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[Rawgrim]

John Epler wrote...

I do believe I asked that we cut out the entire gender tangent.

Sorry. Didn`t see it. Its noted now though.

[Allan Schumacher]

I think the availability of multiple Origins in the original game was a feature that appealed to a number of people. I certainly think it's loss in Dragon Age II was to the detriment of the game, since Hawke didn't appeal to me on any level.

Would you have been happier with a Hawke Elf, or a Hawke Dwarf?

[EricHVela]

There's nothing wrong with comparing one game to another. We do it all of the time for games of completely different stories and even completely different genres altogether. We can easily gauge our enjoyment from one game to the next without regard to the game itself. In that same logic, comparing features between games of the same setting should not be surprising in the least.

I think, though, that we could try to regard each Dragon Age as its own game with its own style, but it is less easy to do that when the game pulls events and stories from previous games, though. It keeps reminding us about the previous games, enticing us to compare the current game using the previous games as baselines. Regardless what we probably should do, what we likely will do is desire features from previous games to be in the game that continues of the setting.

There's no helping that. Telling people that they're being unreasonable will only annoy us more when, reasonably, it's perfectly normal to make such comparisons in this situation.

We've heard that there's a Human protagonist. Immediately, we compare this new information with the previous games based on whether they had or lacked the feature and immediately focus on the differences between those games as if this one piece of info has defined the game. It hasn't completely defined the game, but we'll go with what we know and fill in the blanks what the only info that we have, which comes from the previous games.

It would seem that the obvious solution is to give us more information to separate our assumptions of what was from the facts that will be. I wish it were so simple. Development and marketing are tricky things. There is a reason why they have college degrees for PR. I can only hope that we can allay our concerns once more information becomes available.

Despite all that, it's is just a game. As much as we want Dragon Age to do what we want, we can only do what they want us to be able to do (not counting homebrew mods that alter the game and will never have official support or recognition).

[Urazz]

I think it's for the best to have only one race choice and one origin like in DA2. It allows for extra development of the PC's past and it is the cheapest option for the game since you only need two voice actors to voice the PC character.

[Maclimes]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I think the availability of multiple Origins in the original game was a feature that appealed to a number of people. I certainly think it's loss in Dragon Age II was to the detriment of the game, since Hawke didn't appeal to me on any level.

Would you have been happier with a Hawke Elf, or a Hawke Dwarf?

Personally? Yes. But only if it didn't cut more away from the already "streamlined" game.

I kind of assumed the whole reason they went with a human-only protagonist in the DA2 was because of the limited time available to develop the game.

But DA3 obviously has been (and will continue to be) in development for some time. Kind of confused on the reasoning for the human-only protag this time around. I'm sad I won't be able to play a dwarf. But I'm still okay with  the human-only thing, as long as it's done right.

But I'm still confused by it. I don't understand the reasoning behind the decision.

EDIT: It's possible this was addressed elsewhere in this 45-page thread. Forgive me for not seeing it if so. 

Modifié par Maclimes, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:51 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Sylvianus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2).

Meh. Don't forget that in DA2 we were a poor family, and refugees. The goal was to become someone in Kirkwall, so I don't reallly think it was the same while yes, the blood of Hawk was noble.

Well, Hawke grows up in a rich family. Sure, they have to flee Lothering and then slum it for a year or so in Kirkwall, but then they are rich and live in a mansion. So having a year or so of your life (especially years that aren't formative, like your childhood or pubescent years) still means your character would be identified as a rich character. 

We haven't really gotten a chance to play a human who has grown up in desperation or had to live without. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:53 .

[Felya87]

Solmanian wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

What does the origin in DA:o has to do with the loghain choice? if anyone has extra grievance against loghain it's the human noble, which loghain allied with those who slaughtered his family... The fact that loghain tries to have you killed on a regular basis for the majority of the game, making him a bigger antagonist than the archdeamon. Loghain allways tries to actively, while the archdeamon is simply an omnipresent threat in the background...

Loghain just sell the people of the CE (family memebrers too) to the slavers. put the Alienage in a quarantine and let slaughter the children in the orphanage in suc a terrible way that the vail was broken. but he didn't do nothing to make the CE angry...(sarcasm)

I know it sounds selfish ans self centered but: killing someone you know < killing you. He was trying to kill you for more than half the game. sent assssins after you. Sent his army to hunt you down. By the time you meet him, you aren't on friendly terms.

