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[DarkKnightHolmes]

When they get rid of gender choices eventually, I'll just take some of these pro-human responses and put them up.

[Sidney]

Barquiel wrote...

Not a real deal breaker (since I hate the race redesigns), but I am slightly disappointed (the City Elf origin was my favourite background story in DA:O).

I like the desgins but the City Elf was by far my favorite origins....but in the end it really didn't matter. This is the biggest problem with all the "I want races" is that it doesn't matter in most of the game any more than say your hair color.  I mean at least DAO tried a teeny tiny bit but something like BG never even bothered.

KoTOR was fine with only human selection, so was TW2, so was FO1/2/3/NV.



I'd love to see an elven specific storyline so you could have the experience of being that character with that particular challenge in the DA world.

[Vandicus]

dheer wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

mopotter wrote...
Also have no problem with this. As long as I have gender choice and can change how my characters look, I'm ok.

First they came for the elves, and I said nothing, because I did not play elves...

Indeed. It's the same old conservative argument "I got mine jack!" That is, until they don't. Then it's time to scream bloody murder.

Can you imagine the outcry if they announced that you couldn't play a male or hell, a female in the next game because it the team didn't think it was the best use of resources? Or you couldn't play a human. Everyone will be forced to play a male dwarf.

Did you raise the hue and cry when they(Bioware not WOTC) moved away from AD&D? Did you stand beside the 2nd edition lovers when they moved to 3rd? 

There's a saying about people who live in glass houses...

[Montana]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

The Edmonton Expo took place a few days ago. During the Expo, Bioware released the first concrete information regarding their much anticipated, recently announced Dragon Age 3: Inquisition game. Since then there have been three giant threads on the BSN all relating to one single complaint about a new piece of info on the game - that the player will be forced to play as a human. These three threads have totalled (so far) 76 pages between them, two of the threads have been closed, and a Bioware developer has had to start the third thread himself in an attempt to keep the peace.

It's hardly a good start is it? And that is coming from someone who is happy about having a human PC, and who is generally very excited and optimistic about the game.

The info has defenately been hit and miss for me so far:
Human only protagonist - Big con.
Castle - Meh, could be good if done right, but noone has (to my knowledge) done it right so far, it's always been a gimmick.
Huge world - Pro, but kind of expected since the Frostbite engine is great for big areas.

After DA2 I've been only mildly interested in DA3, this news does nothing to peak my interest, in fact it's diminished my interest somewhat.

[Emzamination]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

When they get rid of gender choices eventually, I'll just take some of these pro-human responses and put them up.

Bioware's never getting rid of gender choices...

[AntiChri5]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

Without looking at said poll:

Did you properly select a random sample of people to participate in the poll?  Is the poll created in a non-biased way?  How are the questions asked?


For those that feel this is a necessary component to "making the character theirs" I'm curious what peoples thoughts are to games like the Ultima ones, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, or even Planescape: Torment.

Now that i think about it, the BioWare game in which race had the biggest impact to me is.......Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer.

[Fast Jimmy]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Also have no problem with this. As long as I have gender choice and can change how my characters look, I'm ok.

First they came for the elves, and I said nothing, because I did not play elves...

This is literally the response from some people.  I'm amazed no one sees it.

There are better defenses of the human-only protagonist than this.

No one ever talks about it. They just do it. And you go on with your lives, ignoring the signs all around you. And then, one day, when the air is still and the night has fallen, they come for you. 

It's only that you realize, while you were talking about organizing and committees, the extermination has already begun. Make no mistake, my brothers. They will draw first blood. They will force their cure upon us. The only question is, will my brotherhood and fight, or wait for the inevitable genocide? Who will you stand with - the humans... or us? 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 22 octobre 2012 - 05:43 .

[Sidney]

Tony77A wrote...

Castle - Meh, could be good if done right, but noone has (to my knowledge) done it right so far, it's always been a gimmick.
Huge world - Pro, but kind of expected since the Frostbite engine is great for big areas.

After DA2 I've been only mildly interested in DA3, this news does nothing to peak my interest, in fact it's diminished my interest somewhat.

Castle is a fob to all the people who want to play Barbie dress up with companions. Now you can play with doll and a doll house. Good news.

Huge world might be good...as long as it is a Bioware type world and not a big boring generic dungeon loaded, scaled all wrong Skyrim type world.

[Allan Schumacher]

Note, if you're equating this to the loss of personal freedoms in reality, and feel this is a slippery slope to us slowly removing all choice from the game, I frankly think someone needs to take a timeout and so some self-reflection over what would cause one to actually say such a thing.

