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[Deerber]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Oh and Daft... you should know by now... numbers =/= actual in-game usefulness.

Judging by numbers is stupid and you will never make a valid argument for it. The Reegar is an excellent weapon for sure, but it's not OP in the slightest. 3k DPS, ok. But that's burst DPS. The sustained is lower (Reegar has a long reload speed even RC'ing) and you need to run from target to target to kill things. You also need to regularly hit the ammo boxes because it has so little ammo.

Definitely agree on this. Mathematic calculations almost never reflect in-game behavior. In *any* game.

So no, Reegar has not got 3k sustained DPS in game. Mainly because most of the pellets seem to miss, shooting right through the enemy.

Still, it makes every class using it play the same way. If you see someone wielding a reegar, you don't say "Oh, that guy's a sentinel/infiltrator/whatever." You say "That guy's using a reegar". And that is not nice.

Someone mentioned, in this topic: make AP ammo/mod useless on the reegar. And you're set. It doesn't need anything else. With that change, it would still be an awesome gun against barriers/shield. Melting banshee's barriers in one clip. Killing phantoms in a little more than half a clip. But, it would become situational. Use it against an armored opponent, and you won't have an easy time.
So, my two cents are with this suggestion.

[BetrayerOfNihil]

chipsandwich wrote...
I sort of agree with what OP is getting at - that the Reegar is a firehose which allows classes to play using it as a crutch, but honestly it's more because of the Shredder Mod and Incendiary Ammo IV. Without either of those things it is not actually that great.

A Crutch? More like a wheelchair... actually, more like full-body Mechanical Augmentation.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Tonymac wrote...

*snifflesnuffle*

Someone beat me on the scoreboards!!!! Waaaaah!

Try rolling with a Reegar. Try what that person did. Solo gold with it.

Then you can talk smack.

The Reegar is not the be all end all shotgun of doom that kills everything on the map with a press of the trigger. It requires a certain style of play, and a certain level of skill to use effectively. If you do not belive me, use the thing on a solo gold - carry ONLY the Reegar. On Gold/Platinum you will find that it has severe ammunition and distance limitations. You will also find that you DO have to aim it - because if you are not getting headshots consistently you are not going to make it. You will burn through too much ammo and get that beep-beep sound that we used to get back in ME1.

Enough with the tears just because you got harshed on the scoreboards. Deal with it.

To you, and to others here, plz stop the ad hominem, kthnxbye. I am not THE best person in the game, but I think I am good enough to where I know what I'm doing with these guns. Look at BetrayerofNihl and what he says (I've never played with him, but I do agree with him) and I know Deerber's a very good player, and he'd know what he's doing with that gun.

I used to use the Reegar, and stopped using it, because when I used it, I found that it was hijacking the playstyle specific to whichever classes I gave it to, just because it killed things so fast that powers didn't hardly factor in.

[xsmiv]

DaftArbiter wrote...

The usual complaint is "But it's short range, isn't that a weakness?" Well yes, but on characters who can close the distance instantly, is it really?

Part of this game is finding effective combinations of characters, powers, weapons, mods, equipment, and playstyle.  Some of those combinations are going to be better than others - otherwise, that part of the game is meaningless.

Even for skilled players, fighting in close quarters carries a risk - shouldn't there be a reward as well?

[BetrayerOfNihil]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Talon can't kill several trooper-level enemis in a second or two? 

Maybe not in your hands. 

What's your Talon? Not II, likely. And are you usng it on a Human Vanguard/Ex-Cerberus Vanguard for mixed Weapon/Power Damage, and not something with maxed Weapon Damage?

[Deerber]

DaftArbiter wrote...

I used to use the Reegar, and stopped using it, because when I used it, I found that it was hijacking the playstyle specific to whichever classes I gave it to, just because it killed things so fast that powers didn't hardly factor in.

I think this is the point.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

chipsandwich wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Although Daft... you did use the Hurricane AND the Talon yesterday when I was playing with you.

You do know both of those weapons are more 'overpowered' than the Reegar, right?

Welcome to flametown, population - the players from yesterday's Drell thread.

I sort of agree with what OP is getting at - that the Reegar is a firehose which allows classes to play using it as a crutch, but honestly it's more because of the Shredder Mod and Incendiary Ammo IV. Without either of those things it is not actually that great.

No comment on the Hurricane and Talon, at least in a place where Bioware devs can read

Hopefully my videos will be done soon so we can see myself noob it up in the presence of the illustrious OP :innocent:

I do think you're right about the AP bonuses. Without that, it might be ok.

