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[mopotter]

Also have no problem with this. As long as I have gender choice and can change how my characters look, I'm ok.

[Cutlass Jack]

AllThatJazz wrote...

I would LOVE to see backgrounds that are specific to either Warrior or Rogue - say Army Brat for Warrior (equivalent to ME's Spacer, I suppose), and Coterie for rogue (that was the name of a thieves guild in DA2, and is kind of Orlesian sounding). That's as well as the more generic ones for Warriors/Rogues (Commoner, Noble, Criminal, Chantry), and Mage specific (Apostate, Circle - can there be any more for mages??). Really am hoping that they do play more of a role in the narrative than ME's backgrounds - which were a lovely touch, but didn't add much to the gameplay.

I'd love to see a whole quest arc that spans the entire game dependent on your background, though I accept that such maybe a tad unrealistic Oooh, but if you also get some class-specific content, that would add so much replayability!

Eh, am getting a little ahead of myself :/

Missed this post when making mine. Yes thats exactly what I mean by robust backgrounds. The ME ones were a nice start didnt affect all that much. It would also be nice if the backgrounds provided some unique benefit in ability.

[Chromie]

Cutlass Jack wrote...
Give me a robust character creator and truly interesting backgrounds that affect the story and I'll be pretty happy with Human.

Well here's hoping Bioware actually decides to create a robust character creator for once. If we can't choose what race we want at least giving us the tools to make exactly how we want down to the smallest details.

[Dragoonlordz]

On this topic, it has gone in my cons list out of my pro-con to buy or not. This disappoints me and of course it would go in my cons list as cannot be any other way. I just hope there is not many more such disappointing news released because if the cons list is bigger than the pros I simply will either wait till price is low or not buy which to me is my approach to spending my money as there must be more upsides than downsides for me to throw my money at something.

At this stage though that is not the case yet meaning I have interest still in the game and con list is still smaller than the pro list. But this news was a big negative impact on my enthusiasm for the game and as such is also a big impact of my desire to buy. But the game is not written off yet, there are couple things that only just offset this news from the pro list based on what read and heard so far.

However those elements are in doubt at the moment and they are size of world, exploration and areas plus customisation, both of which I have my doubts about and they need to be VERY good and well done to offset this news about limitation of character (yet again after the limitation already imposed on us in DA2). Those elements of exploration and customistion are only just potentially in the pro list because so little information.

They are the ones potentially offsetting the negative impact of this news about limiting the player to human yet again so if either one of those elements slip in to the con list then I might end up skipping this game or waiting till very cheap to pick up. Here's hoping they don't half arse the rest of the elements in the game or keep taking the easy route as I always believe that if they lack effort, freedom, choice or quality in one element they need to make up for it in another.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:50 .

[Maria Caliban]

Skelter192 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...
Give me a robust character creator and truly interesting backgrounds that affect the story and I'll be pretty happy with Human.

Well here's hoping Bioware actually decides to create a robust character creator for once. If we can't choose what race we want at least giving us the tools to make exactly how we want down to the smallest details.

Right. You know that in EvE, your character is trapped in a small room and there's never more than a single human being on screen? And the only animation is 'walk' and 'sit?'

[AntiChri5]

I really don't see racial choices as something that particularly matters.

Sure, i had playthroughs of Origins as each race but i wouldn't have had any less had i been restricted to human.

What matters to me is choosing my protagonists character and identity, not their biology.

Why is having pointy ears important? This isn't facetious flame-baiting, i genuinely want to know.

Is it about coming from a different culture? Because that isn't restricted to race.

[Jerrybnsn]

John Epler wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Hey! There's this great new Bioware RPG coming out that doesn't import characters or have multi-races to choose from! Can you believe it?!  It's really pushing the boundaries of rpgs like no one ever has before!

Trolling is against the rules. One and only warning.

My apologies if you thought I was coming off as someone who was "trolling" for an argument.  I assumed the argument was already in discussion and used sarcasm to give short  his perspective that importing and multiple races can ruin a game and shouldn't be expected from a company that had set the standards for rpgs.

Sorry shorts.  I take back my sarcasm.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:49 .

[TMZuk]

It makes me feel sad.

I just don't get it. Does Bioware refuse to see why DA:O was such a succes? Do you refuse to learn from your mistakes? I want to play my character, not yours. I want more choices, not less. More freedom, not less.

