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[palician]

Tomwew wrote...

i'm going to IMAGINE me4 and bioware can IMAGINE up my money. i'll get a coherent story with a satisfying ending and i get to keep my money. everybody wins!

This

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tomwew wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

i'm going to IMAGINE me4 and bioware can IMAGINE up my money. i'll get a coherent story with a satisfying ending and i get to keep my money. everybody wins!

Technically only you win.

the less money bioware get, the less likely they are to butcher their own stories further, everybody wins!

Or EA shuts them down like they have other companies. In that case, Bioware loses and all the fans, myself included, who liked ME3 will never get more Bioware games, so we lose too.

[Ironhandjustice]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

I want closure because the ending was RUSHED and BAD PROGRAMMED at first time. My opinion as developer, is not an insult.

I would be in no position of demanding anything if the original product was finished. But it wasn't.

The ending was sold as the "final trip of your character". We had an Asimov (or Deus ex) twin brother-ending, with no explanation, no choices, and nothing matters.

What could I want?

-An option to beat enemy without space magic.
-An option to interrupt starkid using renegade/paragon points
-An explanation of how the hell catalyst is unable to activate citadel relay but is capable to run the elevator
-An explanation of Haestrom subplot. Can be used for point one.
-If possible, an explanation of how Sheppard sees the catalyst (aka, you are not crazy), even if is "your conciousness has been uploaded"
-What the hell means to shoot tube, touch painfull rays or jump into a giant beam (hey, if you use previous point is easy, you are in a Virtual Reality when you meet starkid)
-Not war assets shown (why the hell we didn't just rewrite the number, huh?)
-Rachni...where the were?

I could go on, but probably no one cares...

You know OP, I care because I used to like the series. I want, resuming, a decent ending. The game is not worthy of the value. So, I'am a costumer that wants a fix (not even the return of my money) to an unfinished product.

Epilogues were fine, but still insuficient.

And, of course, I know I have had some mispellings, but I'm not english xD

[Pantanplan]

Yate wrote...

Fate of Shepard is perfectly clear:

Dead, Overlord of the Universe, or Alive.

Why do you need a reunion cutscene?

Mass Effect 3's plot is perfectly clear:

Shepard gathers allies, solves old grudges, builds an ancient superweapon, unites the galaxy and defeats the Reapers.

Why do you need a video game?

[Raging_Pulse]

crimzontearz wrote...

I am not only missing a cutscene (a reunion cutscene) but I am also told to IMAGINE the fate of my character

Yeah, no **** this

[Tomwew]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

i'm going to IMAGINE me4 and bioware can IMAGINE up my money. i'll get a coherent story with a satisfying ending and i get to keep my money. everybody wins!

Technically only you win.

the less money bioware get, the less likely they are to butcher their own stories further, everybody wins!

Or EA shuts them down like they have other companies. In that case, Bioware loses and all the fans, myself included, who liked ME3 will never get more Bioware games, so we lose too.

then you and the people who think bioware can redeem themselves should continue to support their products. those who don't won't. the fate of bioware will be decided thusly. perhaps 'everybody' was a fallacious absolute, i'm turning into the catalyst lol

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tomwew wrote...
then you and the people who think bioware can redeem themselves should continue to support their products. those who don't won't. the fate of bioware will be decided thusly. perhaps 'everybody' was a fallacious absolute, i'm turning into the catalyst lol

I will, and I hope they redeem themselves in your eyes someday.

[Grubas]

Im missing a hell lot of non existent game content in my copy of ME3. Gameplaywise the whole thing is a big incentive to play Multiplayer. I didnt ask for this.

About the story we can disscus, though story driven games should have an over the average storyarch + conclusion.

Modifié par Grubas, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:18 .

[crimzontearz]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Yate wrote...

Fate of Shepard is perfectly clear:

Dead, Overlord of the Universe, or Alive.

Why do you need a reunion cutscene?

 
Elper begs to differ. If you do not know what I am referring to then arguing with you is wasted keystrokes

There have been conflicting statements from Bioware on Shepard's status after Destroy. Epler says "could be" dead, Ackland says alive. We're supposed to decide for ourselves.

I don't know about yours, but mine lived.

Headcanon is one step removed from delusion. BW is the storyteller/DM...If the storyteller does not specifically say something happens then IT DID NOT. I have not paid 60$ to be told to do their job.

[Tomwew]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Tomwew wrote...
then you and the people who think bioware can redeem themselves should continue to support their products. those who don't won't. the fate of bioware will be decided thusly. perhaps 'everybody' was a fallacious absolute, i'm turning into the catalyst lol

I will, and I hope they redeem themselves in your eyes someday.

i guess deep down i do too, but if i'm being asked to imagine key points of the plot, and the story is an incoherrent plot hole ridden mess they won't. time will tell how much damage ten minutes of game (and the pr disaster defending it) can do to a company.

