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[DarkKnightHolmes]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

How you are equating player choices to gender equality is beyond my scope of comprehension.Those two factors are on polar opposite ends of the spectrum.

Because picking your gender in a game is a ..... wait for it....... a choice! Just like picking your race in a game is a.... wait for it.... a choice!

Real life genders > Fantasy races.

Cool.... where's the other genders then?

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:38 .

[LobselVith8]

EJ107 wrote...

Hmm well when I saw the title of this thread my heart sank a bit. I'm not massively bothered by not being able to play a non-human, but had we been able to play an elf in the next game I would have preferred that to being a human.

So yeah, it's not exactly a huge blow, but I'm a little disappointed. Then again I had no real problem playing as a human in DA2, and as long as we get a decent character creator with a lot of face options I don't mind too much.

I would have preferred an elven protagonist as well in Inquisition.

Certain that people who favored the return of the Origins have different ideas about what they would have preferred to play: Elven, Dwarven, or Kossith. I find the prospect of a Dalish mage being an option as an appealing prospect, since Origins already provided the option to play as a Circle mage (of either race), and Dragon Age II provided an apostate (with mixed results for fans, given how it was hardly acknowledged in the narrative). Seeing a Dalish protagonist respond to the modern day Imperium, dealing with Orlais and the occupied nation of the Dales, seeing how the clans may respond to the acquisition of the Hinterlands through the Dalish Boon, or even encountering the remnants of the Sabrae clan would have been interesting.

[thats1evildude]

The "race" part is less important to me than having a variety of backgrounds. I consider an individual's circumstances to be more important in informing the kind of character I make than their race.

[John Epler]

Alright, this whole 'they'll cut genders next!' tangent has taken a sharp right turn into the completely absurd, so let's cut it out.

[Nerevar-as]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Hmm well when I saw the title of this thread my heart sank a bit. I'm not massively bothered by not being able to play a non-human, but had we been able to play an elf in the next game I would have preferred that to being a human.

So yeah, it's not exactly a huge blow, but I'm a little disappointed. Then again I had no real problem playing as a human in DA2, and as long as we get a decent character creator with a lot of face options I don't mind too much.

I would have preferred an elven protagonist as well in Inquisition.

Certain that people who favored the return of the Origins have different ideas about what they would have preferred to play: Elven, Dwarven, or Kossith. I find the prospect of a Dalish mage being an option as an appealing prospect, since Origins already provided the option to play as a Circle mage (of either race), and Dragon Age II provided an apostate (with mixed results for fans, given how it was hardly acknowledged in the narrative). Seeing a Dalish protagonist respond to the modern day Imperium, dealing with Orlais and the occupied nation of the Dales, seeing how the clans may respond to the acquisition of the Hinterlands through the Dalish Boon, or even encountering the remnants of the Sabrae clan would have been interesting.

[Emzamination]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

How you are equating player choices to gender equality is beyond my scope of comprehension.Those two factors are on polar opposite ends of the spectrum.

Because picking your gender in a game is a ..... wait for it....... a choice! Just like picking your race in a game is a.... wait for it.... a choice!

Real life genders > Fantasy races.

Cool.... where's the other genders then?

Hermaphrodite? They can go either way, don't see how it makes a difference.
 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

John Epler wrote...

Alright, this whole 'they'll cut genders next!' tangent has taken a sharp right turn into the completely absurd, so let's cut it out.

As you wish.

[LobselVith8]

Nerevar-as wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I would have preferred an elven protagonist as well in Inquisition.

Certain that people who favored the return of the Origins have different ideas about what they would have preferred to play: Elven, Dwarven, or Kossith. I find the prospect of a Dalish mage being an option as an appealing prospect, since Origins already provided the option to play as a Circle mage (of either race), and Dragon Age II provided an apostate (with mixed results for fans, given how it was hardly acknowledged in the narrative). Seeing a Dalish protagonist respond to the modern day Imperium, dealing with Orlais and the occupied nation of the Dales, seeing how the clans may respond to the acquisition of the Hinterlands through the Dalish Boon, or even encountering the remnants of the Sabrae clan would have been interesting. 