The origins were a stroke of genius, which added so much replay-value to DA:O. Instead of exploring that road further, it is discarded. And why? Because of something so non-sensical as a voiced protagonist.

Of course I still hope to see Bioware produce a great game and turn the tables, but really, I can't see how. DA is becoming ME, and ME is stone dead for me. Unless a miracle happens, all I can say is:

Game Over!

[Fast Jimmy]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I really don't see racial choices as something that particularly matters.

Sure, i had playthroughs of Origins as each race but i wouldn't have had any less had i been restricted to human.

What matters to me is choosing my protagonists character and identity, not their biology.

Why is having pointy ears important? This isn't facetious flame-baiting, i genuinely want to know.

Is it about coming from a different culture? Because that isn't restricted to race.

Well... yeah, actually it is. 

Can you grow up in Orzammar as a human? Can you be a part of the Dalish clan all of your life and no be an elf? Humans have different cultures, too, of course. But many people that the most interesting cultures are the non-human (Kossith, Elven and Dwarven). For everyone one person clamouring to be an Orlesian, I could probably show you twenty that would rather be a City Elf again. 

Can they explore these cultures through NPCs and companions? Sure. Absolutely. We explored most of what we know about Antivan and Orlesian culture from Leliana and Zevran. But is it the same as playing that type of character yourself? I'd say its not. I may be outnumbered or wrong, but I'd still say, for me, its not.

[The_11thDoctor]

As long as there is better/deeper customization for the characters
great story
more exploration
grand scale fights
gorgeous landscapes that put DAO and DA2 to shame
Choices that matter

Im in. It's sad not to be able to choose race, but that's here nor there. Need real media on the game. I want to see what Bioware is doing with the FB2 engine.

[WhiteThunder]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I really don't see racial choices as something that particularly matters.

Sure, i had playthroughs of Origins as each race but i wouldn't have had any less had i been restricted to human.

What matters to me is choosing my protagonists character and identity, not their biology.

Why is having pointy ears important? This isn't facetious flame-baiting, i genuinely want to know.

Is it about coming from a different culture? Because that isn't restricted to race.

Personally, I enjoy the outsider perspective on events which, as an Andrastian human, I will not really have. Geralt from the Witcher series is an example of how to create an outsider character while remaining ostensibly human.

And I think that the real reason people are pissed about this is that they fear what it means for the direction of the game in general, that it will be just another waypoint in "BiowEAr's" slide into mediocrity and irrelevance.

[TMZuk]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I really don't see racial choices as something that particularly matters.

Sure, i had playthroughs of Origins as each race but i wouldn't have had any less had i been restricted to human.

What matters to me is choosing my protagonists character and identity, not their biology.

Why is having pointy ears important? This isn't facetious flame-baiting, i genuinely want to know.

Is it about coming from a different culture? Because that isn't restricted to race.

Well... yeah, actually it is. 

Can you grow up in Orzammar as a human? Can you be a part of the Dalish clan all of your life and no be an elf? Humans have different cultures, too, of course. But many people that the most interesting cultures are the non-human (Kossith, Elven and Dwarven). For everyone one person clamouring to be an Orlesian, I could probably show you twenty that would rather be a City Elf again. 

Can they explore these cultures through NPCs and companions? Sure. Absolutely. We explored most of what we know about Antivan and Orlesian culture from Leliana and Zevran. But is it the same as playing that type of character yourself? I'd say its not. I may be outnumbered or wrong, but I'd still say, for me, its not.

QFT!

[Emzamination]

WhiteThunder wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I really don't see racial choices as something that particularly matters.

Sure, i had playthroughs of Origins as each race but i wouldn't have had any less had i been restricted to human.

What matters to me is choosing my protagonists character and identity, not their biology.

Why is having pointy ears important? This isn't facetious flame-baiting, i genuinely want to know.

Is it about coming from a different culture? Because that isn't restricted to race.

Personally, I enjoy the outsider perspective on events which, as an Andrastian human, I will not really have. Geralt from the Witcher series is an example of how to create an outsider character while remaining ostensibly human.

And I think that the real reason people are pissed about this is that they fear what it means for the direction of the game in general, that it will be just another waypoint in "BiowEAr's" slide into mediocrity and irrelevance.