It's like shepard meeting harbinger and like: "You know, dogging me for 5 years I can understand. Killing milions every day during the invasion made me angry, but you were just doing your job. But shooting down that kid on earth? I'm gonna kill you and your whole motherfrakking race!"

ehm...Loghain tried to kill the Warden, no matter the race. and is not a good "welcome back home" find your father in a cage, ready to be used for a blood magic ritual...and the wife of your cousin is or dead or sell who know where.
is not only painful for the CE, is disgusting and umiliating.
people who where part of your every day, friends, neighbors, relatives...
all treated as less than beasts, selled just for make money...

and if you see how Shep is so taken by the dream of the child...yes, he is even more angry to the reaper because of the child. (one of the feature i don't really like about ME3...for my Shep was ok have those nightmares, but a really renegade Shep shouldn't be so touched by that event. too forced in the character)
I didn't say that the HN haven't reasons to hate Loghain, (shouldn't hate Howe more?) but the CE surely can't fell all that friendly towards hin neither.

[Rawgrim]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2).

Meh. Don't forget that in DA2 we were a poor family, and refugees. The goal was to become someone in Kirkwall, so I don't reallly think it was the same while yes, the blood of Hawk was noble.

Well, Hawke grows up in a rich family. Sure, they have to flee Lothering and then slum it for a year or so in Kirkwall, but then they are rich and live in a mansion. So having oa year or so of your life (especially years that aren't formative, like your childhood or pubescent years) still means your character would be identified as a rich character. 

We haven't really gotten a chance to play a human who has grown up in desperation or had to live without. 

In all fairness, I don`t remember getting to play a non-privileged character in any rpgs. Not just Bioware`s games. i certainly can`t think of any.

[Evil_Jashinist]

Maybe it's just me and my group of friends being strange but I think not being able to play other races takes away from the experience of roleplaying. Different species give different perspectives, sometimes in a very subtle way but it's always there. Mods were made to make people able to play non-human protagonists in Dragon Age 2, which I believe shows that there definetly is an interest in this.

Me and my friends who were very impressed by and adored DA:O were quite disappointed that we could not play different races in DA2. To us it takes away from the replayability value. We were hoping we would at least be able to have dwarves and elves back for this third game. RPGs to us are the kind of games we don't buy just to play them once then put them back on the shelf, but the kind you play over and over to tweak the story as you want it.

I am certain that there are others out there who agree with us, but of course we're not able to speak for the entire gamer population. Just sharing our thoughts.

[Palipride47]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2).

Meh. Don't forget that in DA2 we were a poor family, and refugees. The goal was to become someone in Kirkwall, so I don't reallly think it was the same while yes, the blood of Hawk was noble.

Well, Hawke grows up in a rich family. Sure, they have to flee Lothering and then slum it for a year or so in Kirkwall, but then they are rich and live in a mansion. So having oa year or so of your life (especially years that aren't formative, like your childhood or pubescent years) still means your character would be identified as a rich character. 

We haven't really gotten a chance to play a human who has grown up in desperation or had to live without. 

Wait, Hawke was never "rich" pre-Kirkwall. They "lived well below their mean" in hamlets to avoid templars. (at least, that is what the codex says)

[Nashimura]

I think you already did a human protagonist, if the races are going to be restricted why not force people into a Dwarf, Elf or Qunari? Human is the safe option i suppose...

[LobselVith8]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Would you have been happier with a Hawke Elf, or a Hawke Dwarf?

Depending on how the protagonist was written, I think some people would have liked Elven and Dwarven protagonists; a Ferelden dwarf could have a different cultural view than his Kirkwall counterparts. I think a proactive elven protagonist would have been interesting, in how the Kirkwall elves might have responded to him.

[Rawgrim]

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

Maybe it's just me and my group of friends being strange but I think not being able to play other races takes away from the experience of roleplaying. Different species give different perspectives, sometimes in a very subtle way but it's always there. Mods were made to make people able to play non-human protagonists in Dragon Age 2, which I believe shows that there definetly is an interest in this.

Me and my friends who were very impressed by and adored DA:O were quite disappointed that we could not play different races in DA2. To us it takes away from the replayability value. We were hoping we would at least be able to have dwarves and elves back for this third game. RPGs to us are the kind of games we don't buy just to play them once then put them back on the shelf, but the kind you play over and over to tweak the story as you want it.