[Dragoonlordz]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

When they get rid of gender choices eventually, I'll just take some of these pro-human responses and put them up.

Bioware's never getting rid of gender choices...

I am waiting to see if they add a transgendered option at some point.

[Jerrybnsn]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

Without looking at said poll:

Did you properly select a random sample of people to participate in the poll?  Is the poll created in a non-biased way?  How are the questions asked?


For those that feel this is a necessary component to "making the character theirs" I'm curious what peoples thoughts are to games like the Ultima ones, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, or even Planescape: Torment.

This was three months ago considering a lot of the original fans haven't showed up here in over a year, these are your diehard, willing to give Bioware second and third chances, or even those that prefered DA2 over Origins.  I think that in itself it telling.

[labargegrrrl]

Tony77A wrote...

JWvonGoethe wrote...

The Edmonton Expo took place a few days ago. During the Expo, Bioware released the first concrete information regarding their much anticipated, recently announced Dragon Age 3: Inquisition game. Since then there have been three giant threads on the BSN all relating to one single complaint about a new piece of info on the game - that the player will be forced to play as a human. These three threads have totalled (so far) 76 pages between them, two of the threads have been closed, and a Bioware developer has had to start the third thread himself in an attempt to keep the peace.

It's hardly a good start is it? And that is coming from someone who is happy about having a human PC, and who is generally very excited and optimistic about the game.

The info has defenately been hit and miss for me so far:
Human only protagonist - Big con.
Castle - Meh, could be good if done right, but noone has (to my knowledge) done it right so far, it's always been a gimmick.
Huge world - Pro, but kind of expected since the Frostbite engine is great for big areas.

After DA2 I've been only mildly interested in DA3, this news does nothing to peak my interest, in fact it's diminished my interest somewhat.

you did NOT just call my new castle a gimick!  

[wiskeylab]

the thing about origins is i can play that game over and over again. when it came to #2 i played it like 3 times and got bored of it.the only reason i played it 3 times was because of the three classes. but the long and short of it was there was only ever gonna be 2 ways of playing it. templars or mages. hmm sounds like there is only gonna be 1 way of playing #3. but it would be nice if you could choose ur class, join in the struggle with the templars or mages or blood mages or seekers. assuming of course DA:3 follows the premise of dawn of the seeker.

[labargegrrrl]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Note, if you're equating this to the loss of personal freedoms in reality, and feel this is a slippery slope to us slowly removing all choice from the game, I frankly think someone needs to take a timeout and so some self-reflection over what would cause one to actually say such a thing.

did you just put me in time out?  how many minutes am i stuck here for, exactly? 

[Fast Jimmy]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

When they get rid of gender choices eventually, I'll just take some of these pro-human responses and put them up.

Bioware's never getting rid of gender choices...

I stood in line at Gamestop for the midnight release of DA2 who said the same thing about racial choices for DA2. That I was lying, making things up... that there is no way they would remove racial origins, the most touted and loved feature of the game. 

I really wish I could run into some of those people I stood in line with. I was disappointed with DA2, but I at least knew enough about it to have expectations lowered. Those guys... man, I feel like those guys might be in therapy or something.

[dheer]

Vandicus wrote...
Did you raise the hue and cry when they(Bioware not WOTC) moved away from AD&D? Did you stand beside the 2nd edition lovers when they moved to 3rd? 

There's a saying about people who live in glass houses...

I'm not crying now, just disappointed. Also, your attempt at a point is completely unrelated. Thanks for trying to insult me at the end though, that's a nice touch.

[Felya87]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

When they get rid of gender choices eventually, I'll just take some of these pro-human responses and put them up.

Bioware's never getting rid of gender choices...

...are you sure? because in ME people play as so few Jane Shepard...always statistically speaking...

[JWvonGoethe]

Tony77A wrote...

JWvonGoethe wrote...
The Edmonton Expo took place a few days ago. During the Expo, Bioware released the first concrete information regarding their much anticipated, recently announced Dragon Age 3: Inquisition game. Since then there have been three giant threads on the BSN all relating to one single complaint about a new piece of info on the game - that the player will be forced to play as a human. These three threads have totalled (so far) 76 pages between them, two of the threads have been closed, and a Bioware developer has had to start the third thread himself in an attempt to keep the peace.
It's hardly a good start is it? And that is coming from someone who is happy about having a human PC, and who is generally very excited and optimistic about the game.

