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[hangmans tree]

Simple - make several relevant and strong backgrounds for the humies, ones that actually have impact on story and gameplay maybe...
The rest of you folks wait patiently for Dragon Age Online, there you will have beloved race customisation ;P

[tmp7704]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I didn't mean subjective attachment, or even the effectiveness of any given example.  Only the measurable, objective differences.  More quests, more references, more dialogue, more thematic relevance, etc.  Things you can count in numbers if not in enjoyment.  For example, more dialogue that makes reference to and asks you to comment on Hawke's past exists than does for any Warden.  Whether or not players valued it is an entirely different matter, as you point out. 

Hmm that's the thing, then. I think it's down to the wording you've used -- if the original post was like this, that the change resulted in more content associated with the only available species/origin, then that gets no argument from me, it's definitely true. It was just the original claim that such increase actually made things matter (which carried the implication they didn't matter before) that i found hard to agree with

[upsettingshorts]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

I wonder if it's the RACES people miss or the ORIGINS.

That's a discussion I'd like to see happen.

I have started a separate thread for this.  

[Gyrefalcon]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Having Male Hawke or Female Hawke narrate the story like Varric would be interesting, as an all seeing-godlike character. He wouldn't be in the story directly but would still let people know he or she knew about the inquisitor and met him at a few places. If they used the frame narrative just for this again, it would work. But it would be a lot of trouble over nothing. So yeah, I'd rather have to play as Hawke again.

Add your previous LI at your side and I could get behind this idea.  That would make a lot of people happy.

[jkflipflopDAO]

I'm really sorry you guys went human-only for the next game. In my opinion this is a really big letdown as I was really hoping we'd get something more like Origins than like the 2nd game. I think everyone is rooting for you guys to give us something a lot more Origins and a lot less DA2.

[Flurdt Vash]

Im not happy about this at all. <_< Crying isnt going to help at all of course. The decision has been made. I do feel like the rest of the information given shows that BioWare has listened to our ideas and our hopes for the future of the DA series. Being forced to play human though just instills that joke people made of the game being "Dragon Effect" as opposed to Dragon Age. When I head BioWare was looking at games i.e. Elder Scrolls my hope for race choice returned. I (personal opinion) do not like playing a human in any rpg. I am a human ... loosly and in my fantasy worlds I prefer to go all out and be something along with someone else. Thats just my preferance.

Still, its way to early to bring out the torches and pitchforks I think

You know, after all the hate died down and I went back and replayed DA2, I found that I liked it , and when I started experimenting with the personality change in the dialogue wheel I found that I loved it a lot more then I had originally claimed . I think (and some may disagree) that our initial hate came from the fact that we were expecting another Baldur's Gate, i.e. Origins 2 and we didnt get it. So, we threw up the gloves and hit the forums in a mad fan boy rush.

I may not be happy with the choice of having to be a human ... again, but Im not gonna let it get in the way like I did last time. This time, I want to approach the new game with NO reservations. This will be hard considering my friends and I are HUGE DA nerds, we even play the table top lol, but that is my goal. No reservations and see what is instore.

Again, I know my opinion will with out a doubt very from others and I mean not to offend (also English is not my first language so please excuse my grammar from time to time .), Im not happy about the choice or the fact that origins are being treated as an insta-back ground as opposed to a playable option, but Im not going to jump ship. I LOVE the world setting of DA, I love the races and I hope that if enough people continue to scream for multi races then we will eventually get them back, but I dont think that avoiding a game is a good way to get your voice heard, its just a good way to hurt sales which in turn could halt future development . Just my opinion, support what you love and express how you feel, but jumping ship wont help. Anyway now I rambling . Cant wait to see whats in store for us. Keep on BioWare

Modifié par Flurdt07, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:05 .

[abnocte]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

*snip*

As for "Baldur`s Gate with no racial options wouldn`t have been half the game it was." I think that's an immense disservice to the game and trivializes so much of what made it wonderful. The second one especially.

People like Minsc, Jaheira, Viconia, Edwin, and Imoen would all still be amazingly interesting characters even if they were all human. The only racial context that serves any meaning is Viconia, which essentially boils down to a woman in a matriarchal society that breaks free of it's oppressive rule and finds herself battling extreme fear and prejudices when walking among different societies.

At this point I guess we agree to disagree, because good story and good writing transcends those details. That the plot of each Baldur's Gate is indifferent to your race demonstrates this. I'd still love the game if it existed in a fantasy setting like Ultima's, and the NPCs fit their archetypes but were still human.

