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[Sanunes]

I consider Origin to be almost the same as Steam, just since its newer it has less features. As far as playing offline, I have the exact same issues with Steam that I do with Origin if I haven't set it to offline mode first. I could be remembering wrong, but Valve had problem with Steam during its first couple of years as well and Origin has only been out for less then a year I believe (Mass Effect 3 was my first Origin purchase).

If I was to have my way, I wouldn't have a problem with EA not using Steam, since I believe Valve is equally responsible for the reason they no longer use their service, so if I could buy the game with Origin and be able to play it without Origin running in the background, just like Mass Effect 2 I would be extremely happy. If things haven't changed since I last heard about the EA versus Steam issue, if Valve relents and lets EA sell DLC the way they did for Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age 2 I think EA might reconsider, but until that changes I doubt EA will ever use Steam.

To answer the question about the Mass Effect 2 DLC, you could never buy it via Steam either, you always had to buy it through the BioWare store and download it externally, it was the same for Dragon Age 2 as well, Dragon Age: Origins you could buy through the game itself, but people had problems with the service running properly.

[challenger18]

I have had a few problems with Origin in terms of connectivity problems when trying to play ME3. Well, let me be honest, I don't know if it is the fault of Origin or ME3, but really those two don't work well together. It takes about 5 minutes for me to get into a match when I load up ME3 and all 5 minutes of that time is spent with the game loading, looking for DLC, or logging into EA servers. It takes about 3 minutes from the time I double click on ME3 to the time where I can actually choose to do something on the main menu, then it takes about 1-2 minutes afterwards for me to do something in multiplayer after I pick that option.

If DA3 is only going to work through Origin, can you please make sure BioWare does everything they can to streamline how fast it reads for DLC and can log into the servers? Because waiting 3 to 5 minutes is just way too long a wait.

[Sanunes]

challenger18 wrote...

I have had a few problems with Origin in terms of connectivity problems when trying to play ME3. Well, let me be honest, I don't know if it is the fault of Origin or ME3, but really those two don't work well together. It takes about 5 minutes for me to get into a match when I load up ME3 and all 5 minutes of that time is spent with the game loading, looking for DLC, or logging into EA servers. It takes about 3 minutes from the time I double click on ME3 to the time where I can actually choose to do something on the main menu, then it takes about 1-2 minutes afterwards for me to do something in multiplayer after I pick that option.

If DA3 is only going to work through Origin, can you please make sure BioWare does everything they can to streamline how fast it reads for DLC and can log into the servers? Because waiting 3 to 5 minutes is just way too long a wait.

I definitely understand your pain with the loading, but since it happens even when not playing multiplayer my thinking would be that its part of ME3, but I would hope its nowhere near as bad with any future BioWare title.

[Ahglock]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

The Origin requirement of ME3 was as close to a dealbreaker as anything known before release. I don't want it, I don't need it, it doesn nothing to enhance my gaming experience. I did give in in the end, because, damn, it was ME3. So it was effectively forced upon, which by itself made sure I'm never going to like it. Origin will probably not prevent me from getting DA3 at some point, but it definitely isn't a 'pro' point on the 'pro/con' list...

I don't want to have to use Steam either, btw.

If I couldn't of borrowed my nephews xbox copy I might have caved as well.  Given how disapointed I was with ME3 I am happy I didn't.  I don't care if it is on steam or not, just don't force origin.  As a side note I am not happy with games that force steam either.  

By the way they may be losing money on this.  The numbers for lost sales are hard to guess.  How many more people would have bought the game if it had been on steam is virtually unknowable.  And not just lost sales from people like me who actively avoided origin but just the ridicuous number of people who would have seen it on the store page and might have impulse bought it.   It might be a long haul strategy though where they hope that people eventually open their origin store page as often as people open their steam store page.

Basically assume a 50% take from steam lets say they sold 10 copies on pc at $50 of $500 on origin. If lost sales were 10 and all 20 copies went to steam they would be breaking even.  But lets say lost sales are 10 and 3 of the total sales are on origin, well now they are doing better.($575 vs $500)  OTOH if lost sales are 5 and all 15 would have been on steam they would lose money. 

So how do they calculate how many sales are lost and how many sales that were on origin that would have been on steam?

[craigdolphin]

I didn't buy me3 solely because of the origin requirement. And the same will be true for all bioware games that insist on a mandatory origin client install until such time as we can opt out of data collection by the client.

If Bioware has any interest in my purchasing their games new again, they have the choice to make origin optional, or make the eula/tos more respectful of customer privacy and ensuring my enduring right to play what I have paid for.