The info has defenately been hit and miss for me so far:

Human only protagonist - Big con.
Castle - Meh, could be good if done right, but noone has (to my knowledge) done it right so far, it's always been a gimmick.
Huge world - Pro, but kind of expected since the Frostbite engine is great for big areas.

After DA2 I've been only mildly interested in DA3, this news does nothing to peak my interest, in fact it's diminished my interest somewhat.

And while I don't share your lack of enthusiasm for DA3 (the geographical scope of the game has me sold) I can certainly empathise. It seems bizarre that Bioware would include in their first big announcement of DA3 a key piece of info which is guaranteed to disappoint fans and alienate people from the franchise. Why not wait until they could tell us more about the new backgrounds feature before telling us we are forced to play as a human, in order to mitigate the damage. They could even have turned it into a selling point that way, if done right. Unless it is all part of some much larger, carefully thought out PR scam...

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:02 .

[PaulSX]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

yeah, 161 votes stand for the all dragon age fans.

[Mike_Neel]

I'm disappointed but not really surprised. Bioware is moving on to a different type of game than the ones they used to make for whatever reasons that aren't really relevant to myself.

Oh well at least we have project eternity which will probably come out on the same year to look forward to.

Don't get me wrong. I'm still interested in Dragon Age and seeing where the story is going, other wise I wouldn't be here. I'm just not day one 60 dollar interested anymore. I'm more like Month 6 25.99 used copy interested now. Though to be fair I figured I'd be this way well before this news and this news alone isn't the only reason.

[Emzamination]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

When they get rid of gender choices eventually, I'll just take some of these pro-human responses and put them up.

Bioware's never getting rid of gender choices...

I stood in line at Gamestop for the midnight release of DA2 who said the same thing about racial choices for DA2. That I was lying, making things up... that there is no way they would remove racial origins, the most touted and loved feature of the game. 

I really wish I could run into some of those people I stood in line with. I was disappointed with DA2, but I at least knew enough about it to have expectations lowered. Those guys... man, I feel like those guys might be in therapy or something.

Yes, but one really can't equate the removal of race options to the removal of genders.Genders aren't as fluid a choice as race or sexuality.They are mandatory for a Rpg because both women and men contribute to these franchises equally.

Modifié par Emzamination, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:04 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

This was three months ago considering a lot of the original fans haven't showed up here in over a year, these are your diehard, willing to give Bioware second and third chances, or even those that prefered DA2 over Origins.  I think that in itself it telling.

Or is it just Confirmation bias?

Do you honestly believe that that poll is created in such a way that people are not, in any way, biased to pick a particular response?

Never mind that motivations for said choice (The other choices suck... or even "eh this one probably give me more content") can't be quantified either.


You'd be better served going through the "Top 5 things..." thread and seeing how many times it comes up.  But you're still going to run into sample bias that prevents the data from being fully considered.

[Dragoonlordz]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Note, if you're equating this to the loss of personal freedoms in reality, and feel this is a slippery slope to us slowly removing all choice from the game, I frankly think someone needs to take a timeout and so some self-reflection over what would cause one to actually say such a thing.

Not sure what you mean, then again I have not read the entire thread so do not know who you are refering to. But it does limit 'player' freedom and choice, that is a factual statement. It also limits the potential impact of choices in the sense you are removing additional possiblities that can lead to additional and impactive choices.

By removing or not adding the content to allow people to play a period of time in those 'origins' or 'histories' you also are leading to a more restricted setting where you character just is what he or she is based on a single click of a button rather than through actual gameplay content which included choices and interactions both in world and characters which could lead to a more personalised history from the offset.

Whether those potential choices, potential gameplay content to explore which set up player history or player freedoms would of been high quality or positive or negative impact is unknown but it is still a restriction all the same. I remember this. An origin as in gameplay content instead of click of button choice sets up the player in a better way because you experience part of that history not just read it in a text box.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:09 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

When they get rid of gender choices eventually, I'll just take some of these pro-human responses and put them up.

Bioware's never getting rid of gender choices...

You never know. The future is full of mysteries.

Edit: Oh and what Fast Jimmy said.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:06 .

[zyntifox]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

Without looking at said poll:

Did you properly select a random sample of people to participate in the poll?  Is the poll created in a non-biased way?  How are the questions asked?


For those that feel this is a necessary component to "making the character theirs" I'm curious what peoples thoughts are to games like the Ultima ones, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, or even Planescape: Torment.

I've got a Phd in mathematical statistics, which makes me a proffesional liar, i can mathematically proove that those don't matter, in theory of course.

Modifié par Cstaf, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:06 .