ArinTheirinCousland wrote...
FreshIstay wrote...
ArinTheirinCousland wrote...
FreshIstay wrote...
Lol. Black people are all over the map
and cannot be characterized into any sort of cannonical "look" and
furthermore, you have Latino's and Pacific Islanders who share the same
skin color as Black People even though they are culturally different
from them, just as Black Americans are culturally different from
African's. There are some Latino's you can meet and consider them Black
at face value, up until the started speaking spanish and told you
otherwise. There are People in countries like Panama that look like Don
Cheadu, Puerto Rico who look like Beyonce, and Brazil who look like
Sanaa Lathan. So for people to expect a certain "look" for someone to be
black is completely ridiculous, all beit understandable by someone who
isnt very well cultured.
No one, absolutely no one is saying that black people *have* to look a certain way. To say that there aren’t features that are commonly associated with a race/ethnicity, however, is a tad silly… It’s like when people say “I don’t see color,” when referring to ethnicity/race: denying differences doesn’t allow for us to embrace them. Yes, “black people are all over the map,” but you said it yourself, “there are some Latinos you can meet and consider them as Black at face value, up until they started speaking Spanish,” hence you understand and on SOME level accept that nearly everyone has some expectations (as you put it) as to what a black(latino/indian/whatever) person looks like. I’m not saying that “only” black people look like this, or black people “only” look like this, or Latinos “only” look like this, etc. etc. And again, no one is denying that there are latinos, blacks, etc. whose physical attributes don’t coincide with what we (even those who are so well-cultured) have come to expect on some level, and no one is saying they have to either (and believe it or not, even those of us who are oh-so-ignorant do understand just how diverse our planet is).
Edit: whoops, didn't quote the first time 
If we are talking about African's then we can agree, but seeing as how African's do not consider themselve's Black, Im in no postition to tell them otherwise. I wouldnt even know where to begin to tell you what specific feature's are assoiciated with some other race's, well, except asians. (no offense at all intended)
What I wont do Is deny that western society expect's black people to look or act a certain way, what I will do
is say that it is absurd to have that expectation, considering, If you meet someone who you feel is black according to your expectations, you will ocassionly find yourself pleasently surprised, especially in America where Black American's only make up 14% of the total population.
As my favorite dwarf would say: “Point. Missing it.”
It’s only absurd if we actually “expect” this, instead of simply admitting that there are features commonly associated, etc.
“If you meet someone who you feel is black according to your expectations, you will occasionally find yourself pleasantly surprised,” I could go on and say “what do you mean pleasantly surprised? Is it an unpleasant thing for someone we ‘expect’ (and again, I’m only using this word because it’s one you first used) to be black to actually be black? Is it bad if people who have socially traditionally black features to actually be black?” But I’ll refrain from doing so because 1) I KNOW you did not mean to say in a negative light and I’m not about to be a jerk twist your words INTO a negative light. And 2) This goes along with my point somewhat: I understand and acknowledge that a person’s appearance doesn’t always adhere to what is more socially “expected,” BUT, what is so wrong for a person/character to look like the “expected” (for example Jacob)? Going back to one of my original examples, the Disney Hispanic princess, while I do not feel offended that her features aren’t traditionally Hispanic, I do find it a bit disconnecting. It’s almost like it’s NOT okay to include a minority character unless they look nothing like what we would normally associate with said minority.
Me and You are just going to have to disagree on this one.
I cannot tell you what a Traditional Hispanic looks like, I do not know what feature's are commonly or traditionally associated with Hispanic's, I cant tell you that for black's unless we take the tone of this convo to an x-rated theme, but seeing as how we are discussing facial feature's, I really couldnt tell you what is traditionally associated as a black feature. The only people i can say have a facial feature commonly associated with their race are Asains, and even that isnt always the case. I cant tell you what a traditional white person looks like either, what facial feature's are associated with them? I just dont know.
I dont think anything is wrong with the way any person look's or the race they come from, Im just saying, If you have an internal standard for a race and you meet someone who fits your standard but they are not part of the race that standard has told you they belong to, you will find yourself surprised. Furthermore, if the Devoloper's implemented whatever they felt were commonly associated feature's to a particular race I'd be inclined to believe that would further exascerbate the situation rather then improve it, what they should do is implement a wider variety of facial features ears, eyes, mouth, and nose shapes, skin tones etc. and let the player decide what his/her character look's like. As for companion's, Isabela was perfectly fine to me, rather yummy, i might add, so if they keep making character's like her, or black/hispanic/asian companion's that equal her in awsomeness then I think they are on the right track.
Im not trying to be combative, I just dont agree with you, Im not saying your wrong, I am not saying that I am right either, just sharing my opinion.
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