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Leomerya12 wrote...

OP +1

Also, "dark-skinned" does NOT equal Black.


To be fair, I'm a white Canadian guy, who wants more diverse races, so... :P

I was also very disappointed in the Last Airbender movie, seeing as my dad is married to an asian woman, and I've learned a lot about the culture, etc. 

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Palipride47 wrote...

Leomerya12 wrote...

OP +1

White people hate talking about race. They really do.


A. Not all of "them" do. You don't know anyone's ethnicity on here (as far as I know)
B. Don't turn this into a flame thread. 


Lol I saw that before his edit and was like whoa  :lol:

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Lol, that is why everyone needs needs to join my campaign:  Dessalines as a NPC in Dragon Age 3. :)Image IPB

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I allways figured there are black people on different continents, or maybe even south of the Korcari wilds.

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EJ107 wrote...

I never liked Jacob, but that was solely due to "boring Bioware male lead syndrome" (Which strangely enough doesn't seem to apply to Dragon Age, as Alistair had great personality and Anders was like video game character marmite). Kasumi and Anderson were such strong characters in their own right I never really noticed their ethnicity at all unless it was brought up, and that's the way it should be.

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2. 

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AppealToReason wrote...

Isn't Rivain where "black" people are from? So like Isabella


Isabella is not black....

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ziloe wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

I never liked Jacob, but that was solely due to "boring Bioware male lead syndrome" (Which strangely enough doesn't seem to apply to Dragon Age, as Alistair had great personality and Anders was like video game character marmite). Kasumi and Anderson were such strong characters in their own right I never really noticed their ethnicity at all unless it was brought up, and that's the way it should be.

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2. 


I never said she was- I simply referred to her as "dark-skinned". 

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EJ107 wrote...

I never liked Jacob, but that was solely due to "boring Bioware male lead syndrome" (Which strangely enough doesn't seem to apply to Dragon Age, as Alistair had great personality and Anders was like video game character marmite). Kasumi and Anderson were such strong characters in their own right I never really noticed their ethnicity at all unless it was brought up, and that's the way it should be.

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


+1. No tokens. Just awesome dark skinned people, and no more "canon Hawke" esque prologues. 


ziloe wrote...
Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2.


*sigh*

No. No, they didn't.

Modifié par Palipride47, 22 octobre 2012 - 08:06 .


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Palipride47 wrote...

ziloe wrote...
Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2.


*sigh*

No. No, they didn't.


They did overhaul her look, they just didn't change her skin colour

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Jacob was interesting? 

*Jaw drops to floor*

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Wulfram wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

ziloe wrote...
Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2.


*sigh*

No. No, they didn't.


They did overhaul her look, they just didn't change her skin colour


Edited the bold to show what I was responding to, but yes, that is is. She was ALWAYS supposed to be dark. 

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Palipride47 wrote...


EJ107 wrote...

I never liked Jacob, but that was solely due to "boring Bioware male lead syndrome" (Which strangely enough doesn't seem to apply to Dragon Age, as Alistair had great personality and Anders was like video game character marmite). Kasumi and Anderson were such strong characters in their own right I never really noticed their ethnicity at all unless it was brought up, and that's the way it should be.

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


+1. No tokens. Just awesome dark skinned people, and no more "canon Hawke" esque prologues. 


ziloe wrote...
Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2.


*sigh*

No. No, they didn't.


Oh, right. Sorry, they just made bigger boobs. :P j/ks

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ziloe wrote...
Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2. 


God no, why!??!?

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ziloe wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

I never liked Jacob, but that was solely due to "boring Bioware male lead syndrome" (Which strangely enough doesn't seem to apply to Dragon Age, as Alistair had great personality and Anders was like video game character marmite). Kasumi and Anderson were such strong characters in their own right I never really noticed their ethnicity at all unless it was brought up, and that's the way it should be.

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2. 


Yes, she was brown, not tan, and no, she was not white in DA:O, she was the second to last shade of brown in the CC:

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People need to get over it.  Rivaini people are brown.  Isabela is Rivaini.

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syllogi wrote...

ziloe wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

I never liked Jacob, but that was solely due to "boring Bioware male lead syndrome" (Which strangely enough doesn't seem to apply to Dragon Age, as Alistair had great personality and Anders was like video game character marmite). Kasumi and Anderson were such strong characters in their own right I never really noticed their ethnicity at all unless it was brought up, and that's the way it should be.

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2. 


Yes, she was brown, not tan, and no, she was not white in DA:O, she was the second to last shade of brown in the CC:

Image IPB

People need to get over it.  Rivaini people are brown.  Isabela is Rivaini.


This, is not brown. It's a tan: 

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par ziloe, 22 octobre 2012 - 08:13 .


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The problem with Jacob was that he was Bioware's usual human male party member that you meet before anyone else, which in Mass Effect is usually a free pass to be boring somehow as many see it. His interactions fell flat mostly and his personal issue was just daddy stuff which ME2 was chock-full of and even compared to those it wasn't that interesting. I wouldn't call him a terrible character, but in light of the rest of the crew he was entirely unremarkable. Nothing about him stood out.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 22 octobre 2012 - 08:28 .


