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[mr weeman]

What would yield higher DPS?

Pure dex rogue and 20-ish cun for locks and assuming I have pinpoint strike active

or

50 cun for locks (with 2 in deft hands line) and like 40-ish dex with the assassin backstabbing skills and song of courage?

I already have a pure cun so I know how it goes. Just wanna try a diff build.

[bas273]

Read the first post in this thread. It explains it all.



To answer your question: max cunning gives you a higher DPS. However, Dexterity adds to your defense rating so I always go for Dexterity (which still allows you to do insane amounts of damage).

[mr weeman]

Oh yeah I forgot about that thread. Thanks man I thought that thread was for pure cunning so I didn't bother reading it.

But still, would the hybrid build be gimped?

[bas273]

It doesn't really matter. Max Cunning gives you more DPS, max Dexterity gives you more defense. It's a choice, nothing more.

I think the game will be just as easy with both builds.

[Silensfurtim]

[saberaxe]

Your correct in saying max cun gives you the most DPS thats for sure but since with a max cun build your going to get 32 dex anyway its not like were lacking on that section besides defense tends to irrelevant if you tank is setup properly and holding aggro while you backstabbing away and you know which target(s) to attack and that video is off on my cun rogue I have a 91% hit rate I wouldn't exactly call that low.

Modifié par saberaxe, 01 janvier 2010 - 03:28 .

[mr weeman]

I already played a max cun rogue so I know how it goes. I just want to know how a pure dex would compare to a dex+cun hybrid.

I guess it'll be the same auto-rogue combat style.

[saberaxe]

Well to answer that question its about the same if your party is everything properly still backstabbing people all the time mixed in with your specials except you do less damage.

[Sledge454]

Twin daggers + 36 dexterity + all other points into cunning + lethality + dual strike + momentum = win battle button.

Modifié par Sledge454, 01 janvier 2010 - 04:04 .

[emodeathmachine]

Why has no one mentioned Cunning + Song of Battle? Melee party + CUN rogue = win.

[Silensfurtim]

^ yep. Assassin/Bard rocks.

[emodeathmachine]

I meant song of courage, woops. =P

[NDAv]

I am pumping cunning to 40 my main character right now just improve lockpicking and trap detection to the next level, because I don't want to waste talent points on deft hands just for locks and traps. Maybe I will pump it to 50 after. No more is needed in terms of locks and traps.



After I plan to pump both dexterity for roleplaying purposes, and it is better for duelist. My character is also an assassin, which gets increased backstab from cunning, so that is something to consider also.

[mr weeman]

^ that's what I'm doing right now. Level 11 City Elf, duelist, 42 cun, 30-ish dex. With 2 lockpick skills, I can open almost all the chests. My damage is ok, like ~50 crits.



Maybe before landsmeet I'll respec to max dex and test, but right now the hybrid satisfies me.

[Foufoug]

Silensfurtim wrote...

^ yep. Assassin/Bard rocks.

fail

assassin / duelist own mine got 400dps x) with auto atk °° he solo the archidemon in nightmare mode^^ he got huge hp amount around 300 with kinda high stamina.

just to let you know that 1crit of mine = 150dmg

Modifié par Foufoug, 02 janvier 2010 - 05:23 .

[Boozan]

If you want pure dps, rogue rangers know how to do the job. Since the game mainly focuses on rangers, they do SO MUCH DAMAGE in so little time.



So therefore you must have:



MAXIMUM DEX

30 Willpower

30 Cunning

10-20 Constitution(on your main char for special powers, lock-pick,etc...)



this is the pure DPS build... also here are the skills that you need to get to become unstoppable:



1) Deft Hands + Rapid Shot

2) Shattering Shot

3) Pinning Shot

4) Crippling Shot

5) Suppressing Fire + Improved Tools

6) Critical Shot

7) Summon Wolf

8) Summon Bear

9) Scattershot

10) Summon Spider

11) Melee Archer

12) Arrow of Slaying

13) Master Ranger

14) Song of Valor

15) Aim

16) Defensive Fire

17) Master Archer

[bas273]

Boozan wrote...

If you want pure dps, rogue rangers know how to do the job. Since the game mainly focuses on rangers, they do SO MUCH DAMAGE in so little time.

So therefore you must have:

MAXIMUM DEX
30 Willpower
30 Cunning
10-20 Constitution(on your main char for special powers, lock-pick,etc...)

this is the pure DPS build... also here are the skills that you need to get to become unstoppable:

1) Deft Hands + Rapid Shot
2) Shattering Shot
3) Pinning Shot
4) Crippling Shot
5) Suppressing Fire + Improved Tools
6) Critical Shot
7) Summon Wolf
8) Summon Bear
9) Scattershot
10) Summon Spider
11) Melee Archer
12) Arrow of Slaying
13) Master Ranger
14) Song of Valor
15) Aim
16) Defensive Fire
17) Master Archer

IMO 20-25 Cunning is more than enough. And you need 20 Strength for Wade's Superior Drakeskin Armor (Light Armor). And 25 Willpower worked fine for me .

And you forgot about Dirty Fighting. It's a very useful talent to stun an enemy that gets too close to you.

Good build though!

[reddragon567]

My first playthrough I had a rogue with ONLY Dex/Cun. As an assassin/duelist

He also never invested a single point into attack skills.

It was an interesting game for sure.

[Boozan]

Wade superior Drake Armor? .....It only provides fire resistance....Well thats what mine had, the first one I had just gave me fire res found it pretty useless. but yes I forgot to add str.



Thanks bud!

[mr weeman]

The superior drakeskin armor has dex pluses in it. Its the second set he forges for you.



Anyways, imma try that rogue ranger next time. It looks interesting.

[Boozan]

oh wow but wouldn't that ruin your dragon set? Because what I've learned from was that wade only make 2 armors and then his assistance doesn't let you interfere with his work.



So I slayed the dragon using the horn in mountaintop (city of haven) and made a plate for alistair.

[Darthvegeta8000]

Max dex and good cunning is also the way to go for a dual wielding Rogue in other words? I presume he relies on criticals etc? How well does such a char fare in one on one fights against tough opponents?



For a good dualwielder is a Rogue or a Warrior a better basis?

[Nuclear_Pony]

I already made a DEX rogue archer / ranger (like Boozan suggests wich is a good build, not to mention extremely fun). Maybe I'll go for the CUN rogue this time (haven't tried that yet).

[mosspit]

I too am curious on how a max dex gd cun rogue plays out.



On paper, max dex gd cun rogue (Ass/Duel) will get dmg, atk and def per dex point investment. In comparison, max cun rogue (assuming also a Ass/Duel) will get more dmg (thru talents) per cun point investment. (I ignored arm pen as it scale quite badly with cun)



What I am thinking is that a max dex rogue will be less dependent on dps basing on backstabs and has good survivability. Therefore is less party dependent. Max cun rogues dps is more dependent on backstabs and will require a party to setup a battle in a backstabbing-friendly way. However, I feel that a max cun rogue will have better dps.

[Haplose]

Sledge454 wrote...

Twin daggers + 36 dexterity + all other points into cunning + lethality + dual strike + momentum = win battle button.

You don't want to use Dual Striking most of the time.
Well unless you use Pinpoint Strikes or your mage has cast Death Hex.