[Grubas]

Hepler was teasing. I liked his coment.

As Chriss Priestley once stated, Shepard is either dead or alive.If your still unclear about Sheps fate, well ...

But most likely hes alive.

[Ironhandjustice]

crimzontearz wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Yate wrote...

Fate of Shepard is perfectly clear:

Dead, Overlord of the Universe, or Alive.

Why do you need a reunion cutscene?

 
Elper begs to differ. If you do not know what I am referring to then arguing with you is wasted keystrokes

There have been conflicting statements from Bioware on Shepard's status after Destroy. Epler says "could be" dead, Ackland says alive. We're supposed to decide for ourselves.

I don't know about yours, but mine lived.

Headcanon is one step removed from delusion. BW is the storyteller/DM...If the storyteller does not specifically say something happens then IT DID NOT. I have not paid 60$ to be told to do their job.

You paid 60$, it was 60€ in my case. A LOT more...

So, their job is put a complete ending without headcanons. You can like it, or not, but an ending.

I didn't liked "the matrix" ending, but it was an ending, not an "imagine what happens next". It lets open some questions, and closes enought to not say "what the hell has just happened?".

By the way, I am a DM with experience, and the players always want to know everything about their endings.

[GimmeDaGun]

Yate wrote...

Why is everyone upset that we didn't get more cutscenes of Shepard's allies?

Why does everyone act like the choices didn't make a difference in the universe?

Why are you all incapable of accepting that the ending is open-ended, and try to force BW to give clarify absolutely every little thing that happened?

What do you people want, exactly?.

You people have no idea how spoiled we are, being able to see everything that happens in the game in high-quality cutscenes with phenomenal voice acting. And you complain about the little bits of sideplot that happen from the EMS screen? What ever happened to imagination? What ever happened to enjoying open-ended adventures and coming up with your own stories? No other series has given players such opportunity to create their own universe, and you whine that your every action isn't given a unique cutscene?

Bah, I'm probably wasting my time. If you did get all this stuff, you'd whine about railroading and that YOUR Shepard would never blink like he did in that cutscene. Hell, you morons actually managed to whine your way into getting an ending where Shepard derps and chooses at the last second not to save the universe. And then you get mad at the fact that refusing to do the one thing the plot says you have to do makes you lose the game. Unbelievable.

It's simple. Nowadays people (especially the young ones) do not read books anymore (and I'm not talking about pulp and trash fiction books, eg.:Star Wars, Harry Potter, Stephen King etc. -they are good in their own terms, but far from being real books). People also got used to take everything pre-digested (if it makes sense) in detail. They tend to lose themselves in tiny details and can't stand the fact that there are things that happen off the screen or that there are things are not explained in detail. They overanalyze things and they want to see everything (of course in the way they want it). This is the modern digital age. It harms imagination and intellectual capacity in many ways. It makes people intellectually and emotionally lazy and numb in some cases. 

Plus add the emotional attachment (in some cases way over the top and pathologycal) and obsession some feel for the series. 

[Tank207]

I love how every single thread about the ending eventually devolves into people basically going "Ya Ha! Nuh Uh! Ya Ha! Nuh Uh".

It gets to the point where I just have to roll my eyes and laugh at the silliness of it all.

[Ithurael]

Tank207 wrote...

I love how every single thread about the ending eventually devolves into people basically going "Ya Ha! Nuh Uh! Ya Ha! Nuh Uh".

It gets to the point where I just have to roll my eyes and laugh at the silliness of it all.

Or you could just go to the link in my sig

It helps with teh space magic!

[crimzontearz]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Yate wrote...

Fate of Shepard is perfectly clear:

Dead, Overlord of the Universe, or Alive.

Why do you need a reunion cutscene?

 
Elper begs to differ. If you do not know what I am referring to then arguing with you is wasted keystrokes

There have been conflicting statements from Bioware on Shepard's status after Destroy. Epler says "could be" dead, Ackland says alive. We're supposed to decide for ourselves.

I don't know about yours, but mine lived.

Headcanon is one step removed from delusion. BW is the storyteller/DM...If the storyteller does not specifically say something happens then IT DID NOT. I have not paid 60$ to be told to do their job.

You paid 60$, it was 60€ in my case. A LOT more...

So, their job is put a complete ending without headcanons. You can like it, or not, but an ending.

I didn't liked "the matrix" ending, but it was an ending, not an "imagine what happens next". It lets open some questions, and closes enought to not say "what the hell has just happened?".