I am certain that there are others out there who agree with us, but of course we're not able to speak for the entire gamer population. Just sharing our thoughts.

You know, i don`t think it takes anything away from the first playthrough, but the replayability would suffer.

[Fast Jimmy]

Rawgrim wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2).

Meh. Don't forget that in DA2 we were a poor family, and refugees. The goal was to become someone in Kirkwall, so I don't reallly think it was the same while yes, the blood of Hawk was noble.

Well, Hawke grows up in a rich family. Sure, they have to flee Lothering and then slum it for a year or so in Kirkwall, but then they are rich and live in a mansion. So having oa year or so of your life (especially years that aren't formative, like your childhood or pubescent years) still means your character would be identified as a rich character. 

We haven't really gotten a chance to play a human who has grown up in desperation or had to live without. 

In all fairness, I don`t remember getting to play a non-privileged character in any rpgs. Not just Bioware`s games. i certainly can`t think of any.

Really? The Dwarf Commoner and the City Elf seemed to be growing up in some PRETTY desperate situations. Your dwarven sister is being sold as a hooker to the nobles. And your elven wedding is dampened by the fact that humans have kidnapped your fiance/you to be a sex toy and there is nothing you can do aside brutal violence because society doesn't care.

Is it Oliver Twist? No, but its definitely a crack at looking at some "less than ideal" origins for your character.

[berelinde]

In Origins, I completed every Origin story, but I only ever finished the game past Landsmeet as a human... half a dozen times. I loved the look of the female dwarves. The two I created for the Dwarf Noble and Dwarf Commoner origins may have been the most adorable characters I have ever made, but that isn't enough justification to demand the inclusion of dwarves, even if it is tempting.

The different origins *did* have a tremendous bearing on how each character made decisions. Using Orzammar as an example, my dwarven noble would never, ever choose Bhelen under any circumstances, but my dwarven commoner was just as strongly opposed to Harrowmont. The rest were less decisive about which to support, but each had a favorite. The point here is that these decisions were based on the character's past, not necessarily upon their race. As long as character background has some relevance to the plot, I don't mind playing as human.

[Rawgrim]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2).

Meh. Don't forget that in DA2 we were a poor family, and refugees. The goal was to become someone in Kirkwall, so I don't reallly think it was the same while yes, the blood of Hawk was noble.

Well, Hawke grows up in a rich family. Sure, they have to flee Lothering and then slum it for a year or so in Kirkwall, but then they are rich and live in a mansion. So having oa year or so of your life (especially years that aren't formative, like your childhood or pubescent years) still means your character would be identified as a rich character. 

We haven't really gotten a chance to play a human who has grown up in desperation or had to live without. 

In all fairness, I don`t remember getting to play a non-privileged character in any rpgs. Not just Bioware`s games. i certainly can`t think of any.

Really? The Dwarf Commoner and the City Elf seemed to be growing up in some PRETTY desperate situations. Your dwarven sister is being sold as a hooker to the nobles. And your elven wedding is dampened by the fact that humans have kidnapped your fiance/you to be a sex toy and there is nothing you can do aside brutal violence because society doesn't care.

Is it Oliver Twist? No, but its definitely a crack at looking at some "less than ideal" origins for your character.

Duh...i completely forgot the origin stories from the first game The shame of it all.

[Dessalines]

This is not a deal breaker. I am stil preordering this game, unless they talk about not being able to alter the skin tone and other features.

[upsettingshorts]

berelinde wrote...

Using Orzammar as an example, my dwarven noble would never, ever choose Bhelen under any circumstances, but my dwarven commoner was just as strongly opposed to Harrowmont.

This is offtopic but I always figured I'd have chosen to do DN->Bhelen, DC->Harrowmont.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:59 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Palipride47 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2).

Meh. Don't forget that in DA2 we were a poor family, and refugees. The goal was to become someone in Kirkwall, so I don't reallly think it was the same while yes, the blood of Hawk was noble.

Well, Hawke grows up in a rich family. Sure, they have to flee Lothering and then slum it for a year or so in Kirkwall, but then they are rich and live in a mansion. So having oa year or so of your life (especially years that aren't formative, like your childhood or pubescent years) still means your character would be identified as a rich character. 

