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[Fast Jimmy]

In Exile wrote...

In a somewhat related (but more tangential) idea, I always hear people
talking about their City Elf DW rogue, or their Human Noble
sword-and-shield warrior... yet I never hear people talk about their
Sole Survivor Soldier, or their Colonist born Vanguard.

That's because we're on ME3. In ME1 we always talked about this.

I was actually a little ticked off in ME3 when my Spacer Shepherd didn't do anything about making sure his mom was okay other than reading an email. 

Then again... in ME2 he didn't even reply to the email where she yelled at him for not letting her know he came back to life... so maybe Shep is just kinda d!ckish.

[In Exile]

EntropicAngel wrote...
In game, maybe, but for me the origins, and more specifically the choices I made during them say a LOT about my character. A mage can either be a good little Circle-er and report Jowan, or go along with his plan, no? That says a lot about your character.

Or think Jowan is a nut and won't go out on a limb for him. But yeah, I agree. I like playable origins. They're just not in, so I figured I'd opine on our background instead.

I was actually a little ticked off in ME3 when my Spacer Shepherd
didn't do anything about making sure his mom was okay other than reading
an email. 

Then again... in ME2 he didn't even reply to the
email where she yelled at him for not letting her know he came back to
life... so maybe Shep is just kinda d!ckish.

Those background were handwaved faster than you could say Hero of Ferelden the Citadel. I thought they were really, really great in ME1, though. I'll never forget "I Remember Me".

Modifié par In Exile, 22 octobre 2012 - 03:55 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Emzamination wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Again, not bad, evil or even intentional, I'd bet. Just comes off ot me as a little... inconsiderate.

Good thing my comment was simply I don't care.

Not to stir up this hornet's nest again, but I feel like "I don't care" is a more valid response than the type I mentioned. It doesn't bring a whole lot to the conversation, but its a valid opinion. 

Saying that you only play humans, so you're game is fine is indicating you DO care (indicating by the fact that given the choice of races, you actively don't choose the other races) and that you got the choice you care about, so you win. Again, that may not be how these comments are intended, but they certainly can be read like that.

And, again, to clarify, I'm more in the "I don't care" camp either, as it seems like we are getting backgrounds (however that may play out) which means I am not stuck with the same character, regardless, like in the case of Hawke. Multiple races aren't as important as being able to play a character with multiple starting points. I'm a little bummed these aren't going to be playable, but barring any more information, I'll wait to make any determinations.

[Fast Jimmy]

EntropicAngel wrote...

There's that word again.

Its a great one. My word of the day, for sure.

[upsettingshorts]

"I only play humans" is valid feedback. It asserts that to that individual, the option to select other races not being included in a game does not represent a loss of value.

Considering that BioWare's internal metrics assert that this attitude is prevalent among the vast majority of their players, and such statistics are frequently challenged for their accuracy and relevance, individual players speaking up to confirm that people represented in those metrics exist is perfectly acceptable.

On some level I understand the tone argument, that people could state it with a little more nuance.  But this is the BSN, might as well be shouting at clouds. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:03 .

[CrazyRah]

I'm quite disappointed in being forced to be human.. again. It's not a gamebreaker by any means but it will greatly affect my interest in the title and it create a restriction that i had hope wouldn't be there. Sad to hear that if i buy the game i'll be forced human but at least they might be able to get the world to react a tiny bit if i'm mage..

[Fast Jimmy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

"I only play humans" is valid feedback. It asserts that to that individual, the option to select other races not being included in a game does not represent a loss of value.

Considering that BioWare's internal metrics assert that this attitude is prevalent among the vast majority of their players, and such statistics are frequently challenged for their accuracy and relevance, individual players speaking up to confirm that people represented in those metrics exist is perfectly acceptable.

On some level I understand the tone argument, that people could state it with a little more nuance.  But this is the BSN, might as well be shouting at clouds. 

