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[zyntifox]

hhh89 wrote...

ianvillan wrote...




I was sure one of the devs said the reason for the isometric view removal was because they had created great looking ceilings and with an isometric view you would miss out of seeing those.

As a console player, I couldn't care less about great looking ceilings (plus, I didn't like much DA2 graphics, but that's another matter). I don't know if it's possible (I doubt it), but I'd have liked the option of having the isometric view on console too.

As a fellow console player i agree. Would make the strategic part of combat, assuming they still aim for strategic combat, a lot easier with isometric view.

[KR4U55]

After the re-design I really wanted to play an Elf, since they are no longer short humans with pointy ears. Besides I always choose diferent races for role-playing. I understand that an agent of the Chantry can't be a dwarf, and it would make little sense being an elf, even when the in-universe possibilities are amazing. A traitor for the Dalish, a motivational figure for city elven.

I really love roleplaying as a minority, but if there's nothing I can do, then human is fine.

[TheJediSaint]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

But at the same time, if no one said they were fine with this decision, the BSN would explode with people saying "See Bioware? No one even wants a human protagonist! How could you be so stupid? It is MP all over again!"

He wasn't talking about people being okay with the decision. He was talking about people bieing okay with the decision because they percieved it as not affecting them.

Different.

What, exactly, is wrong with people saying Bioware's decision doesn't affect them?

[Sandy]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'm mind boggled by the number of responses like this.

Not that I can't imagine people who would only play humans (I can) but that you would feel the need to say it. If they had announced the game would only come out on XBox and people were raging about it, would it not seem incredibly d!ckish to come in and say "I only play games on the XBox, so this doesn't affect me."

I mean... if people are upset about something, nothing makes it worse than someone coming in and saying "this doesn't affect me, so I'm cool." 

Not trying to call you out specifically, Gali, but I've seen that response over two dozen times in this thread it seems like and am baffled by it every single time. 

I can't say that strikes me as rude or "d*ckish." Just...lacking perspective.

The people who only play as humans have every right to post that they are fine with DA3 having a human-only protagonist. Just as much right as people who are disappointed have to post that they are sad about elves and dwarves not being playable. The comparison to Xbox and platforms is not really the same thing. One has to do with content in the game (race-options) and one has to do with accessibility to play the game (platform-options). Apples and oranges really.

Also, only letting people post who have negative or critical things to say about the game would just give a false picture on these forums of what people want and like. The forums are already a bad place to look for when it comes to demographics, since the minority is always more vocal, and the ones that are not content are even more vocal... Let those who are content post that as well. Anything else is just an attempt to make your views appear to represent a larger percentage of the playerbase than they do.

I am sorry you aren't getting exactly what you want, but people who are happy or don't mind playing humans should be allowed to point that out as well. I'm one of them, and I would like to be able to point that out without it being insinuated that I'm being an ass for having a different view.

As for lacking perspective for believing that a human-only-protagonist is a good thing. I wholeheartedly disagree. I think the story will be better for it, and since I already always play as a human I only see it as a plus. I don't see the decision imparing any other aspect of the game or any future games. Others may disagree with me, but I still have every right to like the human-only-protagonist.

Modifié par sandellniklas, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:54 .

[Uccio]

Sir Caradoc wrote...

Ofcourse it is dissapointing.

This is a rich fantasy game with various races and cultures and yet our character is forced to be human. I truly hoped that bioware would try aiming higher and get back to what roleplaying games are about. Is it that difficult to write a story where player character could also be a dwarf of an elf? Many rpgs have pulled that off.

I notice that many people here don't mind this decision at all. Actually many have stated in detail that they like that bioware has elimanted this irksome choise. I don't honestly know how to counter an argument like that. You actually prefer less choises in a roleplaying game. You don't mind that character creation has less options. I understand that you like more definied character, but I'd rather have more choise. This would force writes to be more creative too.

Well I'm not going to state silly comments like that DA3 is doomed, but clearly this is not a good sign.

x 2, seconded.

[Fast Jimmy]

David Gaider wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I'm mind boggled by the number of responses like this.

Not that I can't imagine people who would only play humans (I can) but that you would feel the need to say it. If they had announced the game would only come out on XBox and people were raging about it, would it not seem incredibly d!ckish to come in and say "I only play games on the XBox, so this doesn't affect me."

I mean... if people are upset about something, nothing makes it worse than someone coming in and saying "this doesn't affect me, so I'm cool." 

Not trying to call you out specifically, Gali, but I've seen that response over two dozen times in this thread it seems like and am baffled by it every single time. 

What's the alternative? Only people who are upset are allowed to post in a thread like this? Considering the people who like to imagine there is consensus regarding any issue they're upset about, I think it's fine to offer one's opinion on the topic even if it's ambivalence... one does not generally find threads dedicated to "I am abivalent over the lack of player races", after all, so it's perhaps not so terrible to say "hey, not everyone is upset about this."

Especially when we don't allow multiple threads on a topic, and all chat about player races is currently being directed here.