Yeah, I see so many narrative possibilities to explore with a Dalish mage. Having a free mage who is part of a different culture than Andrasitan society respond to the Mage-Templar War would have been neat to examine as well.

[CaisLaochach]

I'm comfortable with it.

Doens't bother me either way, and if it saves money in animation costs, etc, that's fair enough.

[Salaya]

Emzamination wrote...

Salaya wrote...
Bla bla bla rage against Bioware bla bla bla rage against DA3 dev team bla bla bla

Nonsense -- Coin and social status determine who the character is, because without either one of those things you're nobody -- Another particle of Dust in Dark town.

Coind and social status are as relevant as race in Thedas. At least, regarding what kind of person the character is.

It does not matter how much money elf servants have in Orlais -Leliana will keep naming them "servants"-. Also, it does not matter how much magic inclined or book worm a dawrf is -he/she is not going to be a mage no matter what. Or even taking power into account... it is really the same a powerful and rich dwarf than a powerful and rich human? For not mentioning the weird case of an elf being rich in Denerim. No matter how much money and power they have, they will always have to fight with prejudices and different treatment.

So, yes, you get the point. Being or not a determined race makes the question "who is my main character?" a lot deeper than the single-forced human.

The more I read from the devs on this thread, the more disppointed I am.

[Hexley UK]

Without being rude...only being able to play a human in a fantasy RPG is rediculous and should be rethought.

There are many reasons why DA2 is considered to be largely inferior to DA:O this is one of them.

Quit trying to be Mass Effect and start trying to be DA:O.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:56 .

[ladyofpayne]

I say yes. I don't like elves because of their ugly faces. Also the best race diffrence was in Vampire Bloodlines in malkavian skin- new conversations and more, more.

Really evles and dvarwes don't think like humans, so I play only humans.

3 text backgroungs but influenced on game better than 6 reces and origins that mentioned 2 timies during the game.

[Teddie Sage]

Hexley UK wrote...

Without being rude...only being able to play a human in a fantasy RPG is rediculous and should be rethought.

There are many reasons why DA2 is considered to be largely inferior to DA:O this is one of them.

Quit trying to be Mass Effect and start trying to be DA:O.

You're not telling them how they do their work until you're their boss. Bad news, you aren't.

[LobselVith8]

ladyofpayne wrote...

I say yes. I don't like elves because of their ugly faces.

I imagine the new engine means the elves will look different from how they were depicted in Dragon Age II.

ladyofpayne wrote...

Also the best race diffrence was in Vampire Bloodlines in malkavian skin- new conversations and more, more.

The Malkavians were insane, talking to televisions and arguing with sign posts.

ladyofpayne wrote...

Really evles and dvarwes don't think like humans, so I play only humans.

I think the fact that they view the world differently is what makes them appealing for some of us.

ladyofpayne wrote...

3 text backgroungs but influenced on game better than 6 reces and origins that mentioned 2 timies during the game.

I think Elven, Dwarven, and Kossith protagonists could experience reactivity from the world.

[Shadowwot]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I don't like it or hate it, I simply think it's not a key issue. Lots of great games make you play as a human (or even restrict you to a single human male), and tons of mediocre games let you play as other races.

The reason why I like the Dragon Age games has little to do with whether or not I can play an elf or a dwarf, although I do feel that the elves/dwarves have kind of been marginalized in their lore importance. I'd like to see more done with them even if we can't play as them.

I also don't think that race matters.  I'm far more concerned with having interesting quests, choice & consequence, good diologue, and well thought out quests, etc.

[Hexley UK]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Without being rude...only being able to play a human in a fantasy RPG is rediculous and should be rethought.

There are many reasons why DA2 is considered to be largely inferior to DA:O this is one of them.

Quit trying to be Mass Effect and start trying to be DA:O.

You're not telling them how they do their work until you're their boss. Bad news, you aren't.