We haven't really gotten a chance to play a human who has grown up in desperation or had to live without. 

Wait, Hawke was never "rich" pre-Kirkwall. They "lived well below their mean" in hamlets to avoid templars. (at least, that is what the codex says)

Really? Maybe I am totallying not remembering this correctly. For some reason, I thought they had a good chunk of wealth which helped pay off the nobles and Templars in Ferelden. If I am off base, then I apologize. I just always felt like the Hawke's never had to worry about a roof over their heads or where their next meal came from.

[Shadow Fox]

Rawgrim wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2).

Meh. Don't forget that in DA2 we were a poor family, and refugees. The goal was to become someone in Kirkwall, so I don't reallly think it was the same while yes, the blood of Hawk was noble.

Well, Hawke grows up in a rich family. Sure, they have to flee Lothering and then slum it for a year or so in Kirkwall, but then they are rich and live in a mansion. So having oa year or so of your life (especially years that aren't formative, like your childhood or pubescent years) still means your character would be identified as a rich character. 

We haven't really gotten a chance to play a human who has grown up in desperation or had to live without. 

In all fairness, I don`t remember getting to play a non-privileged character in any rpgs. Not just Bioware`s games. i certainly can`t think of any.

Fable 2 

[Rawgrim]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I completely agree. I'd like to see what being a human is like in the DA universe not being born into a rich family (which is what we we got in DA:O and DA2).

Meh. Don't forget that in DA2 we were a poor family, and refugees. The goal was to become someone in Kirkwall, so I don't reallly think it was the same while yes, the blood of Hawk was noble.

Well, Hawke grows up in a rich family. Sure, they have to flee Lothering and then slum it for a year or so in Kirkwall, but then they are rich and live in a mansion. So having oa year or so of your life (especially years that aren't formative, like your childhood or pubescent years) still means your character would be identified as a rich character. 

We haven't really gotten a chance to play a human who has grown up in desperation or had to live without. 

In all fairness, I don`t remember getting to play a non-privileged character in any rpgs. Not just Bioware`s games. i certainly can`t think of any.

Fable 2 

Technically the elder Scrolls games too, i suppose.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I think the availability of multiple Origins in the original game was a feature that appealed to a number of people. I certainly think it's loss in Dragon Age II was to the detriment of the game, since Hawke didn't appeal to me on any level.

Would you have been happier with a Hawke Elf, or a Hawke Dwarf?

Being human had very little to do with why I didn't enjoy playing as Hawke. I would have been happier if I didn't have to play as Bioware's character, human or not.

[Allan Schumacher]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Would you have been happier with a Hawke Elf, or a Hawke Dwarf?

Depending on how the protagonist was written, I think some people would have liked Elven and Dwarven protagonists; a Ferelden dwarf could have a different cultural view than his Kirkwall counterparts. I think a proactive elven protagonist would have been interesting, in how the Kirkwall elves might have responded to him.

No, I'm talking about no differences.  Just that Hawke (and family, though I suppose we could even make Hawke adopted) are now elves and dwarves.

I'm actually being very specific in asking this.

Because the issue is seeming to be very different than simply wanting to play as a dwarf or an elf.  I'm inferring by your response that the Elf/Dwarf option would only be sufficient if the game was appropriately altered to properly support the characters (insofar as much for your own liking anyways).

You said you didn't like Hawke.  I'm asking "Is it that you didn't like Hawke because he's human or is there other aspects of Hawke that make you dislike him?"

[Mykel54]

To me there is two different questions related to this matter. One is, as per the OP, do you mind if DA3 protagonist is human? Personally, i don´t, as long as there are some room to personalise your character (Hawke lacked origin story, but had good customisation in the dialogue personalities)

The other question, which is based on the answer to the first, would be: Do you mind if we make the protagonist of every DA game a human? (ex. to make the protagonist more relatable to new players to the series). I would be agaisnt this, if the different races don´t come back, then at least bioware could have the courage to make a game where the protagonist is not a human. but the story of the game is created from the beginning accounting for say an elf or dwarf character.

This is the way i would like to see other races being playable, in short, i don´t mind a human protagonist is the story was designed around it (like Hawke), but i do mind if every protagonist of all next DA games happens to be a human. for whatever reasons bioware decide is convenient.