The bolded part is the important one. I agree that all BG companions could have been humans, even Viconia because its not really about wich race she is, but what culture she comes from.

With that said, DAO offered various races that where culturally different. Bioware created a rich world where just by choosing a race our PC's perception of Thedas could be/was vastly different.

Now you are only giving us the option to see Thedas through the eyes of a human, not someone that has lived a nomadic life from forest to forest with his/her clan that tries not to forget their old knowledge, or someone that has lived all his/her life underground with the constant menace of Darkspawn at his/her door, etc.

You could certainly offer us to be a human that was raised among Dalish or dwarfs... but would you?

And what about mages? I do wonder how you are going to fit a mage PC in the story, because in that regards DA2 left much to be desired...

[NedPepper]

A question:

If Bioware had decided your PC HAD to be an elf or a dwarf, how would you all feel about this?

Is it a case where you are still being restricted, or because so many of you are upset BECAUSE you like playing elves or dwarves, and would this be acceptable?

And if so, how would you respond to the people who like human protagonists?

I'm trying to understand the pulse of this argument, which right now seems to be slightly schizophrenic.

[Harle Cerulean]

nedpepper wrote...

A question:

If Bioware had decided your PC HAD to be an elf or a dwarf, how would you all feel about this?

Is it a case where you are still being restricted, or because so many of you are upset BECAUSE you like playing elves or dwarves, and would this be acceptable?

And if so, how would you respond to the people who like human protagonists?

I'm trying to understand the pulse of this argument, which right now seems to be slightly schizophrenic.

Well, that depends.  Now that I've had to sit through a bunch of people telling me that I only want to play an elf because of some sexual fetish, and being self-righteously smug that I don't have the option to play as my preferred race, I'd probably be pretty smug right back, with a dose of "Now you see how I feel."  Without taking that into account, however, I'd be sad for the people who like to play humans, but glad I wouldn't be stuck playing as one again.

However, the question is fairly pointless since such a limitation will never happen.  Bioware isn't going to cut out a human PC, ever.

[NedPepper]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

A question:

If Bioware had decided your PC HAD to be an elf or a dwarf, how would you all feel about this?

Is it a case where you are still being restricted, or because so many of you are upset BECAUSE you like playing elves or dwarves, and would this be acceptable?

And if so, how would you respond to the people who like human protagonists?

I'm trying to understand the pulse of this argument, which right now seems to be slightly schizophrenic.

Well, that depends.  Now that I've had to sit through a bunch of people telling me that I only want to play an elf because of some sexual fetish, and being self-righteously smug that I don't have the option to play as my preferred race, I'd probably be pretty smug right back, with a dose of "Now you see how I feel."  Without taking that into account, however, I'd be sad for the people who like to play humans, but glad I wouldn't be stuck playing as one again.

However, the question is fairly pointless since such a limitation will never happen.  Bioware isn't going to cut out a human PC, ever.

How can you know that?  What if the next game completely revolves around the Dalish reclaiming their homeland?  What would be the point of playing as a human?  It's an elven story that deals with elven culture.

[Sandy]

nedpepper wrote...

A question:

If Bioware had decided your PC HAD to be an elf or a dwarf, how would you all feel about this?

Is it a case where you are still being restricted, or because so many of you are upset BECAUSE you like playing elves or dwarves, and would this be acceptable?

And if so, how would you respond to the people who like human protagonists?

I'm trying to understand the pulse of this argument, which right now seems to be slightly schizophrenic.

While I identify alot easier with human characters than I do with elves or dwarfs, I think I would be fine with a game only devoted to a dwarf or elf protagonist BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW BIOWARE TO CREATE A MORE FOCUSED STORY. That is what I have been saying all along. For me, yes, I wanted to play a human, so I'm good for DA3, but if for DA4 we can only be an elf or a dwarf I would be fine with that as well, because I have faith in Bioware to create an amazing story that draws from the fact that the protagonist is a select certain race.

[Huntress]

abnocte wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

*snip*

As for "Baldur`s Gate with no racial options wouldn`t have been half the game it was." I think that's an immense disservice to the game and trivializes so much of what made it wonderful. The second one especially.