LOL......oooookkkkk.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'm referring to people that are equating our decision to go with a human protagonist with real life reduction of personal freedoms and oppression in history.

I'm not trying to equate your decision to that.  I'm trying to equate people's responses to your decision to that.

Political apathy is political apathy, no matter the venue.  I don't think this human-only thing is very important, but people who defend it on the grounds that "it doesn't affect me" are doing exactly what was described in the famous poem.

[Tootles FTW]

ladyofpayne wrote...

I say yes. I don't like elves because of their ugly faces. Also the best race diffrence was in Vampire Bloodlines in malkavian skin- new conversations and more, more.

Really evles and dvarwes don't think like humans, so I play only humans.

3 text backgroungs but influenced on game better than 6 reces and origins that mentioned 2 timies during the game.

If elves were an option and your PC has an ugly face, wouldn't that be your fault?  Hehe.  But yes, yeeesss, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines!  If DA:O had this sort of reactivity I would be weeping tears of blood & lost dreams for the lack of race-selection, but outside of the Origin story itself it didn't really color much of the game.

[Mims]

Picking a race is a trope of fantasy games. A trope bioware has used in the past. It isn't silly to dismiss people expecting it.

Basically, it seems like bioware is putting all their chips down that the story has enough merit to be worth locking the game to humans only. But that's a pretty big gamble. And given the state of affairs lately, I am not sure if its a particularly wise one.

It isn't just about race. I might play humans anyway, even if given the option. Its about the removal of choice in an RPG that was sold almost entirely upon the concept of "origins".

[AntiChri5]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'm referring to people that are equating our decision to go with a human protagonist with real life reduction of personal freedoms and oppression in history.

I'm not trying to equate your decision to that.  I'm trying to equate people's responses to your decision to that.

Political apathy is political apathy, no matter the venue.  I don't think this human-only thing is very important, but people who defend it on the grounds that "it doesn't affect me" are doing exactly what was described in the famous poem.

The two situations aren't even vaugely comparable.

Of course people for whom race doesn't matter are fine with it, it means more resources go to parts of the game they have more of an interest in.

[Grizzly46]

I'm late for the discussuion (thanks real life!), but I have a question for the devs:

Does it matter what we think anyway regarding in this case a human protagonist? For the record, I prefer a human, but others might not, and what if there are a lot of people wanting other races as well? I understand that the human is more or less set in stone, so what is there to discuss?

[John Epler]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'm referring to people that are equating our decision to go with a human protagonist with real life reduction of personal freedoms and oppression in history.

I'm not trying to equate your decision to that.  I'm trying to equate people's responses to your decision to that.

Political apathy is political apathy, no matter the venue.  I don't think this human-only thing is very important, but people who defend it on the grounds that "it doesn't affect me" are doing exactly what was described in the famous poem.

This is a tangent we aren't continuing.

If you can't see why equating human rights violations and cold-blooded murder with losing a choice in a videogame is offensive, there's really nothing else to say.

Regardless. This tangent is done.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'm referring to people that are equating our decision to go with a human protagonist with real life reduction of personal freedoms and oppression in history.

I'm not trying to equate your decision to that.  I'm trying to equate people's responses to your decision to that.

Political apathy is political apathy, no matter the venue.  I don't think this human-only thing is very important, but people who defend it on the grounds that "it doesn't affect me" are doing exactly what was described in the famous poem.

The two situations aren't even vaugely comparable.

Of course people for whom race doesn't matter are fine with it, it means more resources go to parts of the game they have more of an interest in.

Just like so much resource went into DA2?

/Sarcasm

[Fast Jimmy]

Grizzly46 wrote...

I'm late for the discussuion (thanks real life!), but I have a question for the devs:

Does it matter what we think anyway regarding in this case a human protagonist? For the record, I prefer a human, but others might not, and what if there are a lot of people wanting other races as well? I understand that the human is more or less set in stone, so what is there to discuss?

LOL What indeed?