No, not at all. I don't mind people saying they aren't enraged by it. I don't mind anyone voicing their opinion. There have been many people who have argued why a human-only PC would enhance the story, or allot resources elsewhere, or that they didn't think multiple races were really convincing when they were offered in DA:O.

All of those arguments are valid and were interesting to read.

Having the only input be that "you never play multiple races, so you don't care" seems to offer nothing of value to the conversation, other than to just say you are getting what you want anyway, so you don't care about anyone else.

Again, not bad, evil or even intentional, I'd bet. Just comes off ot me as a little... inconsiderate.

[Tarathelion]

I think the problem is, some people view things a little bit too black and white. DA;O with multiple races was great, DAII with only humans sucked(not my opinion). Therefore every game dragon age without race choices will suck aswell regardless of any other features and execution. And game with multiple choices will be great.
Fortunately, its not the case, you can create good or bad game wheter you have 1 or more races in game. I have high hopes that DA III will be really good game

[Zanallen]

EntropicAngel wrote...

But the problem with that is that it shows A) a lack of empathy (that was jimmy's point) and a lack of foresight.

Europeans not caring about an American recession (or, the inverse, if that offends you) shows a lack of foresight--it may not affect you now, but it may spread and affect you.

Bioware's decision to limit PCs to humans may cause them to go to other areas where people WILL be affected by decisions.

I say all this not minding this decision myself. Just pointing it out.

Not terribly applicable. Removing racial choice isn't going to spread out into the removal of other things. Now, Bioware might remove other choices. That is a posibility. But it will be a separate decision that requires a separate opinion. And if such does happen, I will have no problem with people expressing how it doesn't affect them. That is the nature of the game. Some people are going to like a particular decision, some will hate it and some just won't care. All opinions are valid and should be allowed to be expressed.

[upsettingshorts]

Even if you just drop by to say you don't care, that opinion has just as much weight and I encourage everyone to share how they feel. This "stop coming here if you aren't mad its frustrating" stuff pops up every ten pages or so and its always self serving.

[Fast Jimmy]

sandellniklas wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'm mind boggled by the number of responses like this.

Not that I can't imagine people who would only play humans (I can) but that you would feel the need to say it. If they had announced the game would only come out on XBox and people were raging about it, would it not seem incredibly d!ckish to come in and say "I only play games on the XBox, so this doesn't affect me."

I mean... if people are upset about something, nothing makes it worse than someone coming in and saying "this doesn't affect me, so I'm cool." 

Not trying to call you out specifically, Gali, but I've seen that response over two dozen times in this thread it seems like and am baffled by it every single time. 

I can't say that strikes me as rude or "d*ckish." Just...lacking perspective.

The people who only play as humans have every right to post that they are fine with DA3 having a human-only protagonist. Just as much right as people who are disappointed have to post that they are sad about elves and dwarves not being playable. The comparison to Xbox and platforms is not really the same thing. One has to do with content in the game (race-options) and one has to do with accessibility to play the game (platform-options). Apples and oranges really.

Also, only letting people post who have negative or critical things to say about the game would just give a false picture on these forums of what people want and like. The forums are already a bad place to look for when it comes to demographics, since the minority is always more vocal, and the ones that are not content are even more vocal... Let those who are content post that as well. Anything else is just an attempt to make your views appear to represent a larger percentage of the playerbase than they do.

I am sorry you aren't getting exactly what you want, but people who are happy or don't mind playing humans should be allowed to point that out as well. I'm one of them, and I would like to be able to point that out without it being insinuated that I'm being an ass for having a different view.

As for lacking perspective for believing that a human-only-protagonist is a good thing. I wholeheartedly disagree. I think the story will be better for it, and since I already always play as a human I only see it as a plus. I don't see the decision imparing any other aspect of the game or any future games. Others may disagree with me, but I still have every right to like the human-only-protagonist.

Who said I'm not getting what I want? Have I said anything about Bioware being the devil because we can't get multiple races? To me, this isn't news really at all, I have been expecting it to come out this way since the leak hinted we were going to be part of an Inquisition, which to me precluded race selection right off the bat.

Entropic Angel was not saying that a human-only protagonist is lacking perspective. He was saying people making the comment "I only play human, this doesn't affect me" wasn't malicious, but lacking in perspective of how such a comment would make others feel who ARE bent out of shape about it. 

Just wanted to clear up a few things, but now I'm going to take a page from Gaider's book and just say that's all I'm going to say about it anymore. Its already garnered too much attention to accomplish nothing of real note anyway.

[nightscrawl]

Tarathelion wrote...

I think the problem is, some people view things a little bit too black and white. DA;O with multiple races was great, DAII with only humans sucked(not my opinion). Therefore every game dragon age without race choices will suck aswell regardless of any other features and execution. And game with multiple choices will be great.
Fortunately, its not the case, you can create good or bad game wheter you have 1 or more races in game. I have high hopes that DA III will be really good game

Agree.