Illustrious? lolwut? Those drell games were for ****s and giggles. Be glad I don't use a mic or you would've heard me giggling incessantly and the madness we created in that game.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Daft... the problem I don't think you understand is this:

The world doesn't cater to hipsters.

Isn't that what you WANT? If they nerf all the popular weapons, people will start using all the ones YOU use because they're so under-represented and 'hip'.

You don't want that happening, do you?

No way, cuz that makes the game challenging while keeping the classes distinct. My favorite game I did was an all-drell gold run after the game dropped because neither myself nor my team were good enough to really "carry" anyone. It was exciting and also extremely crazy.

I just love when power-suites dominate. Makes things feel more unique.

[akimboDEEZ]

Because this gun is so extremely close range and that It leaves you extremely dependent on the box. It is fine as is. MY vorcha almost depends on this on higher levels just so my bloodlust can save me. if your argument is only on 2 of the 6 classes in the game. then your argument in invalid. I don't see the reegar get used too often. only every occasional vorcha. a gun is OP only if EVERY class can use it and win with little to no issue.

[xcrunr1647]

This thread is both new and interesting.

[d_nought]

DaftArbiter wrote...


I do think you're right about the AP bonuses. Without that, it might be ok.

Illustrious? lolwut? Those drell games were for ****s and giggles. Be glad I don't use a mic or you would've heard me giggling incessantly and the madness we created in that game.

I actually have another all-Drell game with some other friends where I incidentally used the Reegar. It was Geth/Glacier/Platinum and let's just say the first three rounds were god-awful. Combat drones are an abomination.

Modifié par chipsandwich, 22 octobre 2012 - 01:59 .

[Flambirex]

BetrayerOfNihil wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Talon can't kill several trooper-level enemis in a second or two? 

Maybe not in your hands. 

What's your Talon? Not II, likely. And are you usng it on a Human Vanguard/Ex-Cerberus Vanguard for mixed Weapon/Power Damage, and not something with maxed Weapon Damage?

I, on the other hand, do have a Talon II, and can manage to get the 20 Headshots medal quite quickly (maybe by Wave 4, I do realise people can get it as early as Wave 2, but I'm clearly not among the best few percent of players).

The Reegar is severly limited by its ammo. If you don't take the ammo mod you have around 6 clips (I have it at VII and have 5 and a bit). I do agree its nice and powerful on Vanguards, but I see that as a risk/reward thing.

[RecoonHoodie]

Well, fu ck you OP

[BetrayerOfNihil]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Well if you're going to set every single parameter, what's the point of asking a question.

What level is your Reegar? Not level 2, likely. And are you using it on an un-specced Quarian Female Engineer and not something with maxed weapon damage and weapon synergies (AKA Vanguards and Infiltrators?)

See. It works both ways.

The **** does that mean? My Quarian Male Engineer only totals to +15% Weapon Damage with Quarian Defender, and my Tactical Scan isn't entirely made for enemy weakening. I also don't have Incinerate to weaken Armor, yet the Reegar still ruins everything it shoots at, even without, as I said before, the AP, EB, or new H-VB.

Modifié par BetrayerOfNihil, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:13 .

[An English Gamer]

How about no? It does bugger all vs armour and has no range.
I'm worried about the GPS talk in this topic. Don't nerf my favourite gun. ;_; It's not even easily usable off host.

Also have you tried to use a Reegar on a teleporting banshee? Usually doesn't end well.

Modifié par An English Gamer, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:17 .

[BetrayerOfNihil]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Oh I see, my comment so offended you that you placed me on your block list.

How adult of you. Carry on being ignorant and wrong and believing that the Reegar is an instant I-win button if you like. I don't really mind.

I did that a while ago because you're a complete jackass.

[-JP-]

Leave the Reegar alone, for crying out loud.

[sareth_65536]

I like how anyone don't want to admit obvious things about reegar to not lose their last cheap and overpowered toy.
This thread is awesome.

I think armor DR ignore things shouldn't work on reegar and it will be fine.

[Kataigida]

How often have you tried playing using the Reegar OP? It basically has similar/the same drawbacks as the Harrier, except also the additional drawback of range.

It has a very fast rate of fire, so you burn through your 22 shots in about two or three seconds and have to reload. Even then, at X you only have 88 spare ammo, enough for 4 reloads. Isn't that less than the Harrier has at X? Or even less than X? You basically HAVE to have spare ammo mod on it, or be able to run to ammo boxes very fast and hope no one else is using low-spare-ammo weapons.

Also, it's still one of the heavier shot guns if I remember correctly...because it certainly isn't a Disciple, and last I checked it weighed more than the Piranha, which can arguably take down bosses faster.