And to be clear, i find steam just as distasteful. I would rather deal with a first party client like origin than a third party one like steam. But not while the eula and tos undermine basic privacy and reasonable consumer expectations.

And yeah, that likely means I won't be playing DA3. But after DA2 and what I've heard about me3, i can live with that. Or maybe i'll buy it secondhand for console if it turns out to be a return to form. But this is one aspect of things that i will not tolerate. If you give a damn about my business, EA, you still have time to do something about it. I won't be holding my breath though.

[Sanunes]

craigdolphin wrote...

I didn't buy me3 solely because of the origin requirement. And the same will be true for all bioware games that insist on a mandatory origin client install until such time as we can opt out of data collection by the client.

If Bioware has any interest in my purchasing their games new again, they have the choice to make origin optional, or make the eula/tos more respectful of customer privacy and ensuring my enduring right to play what I have paid for.

And to be clear, i find steam just as distasteful. I would rather deal with a first party client like origin than a third party one like steam. But not while the eula and tos undermine basic privacy and reasonable consumer expectations.

And yeah, that likely means I won't be playing DA3. But after DA2 and what I've heard about me3, i can live with that. Or maybe i'll buy it secondhand for console if it turns out to be a return to form. But this is one aspect of things that i will not tolerate. If you give a damn about my business, EA, you still have time to do something about it. I won't be holding my breath though.

We can opt out now, at least part of it here is the quote from the Origin FAQ. I am not sure if this is the data collection that bothered you or if it was something else.  The only catch is they are enabled by default.

Can I opt out of data collection through Origin?

You can opt out of sharing hardware specifications and crash reports at any time. Sharing of system interaction data can be limited and made anonymous, but not completely disabled. All data sharing preferences can be controlled through your Origin Settings.

Are any other types of data collected through Origin?

There are two types of information that are always collected through Origin.

The first type is system interaction data essential to the continued operation of Origin. This includes anonymous information about crash occurrences, game launch successes/failures, information about download sessions, and other functional details. MAC and IP addresses are collected as well, but are obfuscated or hashed to protect your anonymity.

The second type of collected data is information that you give to Origin directly. This includes Origin preferences, online feature usage (chat, cloud storage, etc.), purchase information, and account information. This type of data is used only to allow specific services to work. Origin cannot, for example, process a video game purchase without first collecting and verifying your personal information.

Edit: Fixed quotes.

Modifié par Sanunes, 23 octobre 2012 - 05:14 .

[Maverick827]

I've never had a problem with Origin. It's probably your fault.

[Aleya]

I have an excellent solution for this: buy the game so Bioware gets the money they deserve and then play a pirated copy. Or just download a crack for your official version. Either way you cut out the need for Origins and Steam entirely. Of course this means you can't play MP, but if you're like me and like single-player RPGs specifically for the lack of other gamers screaming at you that you're doing something wrong, that shouldn't be a problem.

[Andrew5]

If this game does good AND is on Steam, I might purchase it. However if it's crappy OR on origin then I might acquire it by other means. Not settling for their crap after DA2 and ME3.

[Perlicka]

Maverick827 wrote...
I've never had a problem with Origin. It's probably your fault.

Direwolf0294 wrote...
Origin's not that bad. My main issue would be the price of games on it but other than that it works fine. I think people only hate it because it's EA.

So.. you think that its allright if you pay for games and dlc and you are not able to play (with dlc) or  load your saved games because origin crashed and not working (very often) or your internet is not working (happend once) and it can't verify your dlc every minute ( I'm talking about SP, SP!)  ?
+ waiting time to be able to load game or go into MP is not acceptable

I didn't liked idea of origin requirements for ME3, but I wanted that game, so i bought it, but if DA3 won't be able to run without it,  I'm not going to make that mistake again

Modifié par Perlicka, 23 octobre 2012 - 08:48 .

[AlexJK]

Perlicka wrote...

So.. you think that its allright if you pay for games and dlc and you are not able to play (with dlc) or  load your saved games because origin crashed and not working (very often) or your internet is not working (happend once) and it can't verify your dlc every minute ( I'm talking about SP, SP!)  ?

None of that is acceptable BUT most people don't experience the symptoms you're describing. I've never had a problem launching an Origin game.

There's definitely work to be done on Origin in terms of stability and sensible application of DRM for the main game and any installed DLC, but it's hardly the evil spawn of the devil that many people make it out to be.

Does anyone actaully remember the early days of Steam?

Modifié par AlexJK, 23 octobre 2012 - 09:26 .

