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[GreyLycanTrope]

Yate wrote...

If you're upset about the geth, then pick control. O_O

Reapers are the problem we want them gone, not patroling the galaxy.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 23 octobre 2012 - 09:50 .

[Yate]

Thore2k10 wrote...

For me the ending is, was and apparently will be forever broken.

What we got doesnt fit the rest of the story. Its still like it was designed for a whole other setting than what was actually there in the first 2,9 games.

And I certainly didnt pay Bioware to tell me, that i need to use my imagination... like i dont pay for a good Book, only to write the last 10 Pages of it myself.

Well i suppose the Mass Effect trilogy (one of the games i had played a loooong time, forgot the count of my playthrougs) will most certainly rot in my Steam library/Origin account forever, because i dont feel any urge to play them again. But why should Bioware care, they already got my money... Im curious if they pull off something with mass effect 4 to redeem themselves...

IMHO!

Cry some more.

The ending does fit with the rest of the game. Destroy, control, and even synthesis have been hinted at through the entire saga, the only ending that doesn't fit is refusal. The story ends where it needed to end, any more would have ruined the open-ended atmosphere of the series.

Go ahead and hate BioWare if makes you feel better, just stay out of these forums.

[Yate]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Yate wrote...

If you're upset about the geth, then pick control. O_O

Reapers are the problem we want them gone, not patroling the galaxy.

Then choose destroy.

OH MY GOD, A GRITTY SERIES ABOUT WAR AND SACRIFICE DOESN'T HAVE AN ENDING THAT'S HAPPILY EVER AFTER

NOBODY COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS

[Versus Omnibus]

The large amount of grim and dark elements such as the Mass Relays being destroyed rendered anything my imagination could come up with impossible. Galactic civilization had been wiped out in seconds, with no chance to recover. That's not lack of imagination, that's what Bioware showed me.

[Iakus]

Yate wrote...
When the original argument is I DON'T LIKE THE ENDINGS BECAUSE YOU RECONCILE WITH YOUR ENEMY INSTEAD OF BLOWING HIM UP what do you really expect?

An ending that felt like a win?

A "win" that didn't make me feel unclean afterwards?

An ending consistent with the endings of ME1 and ME2?

Just a few thoughts

[Iakus]

Yate wrote...

OH MY GOD, A GRITTY SERIES ABOUT WAR AND SACRIFICE DOESN'T HAVE AN ENDING THAT'S HAPPILY EVER AFTER

NOBODY COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS

ME1 worked out pretty well.

SO did ME2.

SO did DAO.

ME3 fails hard compared to them.

[Yate]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

The large amount of grim and dark elements such as the Mass Relays being destroyed rendered anything my imagination could come up with impossible. Galactic civilization had been wiped out in seconds, with no chance to recover. That's not lack of imagination, that's what Bioware showed me.

They also showed you the relays being fixed. So yes, you ARE using your imagination. You ARE speculating and creating your own ending. You're just being whiny about it.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Yate wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yate wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Yate wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

Yate wrote...
You're deluded if you think the game's end was Shepard surrendering.

In victory you dictate the options, in surrender you take what is offered to you ... you took what was offered (I alt-f4'd).

Maybe, but the Catalyst wasn't in a better position.

Only think that keeps him from continuing the cycles is his assumption that you'll play along, reject him and see what happens. He's far from helpless.

Well, it was your whining that got Refusal into canon in the first place, hope you're happy.

Yeah because that's a valid counter argument.

When the original argument is I DON'T LIKE THE ENDINGS BECAUSE YOU RECONCILE WITH YOUR ENEMY INSTEAD OF BLOWING HIM UP what do you really expect?

Certainly not strawman...or capslock
But if you insist on caps I must inform you ,it doesn't make you any more intelligent.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 23 octobre 2012 - 10:06 .

[Yate]

iakus wrote...

