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[Nerevar-as]

Tootles FTW wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...

I say yes. I don't like elves because of their ugly faces. Also the best race diffrence was in Vampire Bloodlines in malkavian skin- new conversations and more, more.

Really evles and dvarwes don't think like humans, so I play only humans.

3 text backgroungs but influenced on game better than 6 reces and origins that mentioned 2 timies during the game.

If elves were an option and your PC has an ugly face, wouldn't that be your fault?  Hehe.  But yes, yeeesss, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines!  If DA:O had this sort of reactivity I would be weeping tears of blood & lost dreams for the lack of race-selection, but outside of the Origin story itself it didn't really color much of the game.

So you took the same decision regarding Loghain with a City Elf than with a Human Mage?

[Fast Jimmy]

Tootles FTW wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...

I say yes. I don't like elves because of their ugly faces. Also the best race diffrence was in Vampire Bloodlines in malkavian skin- new conversations and more, more.

Really evles and dvarwes don't think like humans, so I play only humans.

3 text backgroungs but influenced on game better than 6 reces and origins that mentioned 2 timies during the game.

If elves were an option and your PC has an ugly face, wouldn't that be your fault?  Hehe.  But yes, yeeesss, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines!  If DA:O had this sort of reactivity I would be weeping tears of blood & lost dreams for the lack of race-selection, but outside of the Origin story itself it didn't really color much of the game.

<to a stop sign> You have made a powerful enemy this day, sign.

[Solmanian]

What does the origin in DA:o has to do with the loghain choice? if anyone has extra grievance against loghain it's the human noble, which loghain allied with those who slaughtered his family... The fact that loghain tries to have you killed on a regular basis for the majority of the game, making him a bigger antagonist than the archdeamon. Loghain allways tries to actively, while the archdeamon is simply an omnipresent threat in the background...

[Allan Schumacher]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Grizzly46 wrote...

I'm late for the discussuion (thanks real life!), but I have a question for the devs:

Does it matter what we think anyway regarding in this case a human protagonist? For the record, I prefer a human, but others might not, and what if there are a lot of people wanting other races as well? I understand that the human is more or less set in stone, so what is there to discuss?

LOL What indeed?

If you'd prefer, I could just lock all threads and ban people that insist on bringing it up since evidently there's nothing worth discussing regarding it, as we have made our decision.

I created this thread in direct response to people that felt I was being too harsh on closing down threads that I felt were uncivil and aggressive in their nature, and upon reflection realized that giving people a focused thread to air their grievances is better than having it spill out over into the rest of the threads.

In retrospect I was probably too hasty in closing down the threads, or rather, should have addressed them differently.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:19 .

[Felya87]

Solmanian wrote...

What does the origin in DA:o has to do with the loghain choice? if anyone has extra grievance against loghain it's the human noble, which loghain allied with those who slaughtered his family... The fact that loghain tries to have you killed on a regular basis for the majority of the game, making him a bigger antagonist than the archdeamon. Loghain allways tries to actively, while the archdeamon is simply an omnipresent threat in the background...

Loghain just sell the people of the CE (family memebrers too) to the slavers. put the Alienage in a quarantine and let slaughter the children in the orphanage in suc a terrible way that the vail was broken. but he didn't do nothing to make the CE angry...(sarcasm)

[Teddie Sage]

What is the CE you're referring to, Felya?

[Fast Jimmy]

Teddie Sage wrote...

What is the CE you're referring to, Felya?

City Elf.

[Sylvianus]

Human noble was my favorite origin in DAO, and I like playing humans, especially in DA. The only thing which could upset me is to be forced to play an ugly elf or a dwarf one day. As long as the only race option is human, I'm okay while I prefer when there are different origins.

At least we'll have some backgrounds. Better than nothing.

I'm concerned however with this story of different backgrounds not playable. Don't even know what that means. Like Mass effect 1 ? A few words about a past we know nothing about and one small side quest and that's it ? Meh.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:33 .

[LobselVith8]

Mims wrote...

Picking a race is a trope of fantasy games. A trope bioware has used in the past. It isn't silly to dismiss people expecting it.

I think the availability of multiple Origins in the original game was a feature that appealed to a number of people. I certainly think it's loss in Dragon Age II was to the detriment of the game, since Hawke didn't appeal to me on any level.