David gaider has spoken on the issue of religion and we all can stop calling the protagonist an Andrastian human now. Link

[LobselVith8]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

This is offtopic but you're sorta close.  I was actually thinking of this:



"Pictured: BSN user laments passive-aggressive atmosphere." 

I think some people are simply frustrated with the current direction of the Dragon Age franchise, in addition to the current news about the protagonist only being human. Some people were hoping to see a return to the Origins, since some of us really liked the Elven and Dwarven backgrounds provided in the original game. Not everyone is going to eloquently phrase their disappointment with the "human only" approach to Inquisition. I'm certainly not pleased with the news.

[Jerrybnsn]

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 22 octobre 2012 - 05:04 .

[WhiteThunder]

@Em

Word. That's good to hear. I still think that It will be difficult for the Inquistor handpicked by the Divine to be anything but a consummate insider, however.

[Uccio]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I really don't see racial choices as something that particularly matters.

Sure, i had playthroughs of Origins as each race but i wouldn't have had any less had i been restricted to human.

What matters to me is choosing my protagonists character and identity, not their biology.

Why is having pointy ears important? This isn't facetious flame-baiting, i genuinely want to know.

Is it about coming from a different culture? Because that isn't restricted to race.

Well... yeah, actually it is. 

Can you grow up in Orzammar as a human? Can you be a part of the Dalish clan all of your life and no be an elf? Humans have different cultures, too, of course. But many people that the most interesting cultures are the non-human (Kossith, Elven and Dwarven). For everyone one person clamouring to be an Orlesian, I could probably show you twenty that would rather be a City Elf again. 

Can they explore these cultures through NPCs and companions? Sure. Absolutely. We explored most of what we know about Antivan and Orlesian culture from Leliana and Zevran. But is it the same as playing that type of character yourself? I'd say its not. I may be outnumbered or wrong, but I'd still say, for me, its not.

Seconded. One of the good moments in Origins was my dwarf/city elf/Dalish were able to comment from their point of view to npc´s regarding issues, expecially faith.

[AllThatJazz]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

I would LOVE to see backgrounds that are specific to either Warrior or Rogue - say Army Brat for Warrior (equivalent to ME's Spacer, I suppose), and Coterie for rogue (that was the name of a thieves guild in DA2, and is kind of Orlesian sounding). That's as well as the more generic ones for Warriors/Rogues (Commoner, Noble, Criminal, Chantry), and Mage specific (Apostate, Circle - can there be any more for mages??). Really am hoping that they do play more of a role in the narrative than ME's backgrounds - which were a lovely touch, but didn't add much to the gameplay.

I'd love to see a whole quest arc that spans the entire game dependent on your background, though I accept that such maybe a tad unrealistic Oooh, but if you also get some class-specific content, that would add so much replayability!

Eh, am getting a little ahead of myself :/

Missed this post when making mine. Yes thats exactly what I mean by robust backgrounds. The ME ones were a nice start didnt affect all that much. It would also be nice if the backgrounds provided some unique benefit in ability.

Yes! a background related perk would be most welcome. And alternative ways to solve quests - a confrontation that would otherwise inevitably end in violence can instead be resolved peacefully because you share a background with the antagonist! Little touches here and there throughout - a Noble could persuade a fellow noble to divulge the location of a great treasure, an army veteran could be able to offer advice and support to new recruits, which makes them more effective in battle. A commoner could talk down an angry mob (or whip them into a frenzy), or be subjected to discrimination by Nobles. A known apostate would be feared, accused of all sorts of nasty things. 

And then something a bit meatier - like what happened in TW2, only maybe broken into smaller chunks rather than one long act. An hour or so of background specific content, per Act, gradually making its own mini-storyline, would make for some nicely unique experiences.

I really get that people are disappointed and frustrated at the lack of an option that makes your experience more enjoyable, and you guys have my sympathies But the lack of racial options doesn't have to mean a boring, vanilla experience that only allows you to see the world through one pair of eyes. And if we want these backgrounds to really shine, to be meaningful, then let's see if we can be part of the process. Follow that rabbit-hole!

@Jimmy Yeah! x

[Cutlass Jack]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...
Give me a robust character creator and truly interesting backgrounds that affect the story and I'll be pretty happy with Human.