Yate wrote...
When the original argument is I DON'T LIKE THE ENDINGS BECAUSE YOU RECONCILE WITH YOUR ENEMY INSTEAD OF BLOWING HIM UP what do you really expect?

An ending that felt like a win?

A "win" that didn't make me feel unclean afterwards?

An ending consistent with the endings of ME1 and ME2?

Just a few thoughts

For me anyway, yes.

Yes.

As consistent as ME2 was with ME1.

[Yate]

iakus wrote...

Yate wrote...

OH MY GOD, A GRITTY SERIES ABOUT WAR AND SACRIFICE DOESN'T HAVE AN ENDING THAT'S HAPPILY EVER AFTER

NOBODY COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS

ME1 worked out pretty well.

SO did ME2.

SO did DAO.

ME3 fails hard compared to them.

LOL if you think the ME2 ending 'worked out'.

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO REMEMBERS THE MASSIVE OUTCRY OVER THE HUMAN REAPER???

HEY LOOK, THAT DIDN'T RUIN THE SERIES!

AND NEITHER WILL THIS.

STAY CHILL PEOPLE.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Yate wrote...

iakus wrote...

Yate wrote...
When the original argument is I DON'T LIKE THE ENDINGS BECAUSE YOU RECONCILE WITH YOUR ENEMY INSTEAD OF BLOWING HIM UP what do you really expect?

An ending that felt like a win?

A "win" that didn't make me feel unclean afterwards?

An ending consistent with the endings of ME1 and ME2?

Just a few thoughts

For me anyway, yes.

Yes.

As consistent as ME2 was with ME1.

But the endings of ME1 and 2 are consistant, seeing as how you actually win,without any needing for speculation on whether or not you did.

You also didn't have to imagine that you won.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 23 octobre 2012 - 10:14 .

[Thore2k10]

Yate wrote...

Cry some more.

The ending does fit with the rest of the game. Destroy, control, and even synthesis have been hinted at through the entire saga, the only ending that doesn't fit is refusal. The story ends where it needed to end, any more would have ruined the open-ended atmosphere of the series.

Go ahead and hate BioWare if makes you feel better, just stay out of these forums.

And who are you to tell me that?

Question was asked, question was answered. I think the ending doesnt fit and i can not imagine how, or why the catalyst is there and does what it does! Its not in line with anything that happened 2,9 games before. The extended cut didnt made it any better, only polished it a bit to make it more shiny.

And because i dont understand and cant imagine how or why the catalyst is there and does what it does, bioware failed to produce a congruent and complete story. At least you should see that i am not alone with these complaints, so thats not just me that is not happy about it. but please, go ahead and tell half of the forum to stay out!

if you think otherwise and you still can enjoy the game, im happy for you...

still IMHO

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Let me ask you a question Yate, let's just say the endings do fit. Let's just say that Organics Vs synthetics was the main theme of the ME trilogy.

Doesn't that mean that BioWare failed to tell their story if only few people got that it was the main theme?

[Thore2k10]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...


Doesn't that mean that BioWare failed to tell their story if only few people got that it was the main theme?

exactly my point!

[Yate]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yate wrote...

iakus wrote...

Yate wrote...
When the original argument is I DON'T LIKE THE ENDINGS BECAUSE YOU RECONCILE WITH YOUR ENEMY INSTEAD OF BLOWING HIM UP what do you really expect?

An ending that felt like a win?

A "win" that didn't make me feel unclean afterwards?

An ending consistent with the endings of ME1 and ME2?

Just a few thoughts

For me anyway, yes.

Yes.

As consistent as ME2 was with ME1.

But the endings of ME1 and 2 are consistant, seeing as how you actually win,without any needing for speculation on whether or not you did.

It's obvious in the EC that things turn out pretty rosy. The details are left to you, but you won, no question.

[Yate]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Let me ask you a question Yate, let's just say the endings do fit. Let's just say that Organics Vs synthetics was the main theme of the ME trilogy.