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EJ107 wrote...

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


I agree, if they want to do more for human racial diversity for the characters. Make them interesting, strong characters rather than there being a person who just adds racial diversity with nothing interesting to say.

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syllogi wrote...


Yes, she was brown, not tan, and no, she was not white in DA:O, she was the second to last shade of brown in the CC:

 
I'm sure they are aware. 
You couldn't possibly be that ignorant this late in the game.

Karlone123 wrote...

I agree, if they want to do more for human racial diversity for the characters. Make them interesting, strong characters rather than there being a person who just adds racial diversity with nothing interesting to say.


How do you know they wont be?

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ziloe wrote...

syllogi wrote...

ziloe wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

I never liked Jacob, but that was solely due to "boring Bioware male lead syndrome" (Which strangely enough doesn't seem to apply to Dragon Age, as Alistair had great personality and Anders was like video game character marmite). Kasumi and Anderson were such strong characters in their own right I never really noticed their ethnicity at all unless it was brought up, and that's the way it should be.

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2. 


Yes, she was brown, not tan, and no, she was not white in DA:O, she was the second to last shade of brown in the CC:

Image IPB

People need to get over it.  Rivaini people are brown.  Isabela is Rivaini.


This, is not brown. It's a tan: 

www.youtube.com/watch


Who's to say? I have a buddy who is "black" but his skin is on the lighter end and I know girls that tan and are way darker than he is.

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Karlone123 wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


I agree, if they want to do more for human racial diversity for the characters. Make them interesting, strong characters rather than there being a person who just adds racial diversity with nothing interesting to say.


He represented the average guy in Cerberus, trying to fight the good fight but too limited by the bureaucracy and political bs of the Alliance to get anything done. Imo, the whole point of his character was to give insight into the mindset of people working for Cerberus(doesn't really help that this role is marginalized by ME3's treatment of Cerberus) while Miranda can only provide a much more limited and skewed vision of Cerberus(as she's something of a privileged elite agent, and doesn't get to see the gruntwork like Jacob).

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AppealToReason wrote...

ziloe wrote...

syllogi wrote...

ziloe wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

I never liked Jacob, but that was solely due to "boring Bioware male lead syndrome" (Which strangely enough doesn't seem to apply to Dragon Age, as Alistair had great personality and Anders was like video game character marmite). Kasumi and Anderson were such strong characters in their own right I never really noticed their ethnicity at all unless it was brought up, and that's the way it should be.

As for Dragon Age 3, I don't want to see any "African" (Or whatever the Thedas equivalent would be) characters who are only there for the sake of it. I'm fine with dark skinned Rivaini companions like Isabela, and maybe if we meet some characters from countries further north then that would make sense, but it's not something that should just be done for the sake of it.


Isabella wasn't even black though. She just had a tan. And remember, she was originally white in DA:O. They just overhauled her look for DA:2. 


Yes, she was brown, not tan, and no, she was not white in DA:O, she was the second to last shade of brown in the CC:

Image IPB

People need to get over it.  Rivaini people are brown.  Isabela is Rivaini.


This, is not brown. It's a tan: 

www.youtube.com/watch


Who's to say? I have a buddy who is "black" but his skin is on the lighter end and I know girls that tan and are way darker than he is.


Are you familiar with the term, browning? It's the idea in a lot of non cultures, that it's more beautiful to be of a lighter colour, so they use products to lighten up their skin. I'm not saying your friend does it, but people need to be reminded of that old saying, black is beautiful. Especially when in today's western culture, it's being displayed as otherwise. 

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I still find it mental how different she looked in game....

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ziloe wrote...

Are you familiar with the term, browning? It's the idea in a lot of non cultures, that it's more beautiful to be of a lighter colour, so they use products to lighten up their skin. I'm not saying your friend does it, but people need to be reminded of that old saying, black is beautiful. Especially when in today's western culture, it's being displayed as otherwise. 


Now I just know you're trolling. STAHP

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ziloe wrote...

Are you familiar with the term, browning? It's the idea in a lot of non cultures, that it's more beautiful to be of a lighter colour, so they use products to lighten up their skin. I'm not saying your friend does it, but people need to be reminded of that old saying, black is beautiful. Especially when in today's western culture, it's being displayed as otherwise. 


I have no idea what you're talking about, or what your point is.  What is a "non culture"?  Are you just saying that ingame, Isabela in DA:O wasn't "dark" enough?  Because that picture I posted is exactly the color of her skin in the game, the YouTube video just shows that the orangey lighting of the Pearl doesn't really do her justice.

How dark does a character have to be to not be "tan" and to fall into the "brown" category?  And what is your point again?

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Well, this thread is going south really fast.

I would like to see a wider representation of People of Color in the game.