People like Minsc, Jaheira, Viconia, Edwin, and Imoen would all still be amazingly interesting characters even if they were all human. The only racial context that serves any meaning is Viconia, which essentially boils down to a woman in a matriarchal society that breaks free of it's oppressive rule and finds herself battling extreme fear and prejudices when walking among different societies.

At this point I guess we agree to disagree, because good story and good writing transcends those details. That the plot of each Baldur's Gate is indifferent to your race demonstrates this. I'd still love the game if it existed in a fantasy setting like Ultima's, and the NPCs fit their archetypes but were still human.

The bolded part is the important one. I agree that all BG companions could have been humans, even Viconia because its not really about wich race she is, but what culture she comes from.

With that said, DAO offered various races that where culturally different. Bioware created a rich world where just by choosing a race our PC's perception of Thedas could be/was vastly different.

Now you are only giving us the option to see Thedas through the eyes of a human, not someone that has lived a nomadic life from forest to forest with his/her clan that tries not to forget their old knowledge, or someone that has lived all his/her life underground with the constant menace of Darkspawn at his/her door, etc.

You could certainly offer us to be a human that was raised among Dalish or dwarfs... but would you?

And what about mages? I do wonder how you are going to fit a mage PC in the story, because in that regards DA2 left much to be desired...

I totally agree with you, Thedas is getting smaller and able to make an Inquisitors blood-mages are going to fit very well in the lore..

maybe some think I hate DA or Thedas I don't, is just things that brake game lore or make absolutly no ****ing sense upset me to no vail and seen Bioware defend all this crap is not helping to either side, is just add more doughts and dissatisfaction towards their product.

If Bioware is going to keep humans as the only avalable race then am sure open ending is out of the game, right? meh dought that, that will cost alot of resources to add. meh

[NedPepper]

sandellniklas wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

A question:

If Bioware had decided your PC HAD to be an elf or a dwarf, how would you all feel about this?

Is it a case where you are still being restricted, or because so many of you are upset BECAUSE you like playing elves or dwarves, and would this be acceptable?

And if so, how would you respond to the people who like human protagonists?

I'm trying to understand the pulse of this argument, which right now seems to be slightly schizophrenic.

While I identify alot easier with human characters than I do with elves or dwarfs, I think I would be fine with a game only devoted to a dwarf or elf protagonist BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW BIOWARE TO CREATE A MORE FOCUSED STORY. That is what I have been saying all along. For me, yes, I wanted to play a human, so I'm good for DA3, but if for DA4 we can only be an elf or a dwarf I would be fine with that as well, because I have faith in Bioware to create an amazing story that draws from the fact that the protagonist is a select certain race.

No, I fall on your side of the argument.  It should be what services the story.  And BTW, I'd play Dragon Age 4 if you could only be an elf trying to reclaim elven culture.  Because it would service the story.  

I'm just curious as to how other people would respond.  I'm curious on how everyone so entrenched in this....conversation...would react.  Genuinely curious.

[Flurdt Vash]

sandellniklas wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

A question:

If Bioware had decided your PC HAD to be an elf or a dwarf, how would you all feel about this?

Is it a case where you are still being restricted, or because so many of you are upset BECAUSE you like playing elves or dwarves, and would this be acceptable?

And if so, how would you respond to the people who like human protagonists?

I'm trying to understand the pulse of this argument, which right now seems to be slightly schizophrenic.

While I identify alot easier with human characters than I do with elves or dwarfs, I think I would be fine with a game only devoted to a dwarf or elf protagonist BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW BIOWARE TO CREATE A MORE FOCUSED STORY. That is what I have been saying all along. For me, yes, I wanted to play a human, so I'm good for DA3, but if for DA4 we can only be an elf or a dwarf I would be fine with that as well, because I have faith in Bioware to create an amazing story that draws from the fact that the protagonist is a select certain race.

Why limit though ? I mean we had a good focused story with Origins, why make everyone play Shep... errrr I mean a human

Okay, Im sorry I just couldnt help myself, Ill go now

P.A. As per my prior post I wanted multi races, but Ill get over it, I love DA regardless

[Nerevar-as]

nedpepper wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

A question:

If Bioware had decided your PC HAD to be an elf or a dwarf, how would you all feel about this?

Is it a case where you are still being restricted, or because so many of you are upset BECAUSE you like playing elves or dwarves, and would this be acceptable?

And if so, how would you respond to the people who like human protagonists?

I'm trying to understand the pulse of this argument, which right now seems to be slightly schizophrenic.