Doesn't that mean that BioWare failed to tell their story if only few people got that it was the main theme?

No, it means most of the fans are still upset over the pre-EC endings, and are currently going through the 5 stages of grief.

IT was denial, then we got a lot of anger, then bargining with EC and other DLC speculation, now most of you are in the depressive phase.

[Yate]

Not sure what you're getting at with the 'main theme', ME never really had an obvious theme spanning everything. But yeah, organics vs. synthetics has been around since ME1, so...

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Yate wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yate wrote...

iakus wrote...

Yate wrote...
When the original argument is I DON'T LIKE THE ENDINGS BECAUSE YOU RECONCILE WITH YOUR ENEMY INSTEAD OF BLOWING HIM UP what do you really expect?

An ending that felt like a win?

A "win" that didn't make me feel unclean afterwards?

An ending consistent with the endings of ME1 and ME2?

Just a few thoughts

For me anyway, yes.

Yes.

As consistent as ME2 was with ME1.

But the endings of ME1 and 2 are consistant, seeing as how you actually win,without any needing for speculation on whether or not you did.

It's obvious in the EC that things turn out pretty rosy. The details are left to you, but you won, no question.

Ok, I never bothered to download it, but even so, ME1/2 didn't need dlc to show you that, and also you didn't need to speculate on what exactly "victory" constituted.

[AresKeith]

Yate wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Let me ask you a question Yate, let's just say the endings do fit. Let's just say that Organics Vs synthetics was the main theme of the ME trilogy.

Doesn't that mean that BioWare failed to tell their story if only few people got that it was the main theme?

No, it means most of the fans are still upset over the pre-EC endings, and are currently going through the 5 stages of grief.

IT was denial, then we got a lot of anger, then bargining with EC and other DLC speculation, now most of you are in the depressive phase.

Wow, that is so not answering the question and missing the point

And for the record, the Organic V. Synthetic theme/subplot mainly focused around the Quarians and Geth

Modifié par AresKeith, 23 octobre 2012 - 10:22 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Yate wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Let me ask you a question Yate, let's just say the endings do fit. Let's just say that Organics Vs synthetics was the main theme of the ME trilogy.

Doesn't that mean that BioWare failed to tell their story if only few people got that it was the main theme?

No, it means most of the fans are still upset over the pre-EC endings, and are currently going through the 5 stages of grief.

IT was denial, then we got a lot of anger, then bargining with EC and other DLC speculation, now most of you are in the depressive phase.

Handwaving doesn't invalidate nor answer the question.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 23 octobre 2012 - 10:23 .

[Versus Omnibus]

Yate wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

The large amount of grim and dark elements such as the Mass Relays being destroyed rendered anything my imagination could come up with impossible. Galactic civilization had been wiped out in seconds, with no chance to recover. That's not lack of imagination, that's what Bioware showed me.

They also showed you the relays being fixed. So yes, you ARE using your imagination. You ARE speculating and creating your own ending. You're just being whiny about it.

Wrong. In the Extended Cut I saw the Relays being fixed, not in the original (and before you get pretentious again, I liked the EC.)

Lets go down the established facts in the ME universe used in the original ending.

1. A Mass Relay being destroyed can wipe out an entire star system.
2. Starships cannot travel long distances without the Relays.
3. Homeworlds has been utterly devastated, with their industrial complexes hit the hardest by the Reapers.
4. Nearly every fleet from nearly every species has been destroyed by the Reapers.
5. The Mass Relays were destroyed completely. Not damaged slightly; completely destroyed!

And you're basically saying I should ignore all that and imagine everything turned out for the better? That's not imagination, that's delusion.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yate wrote...
Then choose destroy.

OH MY GOD, A GRITTY SERIES ABOUT WAR AND SACRIFICE DOESN'T HAVE AN ENDING THAT'S HAPPILY EVER AFTER

NOBODY COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS

Can't it kills the Geth. Mass Effect is gritty? Don't make me laugh. Walking Dead now that's gritty. I'll refer to drayfish's earlier post on addressing what you call "sacrifice":

drayfish wrote...