A very valid post, but I still can't help but think about this when you say that about clouds.


In line with racial choices, the OGB... is that going to look differently based on the fact that our Warden could be a dwarf? I mean... what would a dwarf/human hybrid even LOOK like? Danny Devito?

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:12 .

[TK514]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

"I only play humans" is valid feedback. It asserts that to that individual, the option to select other races not being included in a game does not represent a loss of value.

Considering that BioWare's internal metrics assert that this attitude is prevalent among the vast majority of their players, and such statistics are frequently challenged for their accuracy and relevance, individual players speaking up to confirm that people represented in those metrics exist is perfectly acceptable.

On some level I understand the tone argument, that people could state it with a little more nuance.  But this is the BSN, might as well be shouting at clouds. 

Shorts keeps saying what I'd say, so I'll just quote.

Also, I only play humans so this doesn't effect me. 

[AllThatJazz]

I would LOVE to see backgrounds that are specific to either Warrior or Rogue - say Army Brat for Warrior (equivalent to ME's Spacer, I suppose), and Coterie for rogue (that was the name of a thieves guild in DA2, and is kind of Orlesian sounding). That's as well as the more generic ones for Warriors/Rogues (Commoner, Noble, Criminal, Chantry), and Mage specific (Apostate, Circle - can there be any more for mages??). Really am hoping that they do play more of a role in the narrative than ME's backgrounds - which were a lovely touch, but didn't add much to the gameplay.

I'd love to see a whole quest arc that spans the entire game dependent on your background, though I accept that such maybe a tad unrealistic Oooh, but if you also get some class-specific content, that would add so much replayability!

Eh, am getting a little ahead of myself :/

[upsettingshorts]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

 I still can't help but think about [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tgp5VZD1Ak} this[/url] when you say that about clouds.

This is offtopic but you're sorta close.  I was actually thinking of this:



"Pictured: BSN user laments passive-aggressive atmosphere."

[In Exile]

Fast Jimmy wrote..
Saying that you only play humans, so you're game is fine is indicating you DO care (indicating by the fact that given the choice of races, you actively don't choose the other races) and that you got the choice you care about, so you win. Again, that may not be how these comments are intended, but they certainly can be read like that.

I keep saying this, but it's natural for people to be upset when they only play a game a certain way and you get other comments like "Oh, god, bland humans! UGH! DA3 is ruined." That's as close to an indirect attack on a preference as you're getting without just out and out saying people are wrong to play a game that way.

[Fast Jimmy]

TK514 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

"I only play humans" is valid feedback. It asserts that to that individual, the option to select other races not being included in a game does not represent a loss of value.

Considering that BioWare's internal metrics assert that this attitude is prevalent among the vast majority of their players, and such statistics are frequently challenged for their accuracy and relevance, individual players speaking up to confirm that people represented in those metrics exist is perfectly acceptable.

On some level I understand the tone argument, that people could state it with a little more nuance.  But this is the BSN, might as well be shouting at clouds. 

Shorts keeps saying what I'd say, so I'll just quote.

Also, I only play humans so this doesn't effect me. 

Okay... now THAT'S d!ckish. I mean... just saying. 

[Jerrybnsn]

Hey! There's this great new Bioware RPG coming out that doesn't import characters or have multi-races to choose from! Can you believe it?!  It's really pushing the boundaries of rpgs like no one ever has before!

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:18 .

[upsettingshorts]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Hey! There's this great new Bioware RPG coming out that doesn't import characters or have multi-races to choose from! Can you believe it?!

Most BioWare RPGs lack at least one of these features, a couple lack both.  Plus, we don't know what BioWare is doing with imports because BioWare doesn't know what they're doing with imports.

Furthermore almost no RPGs allow imports, and none that I know of allow imports of any meaningful value aside from... BioWare RPGs.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:17 .