Well, that depends.  Now that I've had to sit through a bunch of people telling me that I only want to play an elf because of some sexual fetish, and being self-righteously smug that I don't have the option to play as my preferred race, I'd probably be pretty smug right back, with a dose of "Now you see how I feel."  Without taking that into account, however, I'd be sad for the people who like to play humans, but glad I wouldn't be stuck playing as one again.

However, the question is fairly pointless since such a limitation will never happen.  Bioware isn't going to cut out a human PC, ever.

How can you know that?  What if the next game completely revolves around the Dalish reclaiming their homeland?  What would be the point of playing as a human?  It's an elven story that deals with elven culture.

If only... Most people play as human, so the PC is going to be one regardless of whether it makes sense or not. So unless it happens on a DLC, expect a human to discover and deal with everything elvish and dwarvish that happens in the future, no matter how patronizing it could come across ("superior" individual helping out the "underdog" cultures).

[Huntress]

nedpepper wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

A question:

If Bioware had decided your PC HAD to be an elf or a dwarf, how would you all feel about this?

Is it a case where you are still being restricted, or because so many of you are upset BECAUSE you like playing elves or dwarves, and would this be acceptable?

And if so, how would you respond to the people who like human protagonists?

I'm trying to understand the pulse of this argument, which right now seems to be slightly schizophrenic.

Well, that depends.  Now that I've had to sit through a bunch of people telling me that I only want to play an elf because of some sexual fetish, and being self-righteously smug that I don't have the option to play as my preferred race, I'd probably be pretty smug right back, with a dose of "Now you see how I feel."  Without taking that into account, however, I'd be sad for the people who like to play humans, but glad I wouldn't be stuck playing as one again.

However, the question is fairly pointless since such a limitation will never happen.  Bioware isn't going to cut out a human PC, ever.

How can you know that?  What if the next game completely revolves around the Dalish reclaiming their homeland?  What would be the point of playing as a human?  It's an elven story that deals with elven culture.

I think s/he is trying to said:

Bioware making the main character as an elf the only option and see the reaction of the people who only wants to play as humans.
got it?
I'll give you an  exemple:I will be so angry if forced to play as dwarf or kossith in single player but having the option to play human or elf online.. thats exactly when the **** hit the fan.

[NedPepper]

Nerevar-as wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

A question:

If Bioware had decided your PC HAD to be an elf or a dwarf, how would you all feel about this?

Is it a case where you are still being restricted, or because so many of you are upset BECAUSE you like playing elves or dwarves, and would this be acceptable?

And if so, how would you respond to the people who like human protagonists?

I'm trying to understand the pulse of this argument, which right now seems to be slightly schizophrenic.

Well, that depends.  Now that I've had to sit through a bunch of people telling me that I only want to play an elf because of some sexual fetish, and being self-righteously smug that I don't have the option to play as my preferred race, I'd probably be pretty smug right back, with a dose of "Now you see how I feel."  Without taking that into account, however, I'd be sad for the people who like to play humans, but glad I wouldn't be stuck playing as one again.

However, the question is fairly pointless since such a limitation will never happen.  Bioware isn't going to cut out a human PC, ever.

How can you know that?  What if the next game completely revolves around the Dalish reclaiming their homeland?  What would be the point of playing as a human?  It's an elven story that deals with elven culture.

If only... Most people play as human, so the PC is going to be one regardless of whether it makes sense or not. So unless it happens on a DLC, expect a human to discover and deal with everything elvish and dwarvish that happens in the future, no matter how patronizing it could come across ("superior" individual helping out the "underdog" cultures).

That's awfully cynical.  And a big assumption.  You could be right.  Seems to me, based on his writing, Gaider likes elves and dwarves.  So does Bioware.  It could be that Dragon Age 3 focuses mainly on a human problem that spreads out to affect all races.  So they'll be there.  But, just going on the little information I have, it makes sense to have a human PC.

Laidlaw has aleady said moving forward, race selection could come back.  Let them tell this story, the one they've been building, and see what the future holds. 

But, it goes back to my original question.  Would people play a game with just an elven PC? 

[Nerevar-as]

nedpepper wrote...
That's awfully cynical.  And a big assumption.  You could be right.  Seems to me, based on his writing, Gaider likes elves and dwarves.  So does Bioware.  It could be that Dragon Age 3 focuses mainly on a human problem that spreads out to affect all races.  So they'll be there.  But, just going on the little information I have, it makes sense to have a human PC.