I don't see how you can possibly try to compare a soldier agreeing to sacrifice themself for the mission (admittedly under orders, but with Shepard apologising to them, and they acknowledging a tactical decision had to be made, even agreeing with the call), with the wholesale, surprise slaughter of an entire species (at the whim of the enemy).

Kaiden or Ashley knew that as soldiers they would be placed in frontline conflict; they knew that on every mission they were fighting in service of their commander and may have to give their life to serve the mission's goal. 
That rationale breaks down however when broadened to encompass an entire race, and it is a gross semantic fraud to pretend that because the Geth were fighting as members of the galactic alliance that they should have expected their whole species might be exterminated. 

(Also, I would argue that such reasoning completely dissolves when other options are introduced. The Geth did not have to be destroyed in some sick measurement of 'which form of life is more valuable'. I imagine if you had have gotten one of the Geth on the line he may well have said, 'Yeah, how about instead of all the arbitrary Geth death you give Synthesis a try?  Maybe we can get us some tear-ducts...')

Indeed, the Geth were actually fighting for the right to exist - for their peoples to live and explore their relatively newfound selfhood.  By choosing Destroy you completely obliterate that desire.  You dismiss it, deciding that other species' right to life outweighs theirs. It is a grotesquely racist action, one that favours organic over synthetic and (frankly like all the other options) only serves to prove the Catalyst's racist nonsense right.

That you would try to compare that to a soldier being willing - in the most noble action possible - to give their life in service of others, is either intentionally misleading, or a disturbing misunderstanding of what 'sacrifice' actually means. 

It's very well stated.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 23 octobre 2012 - 10:26 .

[EagleScoutDJB]

Using your imagination is great, it makes life so much more fun. But I shouldn't have to use my imagination to fill in holes in a game I payed $70 for, if I wanted to use my imagination to finish Mass Effect's story I wouldn't have bought the game..

Modifié par dbollendorf, 23 octobre 2012 - 10:26 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

AresKeith wrote...

Yate wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Let me ask you a question Yate, let's just say the endings do fit. Let's just say that Organics Vs synthetics was the main theme of the ME trilogy.

Doesn't that mean that BioWare failed to tell their story if only few people got that it was the main theme?

No, it means most of the fans are still upset over the pre-EC endings, and are currently going through the 5 stages of grief.

IT was denial, then we got a lot of anger, then bargining with EC and other DLC speculation, now most of you are in the depressive phase.

Wow, that is so not answering the question and missing the point

And for the record, the Organic V. Synthetic theme/subplot mainly focused around the Quarians and Geth

But in the end it was used to validate the choices the catalyst provides you, it was used to conclude the story overall.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 23 octobre 2012 - 10:26 .

[Iakus]

Yate wrote...

iakus wrote...

Yate wrote...

OH MY GOD, A GRITTY SERIES ABOUT WAR AND SACRIFICE DOESN'T HAVE AN ENDING THAT'S HAPPILY EVER AFTER

NOBODY COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS

ME1 worked out pretty well.

SO did ME2.

SO did DAO.

ME3 fails hard compared to them.

LOL if you think the ME2 ending 'worked out'.

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO REMEMBERS THE MASSIVE OUTCRY OVER THE HUMAN REAPER???

HEY LOOK, THAT DIDN'T RUIN THE SERIES!

AND NEITHER WILL THIS.

STAY CHILL PEOPLE.

What does the human Reaper have to do with "a gritty series about war and sacrifice"?

Oh, yeah, it's made up of the pureed bits of hundreds of thousands of human colonists.

Yeah, it looked stupid, and shouldn't have been used as a final boss.  But overall ME2 gave us an ending that felt like an ending, and I didnt' feel like a war criminal at the end.