives you the ability to make this evaluation?

Modifié par Pauravi, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:30 .

[Teddie Sage]

lament.ballad wrote...

Human again? -.-' Why do we have to play as the most boring race?

Not one human being is the same, so boring? Nah. The choice of not being to play other races is boring. But the human race itself isn't boring unless you're human-phobic.

[Rune-Chan]

edeheusch wrote...


To be honest I never had high expectations for DA3 considering the direction that DA2took, however I am optimistic and the fact that Bioware has announced that Dragon Age 3 will be “the best from both games, Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2″ give me some hope that they had learned from their mistakes.

They said that about Mass Effect 3 as well, remember. In regards to being the best from ME1 and ME2.

[Ayanna Thalis]

In truth, I would be more cheesed off if we had to play an elf or dwarf than a human. So I can live with it.

[Harle Cerulean]

nightscrawl wrote...

Wow a confirmation on something!

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I don't like it or hate it, I simply think it's not a key issue. Lots of great games make you play as a human (or even restrict you to a single human male), and tons of mediocre games let you play as other races.

The reason why I like the Dragon Age games has little to do with whether or not I can play an elf or a dwarf, although I do feel that the elves/dwarves have kind of been marginalized in their lore importance. I'd like to see more done with them even if we can't play as them.

Wow this is exactly how I feel.

I'll add that while I'm a tad disappointed, particularly where dwarves are concerned, I'm not at all surprised. Humans, moreso even than elven magi (even those a part of the Circle, as Orsino was,) have the largest stake in the mage/templar war. The Chantry is a human institution. These are human laws. This is, by and large, a human problem, even though it can affect other races.

I still maintain the hope that after we get this whole issue over with in some form or other, we can put more focus onto the other rares and lore by bringing them back into the picture as a playable race option. I'm hoping this isn't going to turn into something like the end of Lord of the Rings where it's all "now is the time of men" and the other races just fade away...



I also feel really badly for those who will take this confirmation hard =/.

On the bolded, are you kidding me?  I've seen this argument a few times, and I do not understand it one bit.  How are the elven mages less affected than human mages?  How are City Elves, who are also by-and-large Andrastian, less affected?  They don't get "get out of war free" passes because they have pointy ears; if anything, they'll be more persecuted, because elven mages have the double whammy of mage prejudice and elven prejudice against them.  The Dalish might be able to avoid it, though I have no doubt the rogue Templars will kill the Dalish and their Keepers happily whether they're trying to be uninvolved or not.  But elven Circle mages?  This is definitely their fight too.  Same with City Elves - they may have relatives who are Circle mages, or be devout Andrastians who would happily turn mages over.

[The Elder King]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

lament.ballad wrote...

Why do we have to play as the most boring race?

They didn't say we'd have to play as an elf.

lament.ballad wrote...

I wanted to be an elf :/

Oh.

I don't find  playing any of the races in DAO boring, though the three classical races are surely cliched in the DA world (though the elves aren't mighty powerful as in other lore).

[Svanhildr]

I prefer playing as humans so I have no objections. Would the choice be in the game, I would still play as a human.

[jwalker]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Making more races is stupid if you can't do it right.In DAO 99% people didn't notice that I'm a dwarf or an elf,and I'n every decision that is about dwarfs or elfs i feel forced to side with my race,I think human is the best neutral perspective.

And 99% of the time they don't notice you're either female or male. And that's good.
I missed dwarfs and elves in DA2. I really hoped they would be coming back for DA3. This sucks 

[The Elder King]

Teddie Sage wrote...

lament.ballad wrote...

Human again? -.-' Why do we have to play as the most boring race?

Not one human being is the same, so boring? Nah. The choice of not being to play other races is boring. But the human race itself isn't boring unless you're human-phobic.

Why? I don't think that playing as human is boring, but I don't understand why one has to be human-phobic to find playing as a human boring. Could you explain yourself?

[Teddie Sage]

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

lament.ballad wrote...

Human again? -.-' Why do we have to play as the most boring race?

Not one human being is the same, so boring? Nah. The choice of not being to play other races is boring. But the human race itself isn't boring unless you're human-phobic.

Why? I don't think that playing as human is boring, but I don't understand why one has to be human-phobic to find playing as a human boring. Could you explain yourself?

It was a friendly tease, a joke.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:38 .

[Monica21]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

lament.ballad wrote...

Why do we have to play as the most boring race?

They didn't say we'd have to play as an elf.

lament.ballad wrote...

I wanted to be an elf :/

Oh.

Heh.

[The Elder King]

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

lament.ballad wrote...

Human again? -.-' Why do we have to play as the most boring race?

Not one human being is the same, so boring? Nah. The choice of not being to play other races is boring. But the human race itself isn't boring unless you're human-phobic.

Why? I don't think that playing as human is boring, but I don't understand why one has to be human-phobic to find playing as a human boring. Could you explain yourself?

It was a friendly tease, a joke.

Ah, my bad. I didn't realize it.

[Teddie Sage]

@hhh89: I kinda find it odd how people say the human race is boring while it's the most variable species on this planet and in video games too, though.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:42 .

[Pauravi]

lament.ballad wrote...

Human again? -.-' Why do we have to play as the most boring race? Please tell me this is just a hypothetical thread! Doesn't seem likely, but... I missed playing as a Dalish elf in DA2 :/

Elves are no less boring than humans, IMO.  Honestly, I think RPG'ers just get attached to particular fantasy races and prefer to play that race in all instances whether or not there is any actual interesting story or dialogue that goes along with those choices, elf players in particular.  Of course then they complain loudly that their creative role playing is being stiffled by any game that won't let them indulge their desire to play with their favorite archetype, the "beautiful-and-graceful-and-good-at-everything-dual-wielding-elven-fighter-mage".

