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[Yate]

iakus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Yate wrote...

I really don't see why people hate on Destroy. Yeah, the geth are gone, but we all knew there'd be sacrifices. If we won the war conventionally but lost the geth, would people still complain? I don't think so, so it must be something about Catalyst. It's like people still see the Reapers as 'winning'. But they only really win if Synthesis is picked, otherwise they're brainwashed or dead. Shepard won, Catalyst lost, no question about that. It's just that Catalyst accepted it's defeat and tried to help Shepard at the end, which isn't bad writing at all, even if it is a little unsatisfying for a video game.

^. I agree wholeheartedly 

No.

Indeed.

THere's a world of difference between losing allies in battle, and deliberately exterminating them i "friendly fire"

So I assume you stopped playing after Virmire.

[Iakus]

Yate wrote...

Also, it's stated in game the geth aren't past the point of repair.

Citation needed

[Reorte]

Yate wrote...

You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering. Shepard kicked the Reapers asses, made his way to their brain, and reshaped the galaxy the way he wanted.

Which with some choices rather unpleasantly aligns with what the enemy wanted too.

[Iakus]

Yate wrote...

So I assume you stopped playing after Virmire.

You mean where Shepard can take responsibility fro Ash/Kaidan's death?

[PinkysPain]

Yate wrote...
You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering.

In victory you dictate the options, in surrender you take what is offered to you ... you took what was offered (I alt-f4'd).

Modifié par PinkysPain, 23 octobre 2012 - 06:57 .

[Tootles FTW]

crimzontearz wrote...

I always admitted I picked Destroy solely to save Shepard

And I would sacrifice earth, the quarians, half the normandy's crew and even garrus to have a reunion scene....

But Bioware seems to think I should just imagine it

^You're a bad person and you should feel bad about yourself.  Or I'll just imagine you feeling bad, and we'll call it a day.  That'll be $80.

[crimzontearz]

Tootles FTW wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I always admitted I picked Destroy solely to save Shepard

And I would sacrifice earth, the quarians, half the normandy's crew and even garrus to have a reunion scene....

But Bioware seems to think I should just imagine it

^You're a bad person and you should feel bad about yourself.  Or I'll just imagine you feeling bad, and we'll call it a day.  That'll be $80.

Liara is carrying my blue babies

Garrus isn't

[jsl1016]

Yate wrote...

Why is everyone upset that we didn't get more cutscenes of Shepard's allies?

Why does everyone act like the choices didn't make a difference in the universe?

Why are you all incapable of accepting that the ending is open-ended, and try to force BW to give clarify absolutely every little thing that happened?

What do you people want, exactly?.

You people have no idea how spoiled we are, being able to see everything that happens in the game in high-quality cutscenes with phenomenal voice acting. And you complain about the little bits of sideplot that happen from the EMS screen? What ever happened to imagination? What ever happened to enjoying open-ended adventures and coming up with your own stories? No other series has given players such opportunity to create their own universe, and you whine that your every action isn't given a unique cutscene?

Bah, I'm probably wasting my time. If you did get all this stuff, you'd whine about railroading and that YOUR Shepard would never blink like he did in that cutscene. Hell, you morons actually managed to whine your way into getting an ending where Shepard derps and chooses at the last second not to save the universe. And then you get mad at the fact that refusing to do the one thing the plot says you have to do makes you lose the game. Unbelievable.

It's very simple. I PAID MONEY FOR THE GAME. $60 plus the Day 1 DLC $10 for a total of $70. Given that, I expect every detail possible and not have a lazy assed ending that resembles a 1990's PC monitor (RGB).

[Yate]

Reorte wrote...

Yate wrote...

You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering. Shepard kicked the Reapers asses, made his way to their brain, and reshaped the galaxy the way he wanted.

Which with some choices rather unpleasantly aligns with what the enemy wanted too.

Saying the choices align is saying "both Shepard and Catalyst don't want to completely destroy the galaxy forever".

[Yate]

PinkysPain wrote...

Yate wrote...
You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering.

In victory you dictate the options, in surrender you take what is offered to you ... you took what was offered (I alt-f4'd).

Maybe, but the Catalyst wasn't in a better position.

