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[sympathy4sarenreturns]

For what BioShock is supposed to be, that is a terrible cover. He basically said "yeah, we knew you'd hate it, but screw you who cares, you're gonna give me your money anyway so I really don't care."

Glad I'm no Bioshock fan. Dishonored's cover kicked ass.

[Addai]

Dishonored devs are big fans of Irrational.

I think you're being a bit cynical there. They're admitting that the cover wasn't designed to appeal to the core audience but to people who might not otherwise pick it up. What's wrong with that? The PC Gamer preview reassures me that there is plenty under the hood. I especially like that there is lots of story in the world (as I would expect from Bioshock) and characters you interact with who aren't insane.

[Savber100]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Glad I'm no Bioshock fan. Dishonored's cover kicked ass.

 

And how was Dishonored's cover not generic? Because it used a dash of gray rather than brown? 

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

How is THAT MASK generic? It's like saying a big daddy is generic.

Modifié par sympathy4sarenreturns, 11 décembre 2012 - 07:04 .

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

I guess the question for the fans is if any special edition or collector's edition will have the same adornment.

With all the work put into the game, with all the effort and polish and delays, and then the dude picks out a cover he knows fans will hate....is a middle finger.

[Chromie]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

How is THAT MASK generic?

Badass dagger wielding mask seems generic to me.


This is better.

Modifié par Skelter192, 11 décembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Addai]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

I guess the question for the fans is if any special edition or collector's edition will have the same adornment.

With all the work put into the game, with all the effort and polish and delays, and then the dude picks out a cover he knows fans will hate....is a middle finger.

I buy digital, so I don't care.  Can't imagine anything less important about a game.

[RinuCZ]

I watched the trailer today. It feels like Bioshock 1 all over again, except in the sky. I guess I'll pass.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 11 décembre 2012 - 10:54 .

[Addai]

In the sky is one thing I'm looking forward to- not because of the novelty aspect but because since Dishonored I'm really addicted to freedom to use vertical spaces and zip around a level, and it sounds like this game has that dynamic.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Skelter192 wrote...

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

How is THAT MASK generic?

Badass dagger wielding mask seems generic to me.


This is better.

That is indeed better. Bonfire tranquility. I love Dark Souls. Box art isn't important, but I expect many (including myself) would be PISSED if Dark Souls II had a box cover that looked like Final Fantasy. Levine discusses attracting frat boys...and no doubt wants future repeat business. With art to the game officially compromised and Bioshock now officially cliche, you wonder what mechanics and gameplay elements will now be compromised.

I do hope fans of the game enjoy it, however. Don't misunderstand my criticism.

[Addai]

Bioshock, cliche'?

Ok, whatever.

[In Exile]

You know what? I actually didn't pay much attention to Bioshock on the self because it did not even look close to my kind of game - because I thought the protagonist was unrelatedable, and that's my first check. I only got it when I was in the market for an RPG and ran across it, having seen it well recommended.

I think it absolutely makes sense to showcase the protagonist on the box.

[Isichar]

O M G!

Dat boxart... Now I got to boycott the game.

Oh wait I dont get physical game copies anymore...

Or care that much.

[Atalanta]

Because of their decision with the cover, they're unfortunately also perpetuating the (very popular) idea that the only way to sell a video game is to have a "badass" white male protagonist plastered all over it.
I would personally love to see many more games feature a person of color or a woman as the hero. Unfortunately, every game that features a white male and sells well is more ammunition for publishers and marketing heads to use against developers that want to do something different.

[Isichar]

Atalanta wrote...

Because of their decision with the cover, they're unfortunately also perpetuating the (very popular) idea that the only way to sell a video game is to have a "badass" white male protagonist plastered all over it.
I would personally love to see many more games feature a person of color or a woman as the hero. Unfortunately, every game that features a white male and sells well is more ammunition for publishers and marketing heads to use against developers that want to do something different.