Well here's hoping Bioware actually decides to create a robust character creator for once. If we can't choose what race we want at least giving us the tools to make exactly how we want down to the smallest details.

Right. You know that in EvE, your character is trapped in a small room and there's never more than a single human being on screen? And the only animation is 'walk' and 'sit?'

APB had an even better more robust creator. And was massively multiplayer, so many on screen at once. That said, the only thing I liked about that game was the creator.  Shame it was attached to APB.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 22 octobre 2012 - 05:05 .

[AntiChri5]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I really don't see racial choices as something that particularly matters.

Sure, i had playthroughs of Origins as each race but i wouldn't have had any less had i been restricted to human.

What matters to me is choosing my protagonists character and identity, not their biology.

Why is having pointy ears important? This isn't facetious flame-baiting, i genuinely want to know.

Is it about coming from a different culture? Because that isn't restricted to race.

Well... yeah, actually it is. 

Can you grow up in Orzammar as a human? Can you be a part of the Dalish clan all of your life and no be an elf? Humans have different cultures, too, of course. But many people that the most interesting cultures are the non-human (Kossith, Elven and Dwarven). For everyone one person clamouring to be an Orlesian, I could probably show you twenty that would rather be a City Elf again. 

Can they explore these cultures through NPCs and companions? Sure. Absolutely. We explored most of what we know about Antivan and Orlesian culture from Leliana and Zevran. But is it the same as playing that type of character yourself? I'd say its not. I may be outnumbered or wrong, but I'd still say, for me, its not.

The problem is that the Dalish and the Orzammarites never had to be elves or dwarves. Yes, at this point the culture is linked to the race but that does not mean the races have a lock on those cultural archtypes.

They could have had a human civilisation identical to what we got as the elven Dalish clans.

So, in the end, it has nothing to do with anything inherent to the race.

[AntiChri5]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

Don't make the mistake of thinking that this forum represents what people want/think. We are a very small percentage of fans/customers.

[WhiteThunder]

@AntiChri5: but now they do have that association, empty rhetorical points notwithstanding. We are talking about race options in Dragon Age, not in any other game. In this game we are now limited to being the master race rather than being an outsider as some of us prefer. Much as I enjoy hypotheticals, it's a bit annoying to introduce them in a conversation about specific features in a specific game when they have no actual relation to the subject at hand.

[Vandicus]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I really don't see racial choices as something that particularly matters.

Sure, i had playthroughs of Origins as each race but i wouldn't have had any less had i been restricted to human.

What matters to me is choosing my protagonists character and identity, not their biology.

Why is having pointy ears important? This isn't facetious flame-baiting, i genuinely want to know.

Is it about coming from a different culture? Because that isn't restricted to race.

Well... yeah, actually it is. 

Can you grow up in Orzammar as a human? Can you be a part of the Dalish clan all of your life and no be an elf? Humans have different cultures, too, of course. But many people that the most interesting cultures are the non-human (Kossith, Elven and Dwarven). For everyone one person clamouring to be an Orlesian, I could probably show you twenty that would rather be a City Elf again. 

Can they explore these cultures through NPCs and companions? Sure. Absolutely. We explored most of what we know about Antivan and Orlesian culture from Leliana and Zevran. But is it the same as playing that type of character yourself? I'd say its not. I may be outnumbered or wrong, but I'd still say, for me, its not.

Do you mean to imply that non-human options are somehow more popular than human ones? 

[John Epler]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

We've said all we're really planning on saying at this point about the fixed race protagonist. You're certainly welcome to continue to discuss why you'd like to have multiple races, but pointing to a poll of 153 people and saying 'Are you going to officially comment on this, BioWare?!?' isn't going to get you much traction.

Over the coming months, we'll be releasing more information about the features we're bringing into DA3. Some of them will no doubt satisfy those who want a more DA:O experience, while others will be more evocative of DA2. We feel they're the right features for the game we want to make. You are, of course, more than welcome to disagree, but if you're expecting us to put out a press release as to why we aren't doing something that you want us to do, that's not likely to happen. Sorry.

And yes, I know that more people than are represented by that poll want multiple races. It's simply not something we're going to be doing for this game, for a multitude of reasons.

Modifié par John Epler, 22 octobre 2012 - 05:14 .