Laidlaw has aleady said moving forward, race selection could come back.  Let them tell this story, the one they've been building, and see what the future holds. 

But, it goes back to my original question.  Would people play a game with just an elven PC? 

Where Bioware is concerned, DA2, ME3 and making TOR instead of Kotor 3 are reason enough to be cynical. And limiting the player to a human is wasting opportunities on a setting like Thedas. As Allan mentioned, you could make everyone save for Viconia in BG2 human and it wouldn´t make much difference, because classic fantasy races aren´t an issue in the FR. Being an elf in Thedas however is a big issue, so race selection actually influenced some choices I made during the game. Limiting the PC to human makes the setting less rich than it has the potential to be.

[Flurdt Vash]

Nerevar-as wrote...

nedpepper wrote...
That's awfully cynical.  And a big assumption.  You could be right.  Seems to me, based on his writing, Gaider likes elves and dwarves.  So does Bioware.  It could be that Dragon Age 3 focuses mainly on a human problem that spreads out to affect all races.  So they'll be there.  But, just going on the little information I have, it makes sense to have a human PC.

Laidlaw has aleady said moving forward, race selection could come back.  Let them tell this story, the one they've been building, and see what the future holds. 

But, it goes back to my original question.  Would people play a game with just an elven PC? 

Where Bioware is concerned, DA2, ME3 and making TOR instead of Kotor 3 are reason enough to be cynical. And limiting the player to a human is wasting opportunities on a setting like Thedas. As Allan mentioned, you could make everyone save for Viconia in BG2 human and it wouldn´t make much difference, because classic fantasy races aren´t an issue in the FR. Being an elf in Thedas however is a big issue, so race selection actually influenced some choices I made during the game. Limiting the PC to human makes the setting less rich than it has the potential to be.

This I have to agree with, it feels like a limitation on an otherwise epic fantasy setting. Just my opinion.<_<

[Salaya]

What I also fear from this decision is that is the first one in a large list of disappointments.

If Bioware does not take the risky path of multiple races, does this means we will have (again) the childish tone of Dragon Age 2? Since forcing human MC is clearly a decision made to appeal the majority that does not play RPGs (among other many reasons, of course), surely keeping the cartoonish look and excessive animations could be a desirable objective for the dev team.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Salaya wrote...

What I also fear from this decision is that is the first one in a large list of disappointments.

If Bioware does not take the risky path of multiple races, does this means we will have (again) the childish tone of Dragon Age 2? Since forcing human MC is clearly a decision made to appeal the majority that does not play RPGs (among other many reasons, of course), surely keeping the cartoonish look and excessive animations could be a desirable objective for the dev team.

Is there something inherent about RPG players that makes them prefer playing non-human characters?

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 24 octobre 2012 - 04:34 .

[Salaya]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Salaya wrote...
Beatiful letters with red ink

Is there something inherent about RPG players that makes them prefer playing non-human characters?

Of course not.

[Flurdt Vash]

Salaya wrote...

What I also fear from this decision is that is the first one in a large list of disappointments.

If Bioware does not take the risky path of multiple races, does this means we will have (again) the childish tone of Dragon Age 2? Since forcing human MC is clearly a decision made to appeal the majority that does not play RPGs (among other many reasons, of course), surely keeping the cartoonish look and excessive animations could be a desirable objective for the dev team.

You know (for me anyways), the Art and the Combat was the best thing about DA2. I didnt mind either of those. Actually, Im very much in love with both , but agree in the "fear of ..."   I (personally) try to look at BioWares track record, and other then DA2, they have never really let me down (even though I have become very fond of DA2 in its own regards, but NOT at first, at first I had a torch and pitch fork like many others ) So, Im trying to trust that this choice is going to enhance the story. Still, as stated by  Nerevar-as, I still feel that " Limiting the PC to human makes the setting less rich than it has the potential to be."

[Flurdt Vash]

Salaya wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Salaya wrote...
Beatiful letters with red ink

Is there something inherent about RPG players that makes them prefer playing non-human characters?

Of course not.

I think its just a desire to Role Play. As an RPG player, we enjoy our multiple personalities and all the options we can get to express them

[Palipride47]

abnocte wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

*snip*

As for "Baldur`s Gate with no racial options wouldn`t have been half the game it was." I think that's an immense disservice to the game and trivializes so much of what made it wonderful. The second one especially.