*cough*

http://trueslant.com...th-its-box-art/

Well if nothing else it proves there is other ways to sell a game.

Modifié par Isichar, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[Chewin]

Huge fan of the series, and very excited for this installment. It's been a long wait, and will be a bit longer, but few a month or two goes rather fast and I'm certain it will do good for the game.

As for the box art, I'm certain that Ken Levine and the team at Irrational are fully aware on where the line goes between the informed and uninformed ones. There are a great deal of folks who have already decided they're going to get Infinite b/c they're either fans of the series or have been keeping up with its progress. People's interest is already peaked and invested and they don't necessarily need commercials, ads or fancy box art to appeal to them. Nothing wrong with diverting marketing energy to the "uniformed", as Levine put it.

Though despite that, while I understand Levine's 'Salad Dressing analogy', I disagree that this current box art is the only way to "cater the uninformed audience", and personally believe that the cover art could have instead reflected the illustration style from the turn of the century, which would probably have made it stick out from the rest of the crowd and help build upon the distinctive art themes that this series embraces, i.e. the art deco saturated environment from Bioshock 1 and 2.

But I'm sure they know what's best for their team themselves, and at least they will release a set of alternative covers for those who disapprove of the it.

[Atalanta]

Isichar wrote...
*cough*

http://trueslant.com...th-its-box-art/

Well if nothing else it proves there is other ways to sell a game.

[Isichar]

In terms of AAA titles I think you will typically get publishers pushing to appeal to the highest demographic of gamers when it comes to advertising, which is what I consider box art. I dont actually have any problem with most the popular concepts on their own (sex, white males walking away casually from explosions, ect.) but it is a bit sad to see the lack of creativity that exists in the industry, it promotes stagnation to favor what company's know will sell, which is lame in an industry built on art, though hardly surprising.

Luckily for me box art does not even qualify as been relevant to my opinions of the actual game itself.

Modifié par Isichar, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:02 .

[Atalanta]

Isichar wrote...
it is a bit sad to see the lack of creativity that exists in the industry, it promotes stagnation to favor what company's know will sell, which is sad in an industry built on art, though hardly surprising.

Luckily for me box art does not even qualify as been relevant to my opinions of the actual game itself.

My opinions on marketing decisions don't effect my view of the game, either. The first BioShock won me over with its shocking twists and turns in the plot, and Infinite will be a definite purchase for me, regardless of the cover or whatever Levine says about wanting to attract frat boys.

It's just that this stagnation, as you aptly described it, is a vicious cycle. It's up to supposedly pro-diversity publishers (like EA) to break it, so that we can see change in the future.

Modifié par Atalanta, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:15 .

[Isichar]

I completely agree, though I certainly am not holding my breath.

I will give EA credit in this particular topic for Mirrors Edge.

[Addai]

Atalanta wrote...

Because of their decision with the cover, they're unfortunately also perpetuating the (very popular) idea that the only way to sell a video game is to have a "badass" white male protagonist plastered all over it.
I would personally love to see many more games feature a person of color or a woman as the hero. Unfortunately, every game that features a white male and sells well is more ammunition for publishers and marketing heads to use against developers that want to do something different.

I care 0%- maybe less- about what color or gender the protagonist is.  Just want a good character.  For a game like Bioshock, the protagonist doesn't matter much at all, it's the world that is the focus and the protagonist is just a frame for it rather than the other way around.

[Atalanta]

Addai67 wrote...
I care 0%- maybe less- about what color or gender the protagonist is.  Just want a good character.  For a game like Bioshock, the protagonist doesn't matter much at all, it's the world that is the focus and the protagonist is just a frame for it rather than the other way around.

That's fine, and your opinion is completely valid.

But is it so unreasonable to sometimes want to play a hero that looks like you? Growing up as a scrawny Lakota girl, there were zero protagonists that looked like me in the games I played. None.
Whereas my friends who also shared my love of games (white boys, mostly) got all sorts of awesome characters to look up to (and now remember fondly).