[Harle Cerulean]

Teddie Sage wrote...

@hhh89: I kinda find it odd how people say the human race is boring while it's the most variable species on this planet and in video games too, though.

I find playing as a human boring, because I'm human every damn day. If I want to play a human, I can go do Real Life.

[BrowncoatN7]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

@hhh89: I kinda find it odd how people say the human race is boring while it's the most variable species on this planet and in video games too, though.

I find playing as a human boring, because I'm human every damn day. If I want to play a human, I can go do Real Life.

This.

[nightscrawl]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

You can only play DA2 as 3 different characters. "Funny, Mean or Kind". None of these options has any effect on the game whatsoevers. they only affect the tone of the conversations, all of wich leads to the excact same ending of the game.

I have replayed the original Half-Life 4 separate times.  The playthrough for this game is identical.

People replay stuff because they enjoy the experience.

Attempting to hand wave that other people have replayed DA2 and attempting to undermine their satisfaction for doing so gets you no where.

To add to this, I have finished a full play of DAO around six times. The majority of those are as a human female mage who romanced Alistair. That is my canon play. I also carry that character over into DAA. My line of thinking is that if I'm going to invest 85 hours (my longest play with all DLC) into something I want to be sure I will enjoy it, which leaves me little room for experimentation.

DA2 on the other hand, being a shorter game and also faster paced, I did feel a bit freer to experiment with my gender, class, personality, and romance choices. My DA2 plays are about half as long, and consequently I've played it double the amount of times as I have DAO.

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Making more races is stupid if you can't do it right.In DAO 99% people didn't notice that I'm a dwarf or an elf,and I'n every decision that is about dwarfs or elfs i feel forced to side with my race,I think human is the best neutral perspective.

I thought that DAO did well with the racial recognition in the areas that matched your own background. If you were a mage there was enhanced dialogue for you during Redcliffe and Broken Circle; if you were a dwarf there was additional dialogue for you in Orzammar, also reflective of your character's background (noble vs casteless); a human noble got more dialogue in Redcliffe and when dealing with Landsmeet issues; -- I can't speak to the elven origins since I never played them beyond Ostagar.

While some have complained that DAO is basically the same for everyone after you enter Ostagar, I felt that there was enough tidbits sprinkled throughout as to not ignore your origin choice. And if you think about it, the use of the Grey Wardens was great in that regard. Because you are a Warden, you are given certain leeway (by the NPCs) when dealing with people of another race that you might not be afforded otherwise.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:46 .

[MoogleNut]

 I generally only play as human anyway, have tried the other races, but find it easier to get into my character as human, as a result, my 'canon' Warden is human, and that will be the save I bring through all the DA games that allow it.

I have no trouble making either Hawke or Shepard 'my own' so the voiced/partially set charater doesn't bother me either.

As long as I get to play as close to myself as possible - non-girly, gay and female (Ugh the Lady Hawke/ME3 FemShep 'walk' is horrible by the way:sick:) I'm happy.

So yeah, as long as I'm not forced to be straight, male and/or super-girly then I'm good. 

[Teddie Sage]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

I find playing as a human boring, because I'm human every damn day. If I want to play a human, I can go do Real Life.

You still get to experience the story, even if you're human. I know people here wanted more races options, but without the story and the other characters (the NPCs) this story wouldn't really exist. Plus the fact that your choices as a player will be able to carry over and shape the world as you go, I like that. I don't need to be a dwarf or an elf to enjoy the full Dragon Age experience, all I need is the story, the companions and some interesting gameplay.

[The Elder King]

Teddie Sage wrote...

@hhh89: I kinda find it odd how people say the human race is boring while it's the most variable species on this planet and in video games too, though.

I'd say is because the majority of the games forces us to play as humans.

[Pauravi]

Machines Are Us wrote...

They said that about Mass Effect 3 as well, remember. In regards to being the best from ME1 and ME2.

I thought it was, in a lot of ways.
The weapons, for instance.  You could customize them, as in ME1, but the weapons themselves were numerous and unique in feel and function, as in ME2.  I thought that the weapon and armor situation in ME3 was pretty much ideal.

[Xilizhra]

Pauravi wrote...

lament.ballad wrote...

Human again? -.-' Why do we have to play as the most boring race? Please tell me this is just a hypothetical thread! Doesn't seem likely, but... I missed playing as a Dalish elf in DA2 :/

Elves are no less boring than humans, IMO.  Honestly, I think RPG'ers just get attached to particular fantasy races and prefer to play that race in all instances whether or not there is any actual interesting story or dialogue that goes along with those choices, elf players in particular.  Of course then they complain loudly that their creative role playing is being stiffled by any game that won't let them indulge their desire to play with their favorite archetype, the "beautiful-and-graceful-and-good-at-everything-dual-wielding-elven-fighter-mage".

Humans are boring because we constantly adventure in human-controlled areas, and human PCs never have a chance to bring around different cultural views than the default, namely bland Andrastianism. A human PC adventuring for a game in elf lands could, in theory, be more interesting, but isn't being offered. A human with a different cultural/religious perspective, such as a Chasind or Tevinter Old God follower, could also be interesting, but I worry that they'll forget about the Chasind entirely and throw out the Tevinters as being lolevil.