People like Minsc, Jaheira, Viconia, Edwin, and Imoen would all still be amazingly interesting characters even if they were all human. The only racial context that serves any meaning is Viconia, which essentially boils down to a woman in a matriarchal society that breaks free of it's oppressive rule and finds herself battling extreme fear and prejudices when walking among different societies.

At this point I guess we agree to disagree, because good story and good writing transcends those details. That the plot of each Baldur's Gate is indifferent to your race demonstrates this. I'd still love the game if it existed in a fantasy setting like Ultima's, and the NPCs fit their archetypes but were still human.

The bolded part is the important one. I agree that all BG companions could have been humans, even Viconia because its not really about wich race she is, but what culture she comes from.

With that said, DAO offered various races that where culturally different. Bioware created a rich world where just by choosing a race our PC's perception of Thedas could be/was vastly different.

Now you are only giving us the option to see Thedas through the eyes of a human, not someone that has lived a nomadic life from forest to forest with his/her clan that tries not to forget their old knowledge, or someone that has lived all his/her life underground with the constant menace of Darkspawn at his/her door, etc.

You could certainly offer us to be a human that was raised among Dalish or dwarfs... but would you?

And what about mages? I do wonder how you are going to fit a mage PC in the story, because in that regards DA2 left much to be desired...

AH! Great point  I did not think about that. 

The backgrounds will fix the immersion, plot changing, people-reacting difference (if implemented really nicely and right- since they aren't playable - so more pressure on them) but there is a cultural difference that you don't get when playing the same shems. 

Sure, you could be a Orlesian street rat, but you don't have the compounded difficulty of being an elf on the streets (since you'd either be there, living in the Alienage, or a "servant" in some human's home) 

The City Elf Wedding Background adds the touch of racial tension that would not be there with human/ human intereaction. In that case, it is just a rapey sadistic ass, and you don't have the subtext of the subjugation of not just you, but everyone who looks like you when he kidnaps your bride/ you. 

Or how the humans and elves only remember the darkspawn when they see them on the surface (Blights and what not). The Orzammar dwarfs deal with them EVERY SINGLE DAY. Population is shrinking, their empire is a shadow of their former self, and they are alone (essentially).

Humans would never have that same appreciation, and you won't get a chance to have that appreciation. 

It's more to some people than "I want pointy ears" (although that may be it to others) but I don't know how you add the new "cultural" view we got with DAO back in with only humans. 

Flurdt07 wrote...

Salaya wrote...

What I also fear from this decision is that is the first one in a large list of disappointments. 

If Bioware does not take the risky path of multiple races, does this means we will have (again) the childish tone of Dragon Age 2? Since forcing human MC is clearly a decision made to appeal the majority that does not play RPGs (among other many reasons, of course), surely keeping the cartoonish look and excessive animations could be a desirable objective for the dev team.

You know (for me anyways), the Art and the Combat was the best thing about DA2. I didnt mind either of those. Actually, Im very much in love with both , but agree in the "fear of ..."   I (personally) try to look at BioWares track record, and other then DA2, they have never really let me down (even though I have become very fond of DA2 in its own regards, but NOT at first, at first I had a torch and pitch fork like many others ) So, Im trying to trust that this choice is going to enhance the story. Still, as stated by  Nerevar-as, I still feel that " Limiting the PC to human makes the setting less rich than it has the potential to be."

Completely agree. I also had the "torch and pitchfork" attitude after my first playthrough, and I've also become fond of DA2 now. It really grew on me. I think DA2 has its own merits and is the perfect game for a set of fans that can play with a specific attitude, "mindset," whatever. 

You have to think and play differently to play both games (for the most part).

And now Bioware's in trouble, they've got two "core" fan sets that seem mutually incompatible (or some like to think they are completely incompatible <_< becuase they play the games right and no one else exists and they do it wrong COD fanboys DnD virgins blah blah blah....)

Bioware needs to:

1. Prove them wrong, make a great "compromise" that only the most hard line core fans (I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT ONE GAME AND HATE THE OTHER ONE ARRRHGRHGIUREIV!!!! NO COMPROMISE!!!!!! will hate)

2. Make one closer to DA2, DAO people walk out, say they've "been abandoned"

3. Make one closer to DAO, DA2 people get angry about "pandering to old-school, dry RPGers"

4, Prove them right, make a horrible hybrid, eveyone is angry, free DLC. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 24 octobre 2012 - 04:53 .