Mims wrote...

Basically, it seems bioware is putting all their chips down that the story has enough merit to be worth locking the game to humans only. But that's a pretty big gamble. And given the state of affairs lately, I am not sure if its a particularly wise one. 

I'm in agreement with you; I don't know if the gamble on "human only" for Inquisition will pay off.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:33 .

[Solmanian]

Somewhat dissapointed, but not as much as I'll be if ME4 will have only a human protagonist. The races in DAverse are pretty standard: Elves and dwarves, with the qunari being the exception. And lets face it, it's very unlikely we're ever gonna get to play a qunari hero: Their POV is so different, and the way the thedas populace would react to one of them, BW would have to a make an entire game just to adress those issues. And frankly, for me, the human noble story in DA:O seemed the richest: you got to confront the killers of your family, had a chance to ascend to the throne, and in awakening you face the son of the man who destroyed your family, after you destroy his family just to see how it is with the shoe on the other leg... But in ME the races so diverse, unique and innovative. I can't wait for a chance to play a turian or a krogan or a volus. I'd rather have only a turian protagonist in ME4 than only a human protagonist.

Conclusion: Dissapointed but not devestated. Much peeved about the name "inquisition" and the role of the protagonist in it, as I found it inceridbly offemsive since my ancestors were persecuted in the original spanish Inquisition.

[upsettingshorts]

Origin stories and racial choice are different things that need not necessarily exist to supplement the other.

The only game to have origins and racial choice was Dragon Age: Origins. You know, the game that had the name of that particular gimmick in its own title.

[Felya87]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

What is the CE you're referring to, Felya?

City Elf.

exactly. thanks

[Rawgrim]

John Epler wrote...

Alright, this whole 'they'll cut genders next!' tangent has taken a sharp right turn into the completely absurd, so let's cut it out.

In all fairness, the only thing that recognized your character`s gender in DA2, was Bethany and Carver calling you sister or brother. Still, its not the same as cutting gender, of course.

[Dave of Canada]

Probably a question that won't be answered at this point of developement but are the backrounds more akin to the Sole Survivor / Ruthless / War Hero choice, Earthborn / Colonist / Spacer choice or both? From my understand, it's the first one.

[Emzamination]

Rawgrim wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Alright, this whole 'they'll cut genders next!' tangent has taken a sharp right turn into the completely absurd, so let's cut it out.

In all fairness, the only thing that recognized your character`s gender in DA2, was Bethany and Carver calling you sister or brother. Still, its not the same as cutting gender, of course.

What? That's soooo disingenuous.

[Rawgrim]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Here is a poll that was taken three months ago and it shows the majority of voters wanted more race options and origin stories for DA3 than anything else. social.bioware.com/580526/polls/36775/

Is Bioware going to make an official statement as to why they are not going to do a more Dragon Age: Origins game which is a major request of its fans?  

Without looking at said poll:

Did you properly select a random sample of people to participate in the poll?  Is the poll created in a non-biased way?  How are the questions asked?


For those that feel this is a necessary component to "making the character theirs" I'm curious what peoples thoughts are to games like the Ultima ones, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, or even Planescape: Torment.

I`ll bite. The ultima games had alot of classes (10 was it?). That helps making the character feel like its your character. The setting also didn`t have elves and such, so thats a good reason why you could only play human. The DA setting, has 4 races (at least).

Kotor: I will give you that one. Limited to 1 race, and pretty much you are forced to play a jedi.

Jade Empire: Never played through it, but it was set in ancient china, wasn`t it? Ergo its in this world. No elves about. Its more of an action game too, I would say.

Planescape: No clue what to label that game, or even how to approach that one. Its an odd bird, and pretty damn unique. I guess I will give you that one too. the setting certainly has a ton of races, and I can`t see why you couldn`t play as a tiefling or whatever.

[Fast Jimmy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Origin stories and racial choice are different things that need not necessarily exist to supplement the other.

The only game to have origins and racial choice was Dragon Age: Origins. You know, the game that had the name of that particular gimmick in its own title.

I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2). 

Multiple origins are more important to me than multiple races. Backgrounds could be cool... although having them be non-playable makes me a little wary.