[eroeru]

You keep throwing around the term "passive-aggressive" all the time, not considering that the posts could have meaning, the psychology of the posters nonwithstanding (and certainly there's not enough for you to base even that assessment on - on the internet, anything, criticism moreso could be taken as aggressiveness, we don't see intent nor tone here)

edit: albeit this is certainly a bit off-topic - just that I wanted to explain an annoyance.

Modifié par eroeru, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:19 .

[John Epler]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Hey! There's this great new Bioware RPG coming out that doesn't import characters or have multi-races to choose from! Can you believe it?!  It's really pushing the boundaries of rpgs like no one ever has before!

Trolling is against the rules. One and only warning.

[upsettingshorts]

If you're talking to me, I'm not sure you followed my point. The gist was that tone policing is futile around here for a variety of reasons, and yet implied tone is really the only valid issue anyone ought to have with someone coming here and saying they don't care about something. Anyway, if you're not talking to me then... whatever, ignore this.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:21 .

[zambingo]

I don't mind having a human protag as long as we get a nice character creator.

[John Epler]

Let's be clear, in fact. If you're not interested in contributing to the ongoing discussion, don't post. Consider this a simple and clear guiding principle for future posting bliss.

[Cutlass Jack]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

It's really pushing the boundaries of rpgs like no one ever has before!

Because Roleplaying boundries are only determined by what races you can play. Take a walk in the Dragon's Dogma charcter creator sometime. It allows a pretty broad spectrum for 'human.' Just like this planet we live on.

Give me a robust character creator and truly interesting backgrounds that affect the story and I'll be pretty happy with Human.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:25 .

[Fast Jimmy]

AllThatJazz wrote...

I would LOVE to see backgrounds that are specific to either Warrior or Rogue - say Army Brat for Warrior (equivalent to ME's Spacer, I suppose), and Coterie for rogue (that was the name of a thieves guild in DA2, and is kind of Orlesian sounding). That's as well as the more generic ones for Warriors/Rogues (Commoner, Noble, Criminal, Chantry), and Mage specific (Apostate, Circle - can there be any more for mages??). Really am hoping that they do play more of a role in the narrative than ME's backgrounds - which were a lovely touch, but didn't add much to the gameplay.

I'd love to see a whole quest arc that spans the entire game dependent on your background, though I accept that such maybe a tad unrealistic Oooh, but if you also get some class-specific content, that would add so much replayability!

Eh, am getting a little ahead of myself :/

I like your ambition! After all, if the purpose of a human-only PC is to help tell a more appropriate and deeper story, I say we start questioning how deep this rabbit hole can really go.

[CrazyRah]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

It's really pushing the boundaries of rpgs like no one ever has before!

Because Roleplaying boundries are only determined by what races you can play. Take a walk in the Dragon's Dogma charcter creator sometime. It allows a pretty broad spectrum for 'human.' Just like this planet we live on.

Give me a robust character creator and truly interesting backgrounds that affect the story and I'll be pretty happy with Human.

If they give us those two then i'll be happy enough to be human. It will give the variety that other races also can offer. 

[eroeru]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If you're talking to me, I'm not sure you followed my point. The gist was that tone policing is futile around here for a variety of reasons, and yet implied tone is really the only valid issue anyone ought to have with someone coming here and saying they don't care about something. Anyway, if you're not talking to me then... whatever, ignore this.

Yeah, just that I've been following these threads and because of a overuse of the phrase, every time I see it something just sorta ticks me off. Might have something to do with its non-relevance, might be an implied tone, whatever. Just wanted to let you know.

As to the topic of people not caring - I think this is thanks to successful work in handling feedback and timing the various degree' announcements.

So there's certainly no problem on that front this time round... I'd be mad right now myself if David Gaider or others wouldn't come by once in a while and give some transparency to the process. 

edit: aah, missed kinda the point in my post, again.  
Though I frankly don't think people are being so very inconsiderate at the moment. Could be worse (for a lack of transparency)

Modifié par eroeru, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:36 .