I also tend to think that it would be been interesting had the DA franchise started off with the mage/templar conflict, human only PC, and then moved on to the Fifth Blight where we had the multiple origin stories, perhaps in the fourth or fifth (har har) game as a sort of grand finale to the series.

[Vilegrim]

I am more concerned about what that character will be, and if we will be shoehorned into loyalist. (Given Mr Gaider's posts about not believing in the maker in other threads this has to be my major turn off) other races would be nice, especially ones that aren't part of the Chantry, but if it isn't available....

[Zanallen]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

No, not at all. I don't mind people saying they aren't enraged by it. I don't mind anyone voicing their opinion. There have been many people who have argued why a human-only PC would enhance the story, or allot resources elsewhere, or that they didn't think multiple races were really convincing when they were offered in DA:O.

All of those arguments are valid and were interesting to read.

Having the only input be that "you never play multiple races, so you don't care" seems to offer nothing of value to the conversation, other than to just say you are getting what you want anyway, so you don't care about anyone else.

Again, not bad, evil or even intentional, I'd bet. Just comes off ot me as a little... inconsiderate.

It helps validate Bioware's oft-disputed metric data that claims that most people never even played the non-human origins in DA:O.

[TheJediSaint]

The lack of race choice doesn't bother me because what's important to me in an RPG is being able to shape who my character is through the course of the game, not what they are at the start. 

[upsettingshorts]

EntropicAngel wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

What, exactly, is wrong with people saying Bioware's decision doesn't affect them?

Look up the page.

youre wrong.
this isnt a support group for people upset about the human protagonist, its a feedback thread
feedback that conveys ambivalence or indifference, as well as support and opposition are all equally valuable

[Tarathelion]

Ukki wrote...

Sir Caradoc wrote...

Ofcourse it is dissapointing.

This is a rich fantasy game with various races and cultures and yet our character is forced to be human. I truly hoped that bioware would try aiming higher and get back to what roleplaying games are about. Is it that difficult to write a story where player character could also be a dwarf of an elf? Many rpgs have pulled that off.

I notice that many people here don't mind this decision at all. Actually many have stated in detail that they like that bioware has elimanted this irksome choise. I don't honestly know how to counter an argument like that. You actually prefer less choises in a roleplaying game. You don't mind that character creation has less options. I understand that you like more definied character, but I'd rather have more choise. This would force writes to be more creative too.

Well I'm not going to state silly comments like that DA3 is doomed, but clearly this is not a good sign.

x 2, seconded.

I am one of people that isn't really affected by that choice as i pley humans usually anyway. I am aware that for some people  its an important issue and i am sympathetic to that.
You have've asked is it better to have more options than not. Ofcourse it is. However you need to remmeber that any additional races cost more time and money. Money that can be spent elswhere (extending gameplay and such) I seriously doubt Bioware have made this choice just to spite some people, there are reasons for it. Thats why i am fine with that.

I can understand disapointment. What i connot understand is why some many people jump to conclusion that game will be crap because of it.

[Swagger7]

I can't say I'm at all happy about being restricted to human only, but there's still much to look forward to with DA3. I do wish you'd drop us a bit of good news to go along with the bad. Anything?

PS:  Just please let us have customizable dwarves and elves in the multiplayer.  Then at least I'll be able to have full use of the customization.

Modifié par Swagger7, 22 octobre 2012 - 03:08 .

[TheJediSaint]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

What, exactly, is wrong with people saying Bioware's decision doesn't affect them?

Look up the page.

youre wrong.
this isnt a support group for people upset about the human protagonist, its a feedback thread
feedback that conveys ambivalence or indifference, as well as support and opposition are all equally valuable

That's mighty big of you, Shorts.  However, I only consider my opinion of any value and Bioware should only listen to me.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 22 octobre 2012 - 03:06 .

[TheJediSaint]

Swagger7 wrote...

I can't say I'm at all happy about being restricted to human only, but there's still much to look forward to with DA3. I do wish you'd drop us a bit of good news to go along with the bad. Anything?

You get a Castle.  No word on if it will have Griffons, though. 

[In Exile]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Having the only input be that "you never play multiple races, so you don't care" seems to offer nothing of value to the conversation, other than to just say you are getting what you want anyway, so you don't care about anyone else.

It's, IMO, a response to all the "bland human" posts. What those posts are saying is more than just being an elf or dwarf is good ... they're saying that, picking human at all, that's bad. And that's really just an attack on players who play only human PCs.

Again, not bad, evil or even intentional, I'd bet. Just comes off ot me as a little... inconsiderate.

Again - it is. But it's a response to something equally inconsiderate.

[Swagger7]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Swagger7 wrote...

I can't say I'm at all happy about being restricted to human only, but there's still much to look forward to with DA3. I do wish you'd drop us a bit of good news to go along with the bad. Anything?

You get a Castle.  No word on if it will have Griffons, though. 

Meh.  Unless the mechanics of castle ownership are really fleshed out (like Awakening, but with much more content), I'd much rather have elves and dwarves.