[PinkysPain]

Shrug, I don't care about the macalyst ... I wanted victory.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yate wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

Yate wrote...
You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering.

In victory you dictate the options, in surrender you take what is offered to you ... you took what was offered (I alt-f4'd).

Maybe, but the Catalyst wasn't in a better position.

Only think that keeps him from continuing the cycles is his assumption that you'll play along, reject him and see what happens. He's far from helpless.

[Yate]

PinkysPain wrote...

Shrug, I don't care about the macalyst ... I wanted victory.

then you won!

[Yate]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Yate wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

Yate wrote...
You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering.

In victory you dictate the options, in surrender you take what is offered to you ... you took what was offered (I alt-f4'd).

Maybe, but the Catalyst wasn't in a better position.

Only think that keeps him from continuing the cycles is his assumption that you'll play along, reject him and see what happens. He's far from helpless.

Well, it was your whining that got Refusal into canon in the first place, hope you're happy.

[Funkdrspot]

The funny part about the whiners is that they DO use their imagination, its just that they use it in a constantly negative, always assume a plothole, murphys law type of way.

I simply practice occams razor and I'm ok with open ended. I just would have liked:
The catalyst not b the child
Priority earth reflect your choices, teammates, etc
That they splice in scions and praetorians from ME2 in place of rachini and banshees if you saved the queen and bombed the monistary.

[PinkysPain]

Yate wrote...
then you won!

I'll agree alt-f4 is winning of a sort compared to any ending you had  ... but I'd like to have a victory actually in the game, I don't need to pay money to not play a game.

[TheRealJayDee]

Yate wrote...

If we won the war conventionally but lost the geth, would people still complain? I don't think so, so it must be something about Catalyst.

You might be on to something...!

[Grubas]

Yate wrote...

Well, it was your whining that got Refusal into canon in the first place, hope you're happy.

Good that you mention it. At least one pre-release statement bioware could live up to after the disaster. This is what you've been refering to, right? 

The meaningful connection between prerelease developer statements and dissatisfied customers past release. 

[drayfish]

Yate wrote...

iakus wrote...

Indeed.

THere's a world of difference between losing allies in battle, and deliberately exterminating them i "friendly fire"

So I assume you stopped playing after Virmire.

I don't see how you can possibly try to compare a soldier agreeing to sacrifice themself for the mission (admittedly under orders, but with Shepard apologising to them, and they acknowledging a tactical decision had to be made, even agreeing with the call), with the wholesale, surprise slaughter of an entire species (at the whim of the enemy).

Kaiden or Ashley knew that as soldiers they would be placed in frontline conflict; they knew that on every mission they were fighting in service of their commander and may have to give their life to serve the mission's goal.  That rationale breaks down however when broadened to encompass an entire race, and it is a gross semantic fraud to pretend that because the Geth were fighting as members of the galactic alliance that they should have expected their whole species might be exterminated. 

(Also, I would argue that such reasoning completely dissolves when other options are introduced. The Geth did not have to be destroyed in some sick measurement of 'which form of life is more valuable'. I imagine if you had have gotten one of the Geth on the line he may well have said, 'Yeah, how about instead of all the arbitrary Geth death you give Synthesis a try?  Maybe we can get us some tear-ducts...')

Indeed, the Geth were actually fighting for the right to exist - for their peoples to live and explore their relatively newfound selfhood.  By choosing Destroy you completely obliterate that desire.  You dismiss it, deciding that other species' right to life outweighs theirs.  It is a grotesquely racist action, one that favours organic over synthetic and (frankly like all the other options) only serves to prove the Catalyst's racist nonsense right.

That you would try to compare that to a soldier being willing - in the most noble action possible - to give their life in service of others, is either intentionally misleading, or a disturbing misunderstanding of what 'sacrifice' actually means. 

Modifié par drayfish, 23 octobre 2012 - 08:55 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yate wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Yate wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

Yate wrote...
You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering.

In victory you dictate the options, in surrender you take what is offered to you ... you took what was offered (I alt-f4'd).

Maybe, but the Catalyst wasn't in a better position.

Only think that keeps him from continuing the cycles is his assumption that you'll play along, reject him and see what happens. He's far from helpless.