After all, that means we will probably get a block of text about them, and then have our character reveal details about it later on, which is a little outside the comfort zone of many RPer's. Still, the potential is there and I won't say Bioware is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Palipride47]

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Alright, this whole 'they'll cut genders next!' tangent has taken a sharp right turn into the completely absurd, so let's cut it out.

In all fairness, the only thing that recognized your character`s gender in DA2, was Bethany and Carver calling you sister or brother. Still, its not the same as cutting gender, of course.

What? That's soooo disingenuous.

So did the whole "gay Anders" rage go away or something?

And the feeling of choice DOES matter. The reason we have a 50+ page long thread about sadness over lack of race options. It was all about choice....or, more accurately, our FEELING of HAVING CHOICE.

[Solmanian]

Felya87 wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

What does the origin in DA:o has to do with the loghain choice? if anyone has extra grievance against loghain it's the human noble, which loghain allied with those who slaughtered his family... The fact that loghain tries to have you killed on a regular basis for the majority of the game, making him a bigger antagonist than the archdeamon. Loghain allways tries to actively, while the archdeamon is simply an omnipresent threat in the background...

Loghain just sell the people of the CE (family memebrers too) to the slavers. put the Alienage in a quarantine and let slaughter the children in the orphanage in suc a terrible way that the vail was broken. but he didn't do nothing to make the CE angry...(sarcasm)

I know it sounds selfish ans self centered but: killing someone you know < killing you. He was trying to kill you for more than half the game. sent assssins after you. Sent his army to hunt you down. By the time you meet him, you aren't on friendly terms.

It's like shepard meeting harbinger and like: "You know, dogging me for 5 years I can understand. Killing milions every day during the invasion made me angry, but you were just doing your job. But shooting down that kid on earth? I'm gonna kill you and your whole motherfrakking race!"

[Rawgrim]

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Alright, this whole 'they'll cut genders next!' tangent has taken a sharp right turn into the completely absurd, so let's cut it out.

In all fairness, the only thing that recognized your character`s gender in DA2, was Bethany and Carver calling you sister or brother. Still, its not the same as cutting gender, of course.

What? That's soooo disingenuous.

No its not. Even the romances doesn`t recognize your gender. Voice, looks, and your siblings calling you brother or sister. Thats it.

[Fast Jimmy]

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Alright, this whole 'they'll cut genders next!' tangent has taken a sharp right turn into the completely absurd, so let's cut it out.

In all fairness, the only thing that recognized your character`s gender in DA2, was Bethany and Carver calling you sister or brother. Still, its not the same as cutting gender, of course.

What? That's soooo disingenuous.

Hmmm... I don't think disingenuos is the word you are looking for. I believe that Rawgrim is being sincere about his opinion. It may not be all that factual (although, with every LI being bi I can't come up with a INSANELY long list of references to gender, but I'm hardly an expert). 

I believe accurate may be a better word. Because I think Rawgrim isn't being disengenuos.

Sorry, vocabulary 20th century German National Socialist Party member is shutting up now.

[John Epler]

I do believe I asked that we cut out the entire gender tangent.

[upsettingshorts]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Multiple origins are more important to me than multiple races. Backgrounds could be cool... although having them be non-playable makes me a little wary.

Color me crazy, but I would not be shocked if there wasn't a hint of consensus about this either.

[Sylvianus]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2).

Meh. Don't forget that in DA2 we were a poor family, and refugees. The goal was to become someone in Kirkwall, so I don't reallly think it was the same while yes, the blood of Hawk was noble.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:43 .

[Rawgrim]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Alright, this whole 'they'll cut genders next!' tangent has taken a sharp right turn into the completely absurd, so let's cut it out.

In all fairness, the only thing that recognized your character`s gender in DA2, was Bethany and Carver calling you sister or brother. Still, its not the same as cutting gender, of course.

What? That's soooo disingenuous.

Hmmm... I don't think disingenuos is the word you are looking for. I believe that Rawgrim is being sincere about his opinion. It may not be all that factual (although, with every LI being bi I can't come up with a INSANELY long list of references to gender, but I'm hardly an expert). 

I believe accurate may be a better word. Because I think Rawgrim isn't being disengenuos.

Sorry, vocabulary 20th century German National Socialist Party member is shutting up now.

Yeah. i didn`t mean it in a way thats "bashing" or anything like that. I was voicing an observation I had while playing the game. No malice intended at all.