By the way, I am a DM with experience, and the players always want to know everything about their endings.

as it should be

[blueumi]

I didn't buy the game twice one was the collectors edition and the other the standard which came to £100 to use my own mind ok bioware was the one who should make the ending clear and even my mind can't stop synthesis from sucking ok

[crimzontearz]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Yate wrote...

Why is everyone upset that we didn't get more cutscenes of Shepard's allies?

Why does everyone act like the choices didn't make a difference in the universe?

Why are you all incapable of accepting that the ending is open-ended, and try to force BW to give clarify absolutely every little thing that happened?

What do you people want, exactly?.

You people have no idea how spoiled we are, being able to see everything that happens in the game in high-quality cutscenes with phenomenal voice acting. And you complain about the little bits of sideplot that happen from the EMS screen? What ever happened to imagination? What ever happened to enjoying open-ended adventures and coming up with your own stories? No other series has given players such opportunity to create their own universe, and you whine that your every action isn't given a unique cutscene?

Bah, I'm probably wasting my time. If you did get all this stuff, you'd whine about railroading and that YOUR Shepard would never blink like he did in that cutscene. Hell, you morons actually managed to whine your way into getting an ending where Shepard derps and chooses at the last second not to save the universe. And then you get mad at the fact that refusing to do the one thing the plot says you have to do makes you lose the game. Unbelievable.

It's simple. Nowadays people (especially the young ones) do not read books anymore (and I'm not talking about pulp and trash fiction books, eg.:Star Wars, Harry Potter, Stephen King etc. -they are good in their own terms, but far from being real books). People also got used to take everything pre-digested (if it makes sense) in detail. They tend to lose themselves in tiny details and can't stand the fact that there are things that happen off the screen or that there are things are not explained in detail. They overanalyze things and they want to see everything (of course in the way they want it). This is the modern digital age. It harms imagination and intellectual capacity in many ways. It makes people intellectually and emotionally lazy and numb in some cases. 

Plus add the emotional attachment (in some cases way over the top and pathologycal) and obsession some feel for the series. 

I am well above thirty and consider the kind of writing given to us to be lazy at best when it comes to the ending. And mind you I read through the whole Darkover Saga so trust me I know about open endings and imagination (to a point).


 
Also, RPG ≠ book. This is a story WE as the player shape with the storytellers, it is not just presented to us...that changes a lot especially since Bioware enjoyed telling us "NO...MY STORY, MY SHEPARD, MY RULES" right at the very ****ing end

Modifié par crimzontearz, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:48 .

[Terravas]

palician wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

i'm going to IMAGINE me4 and bioware can IMAGINE up my money. i'll get a coherent story with a satisfying ending and i get to keep my money. everybody wins!

This

[CDR David Shepard]

crimzontearz wrote...

I am well above thirty and consider the kind of writing given to us to be lazy at best when it comes to the ending. And mind you I read through the whole Darkover Saga so trust me I know about open endings and imagination (to a point).


 
Also, RPG ≠ book. This is a story WE as the player shape with the storytellers, it is not just presented to us...that changes a lot especially since Bioware enjoyed telling us "NO...MY STORY, MY SHEPARD, MY RULES" right at the very ****ing end

Honest question...

Why don't you become a video game story writer?

[MattFini]

"Imagination" is a cop-out way of defending BioWare's poor storytelling decision to make the conclusion of their trilogy ambiguous and uncertain.

Really, it's inexcusable to suggest that we have to use our imaginations to "choose" how our Shepard's story concluded.

Doubly stupid that BioWare did this to a game that's strongest aspect is its characters.

[Tank207]

Ithurael wrote...

Tank207 wrote...

I love how every single thread about the ending eventually devolves into people basically going "Ya Ha! Nuh Uh! Ya Ha! Nuh Uh".

It gets to the point where I just have to roll my eyes and laugh at the silliness of it all.

Or you could just go to the link in my sig

It helps with teh space magic!

Now that's a very funny idea... I doubt anyone would survive though. The mortality rate would probably be higher than the Stephen King drinking game.

[crimzontearz]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am well above thirty and consider the kind of writing given to us to be lazy at best when it comes to the ending. And mind you I read through the whole Darkover Saga so trust me I know about open endings and imagination (to a point).


 
Also, RPG ≠ book. This is a story WE as the player shape with the storytellers, it is not just presented to us...that changes a lot especially since Bioware enjoyed telling us "NO...MY STORY, MY SHEPARD, MY RULES" right at the very ****ing end

Honest question...

Why don't you become a video game story writer?

first tell me why you are asking....

Modifié par crimzontearz, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:56 .

[Tootles FTW]

My imagination doesn't charge me $60.

[EDIT] Oh, wait, I bought the Collector's Edition.  So, $80.

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:56 .