Well, it was your whining that got Refusal into canon in the first place, hope you're happy.

I wanted a succesful refusal so no I'm not. As it stands it just serves to emphasize what was there to begin with, which we already said we didn't like.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 23 octobre 2012 - 09:12 .

[Apocaleepse360]

drayfish wrote...

Yate wrote...

iakus wrote...

Indeed.

THere's a world of difference between losing allies in battle, and deliberately exterminating them i "friendly fire"

So I assume you stopped playing after Virmire.

I don't see how you can possibly try to compare a soldier agreeing to sacrifice themself for the mission (admittedly under orders, but with Shepard apologising to them, and they acknowledging a tactical decision had to be made, even agreeing with the call), with the wholesale, surprise slaughter of an entire species (at the whim of the enemy).

Kaiden or Ashley knew that as soldiers they would be placed in frontline conflict; they knew that on every mission they were fighting in service of their commander and may have to give their life to serve the mission's goal.  That rationale breaks down however when broadened to encompass an entire race, and it is a gross semantic fraud to pretend that because the Geth were fighting as members of the galactic alliance that they should have expected their whole species might be exterminated. 

(Also, I would argue that such reasoning completely dissolves when other options are introduced. The Geth did not have to be destroyed in some sick measurement of 'which form of life is more valuable'. I imagine if you had have gotten one of the Geth on the line he may well have said, 'Yeah, how about instead of all the arbitrary Geth death you give Synthesis a try?  Maybe we can get us some tear-ducts...')

Indeed, the Geth were actually fighting for the right to exist - for their peoples to live and explore their relatively newfound selfhood.  By choosing Destroy you completely obliterate that desire.  You dismiss it, deciding that other species' right to life outweighs theirs.  It is a grotesquely racist action, one that favours organic over synthetic and (frankly like all the other options) only serves to prove the Catalyst's racist nonsense right.

That you would try to compare that to a soldier being willing - in the most noble action possible - to give their life in service of others, is either intentionally misleading, or a disturbing misunderstanding of what 'sacrifice' actually means. 

Which is exactly why I think they should survive the destroy ending - or we should at least have a conventional victory, which is now possible with Leviathan on our side.

[Yate]

If you're upset about the geth, then pick control. O_O

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Yate wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Yate wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

Yate wrote...
You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering.

In victory you dictate the options, in surrender you take what is offered to you ... you took what was offered (I alt-f4'd).

Maybe, but the Catalyst wasn't in a better position.

Only think that keeps him from continuing the cycles is his assumption that you'll play along, reject him and see what happens. He's far from helpless.

Well, it was your whining that got Refusal into canon in the first place, hope you're happy.

Yeah because that's a valid counter argument.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 23 octobre 2012 - 09:41 .

[Yate]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yate wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Yate wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

Yate wrote...
You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering.

In victory you dictate the options, in surrender you take what is offered to you ... you took what was offered (I alt-f4'd).

Maybe, but the Catalyst wasn't in a better position.

Only think that keeps him from continuing the cycles is his assumption that you'll play along, reject him and see what happens. He's far from helpless.

Well, it was your whining that got Refusal into canon in the first place, hope you're happy.

Yeah because that's a valid counter argument.

When the original argument is I DON'T LIKE THE ENDINGS BECAUSE YOU RECONCILE WITH YOUR ENEMY INSTEAD OF BLOWING HIM UP what do you really expect?

[Thore2k10]

For me the ending is, was and apparently will be forever broken.

What we got doesnt fit the rest of the story. Its still like it was designed for a whole other setting than what was actually there in the first 2,9 games.

And I certainly didnt pay Bioware to tell me, that i need to use my imagination... like i dont pay for a good Book, only to write the last 10 Pages of it myself.

Well i suppose the Mass Effect trilogy (one of the games i had played a loooong time, forgot the count of my playthrougs) will most certainly rot in my Steam library/Origin account forever, because i dont feel any urge to play them again. But why should Bioware care, they already got my money... Im curious if they pull off something with mass effect 4 to redeem themselves...

IMHO!

Modifié par Thore2k10, 23 octobre 2012 - 09:48 .