[Fawx9]

AlexJK wrote...

Perlicka wrote...

So.. you think that its allright if you pay for games and dlc and you are not able to play (with dlc) or  load your saved games because origin crashed and not working (very often) or your internet is not working (happend once) and it can't verify your dlc every minute ( I'm talking about SP, SP!)  ?

None of that is acceptable BUT most people don't experience the symptoms you're describing. I've never had a problem launching an Origin game.

There's definitely work to be done on Origin in terms of stability and sensible application of DRM for the main game and any installed DLC, but it's hardly the evil spawn of the devil that many people make it out to be.

Does anyone actaully remember the early days of Steam?

Considering that Origin, and therefore ME3, was down for about 1-3 hours yesterday it's not only specific users that are having problems with this stupid beta service.

[Pcmag1]

Yeah I am afraid that Origin is dealbreaker for me as well. Here is the thing. I want to play a game. I see no technological justification of installing a spyware on my computer. (Spyware is a type of malware (malicious software) installed on computers that collects information about users without their knowledge.)
EULA:Origin's End-user license agreement (EULA) gives EA permission to collect information about users' computers regardless of its relation to the Origin program itself, including "application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware."

I understand they don't want to put it on steam , fine don't. But come ON why does the retail version has to be Origin bound.

If the game does not offer consumer a legitimate way to install it without installing extra piece of unwanted software. I will not purchase it. SWTOR could do it and ME3 not??? come on. (This was actually quite sad I had the N7 edition preordered and I had to cancel. )

[Robhuzz]

This is EA, of course origin will be required. Today an article said EA games on the new WII U will even require origin. They will leave no opportunity untouched to push origin down our throats.

For what it's worth, I'm sure you can manage to get origin to work for a few minutes to install the game and add a crack so you can at least play without it from that moment forth. Might have some trouble with DLC but I'm sure there's a fix for that as well.

[FlamingBoy]

Origin is a disgrace

[eyesofastorm]

I don't know if it matters, but I'll add my voice to the chorus. Origin is the deal breaker of all deal breakers for me. Even if everything else about the next installment of DA was perfect (and that's already not the case, but nothing has broken the deal yet), I won't purchase and play it if Origin is a requirement. Don't know if there is a point to providing veracity to the claim, but prior to it's release ME3 was probably one of my most anticipated games ever. I still haven't played it and Origin is the sole reason. So maybe the number is small, but you are definitely losing sales solely because of the Origin requirement.

[wolfsite]

The only thing I really dislike right now is how it has to constantly verify the DLC every time I start the game.

A one time check should be sufficient to check if the DLC was legally aquired and frankly would make everything much easier on the consumer.

[Sanunes]

eyesofastorm wrote...

I don't know if it matters, but I'll add my voice to the chorus. Origin is the deal breaker of all deal breakers for me. Even if everything else about the next installment of DA was perfect (and that's already not the case, but nothing has broken the deal yet), I won't purchase and play it if Origin is a requirement. Don't know if there is a point to providing veracity to the claim, but prior to it's release ME3 was probably one of my most anticipated games ever. I still haven't played it and Origin is the sole reason. So maybe the number is small, but you are definitely losing sales solely because of the Origin requirement.

Just out of curiosity, if it changed back to Steam would you buy the game if it required Steam to play?  If so what is the difference between the two companies that makes you trust Valve more then EA?

[eyesofastorm]

Sanunes wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

I don't know if it matters, but I'll add my voice to the chorus. Origin is the deal breaker of all deal breakers for me. Even if everything else about the next installment of DA was perfect (and that's already not the case, but nothing has broken the deal yet), I won't purchase and play it if Origin is a requirement. Don't know if there is a point to providing veracity to the claim, but prior to it's release ME3 was probably one of my most anticipated games ever. I still haven't played it and Origin is the sole reason. So maybe the number is small, but you are definitely losing sales solely because of the Origin requirement.

Just out of curiosity, if it changed back to Steam would you buy the game if it required Steam to play?  If so what is the difference between the two companies that makes you trust Valve more then EA?

What it all boils down to is that Steam earned its way onto my machine with value and goodwill.  EA is trying to strongarm it's inferior and useless (to me) software onto my machine.  I resent that.  I am a paying customer and one that will pay full day one price for your product if I deem it worthy.  You can have my money in exchange for your product and nothing more.  

[clanogrady]

The issues I have with Steam and Origins is that first, I do not want to have to deal with the clients in order to play my games. Second, It was a real turn off that the Disc that I bought wouldn't install the game without the client. Now if it were DD i would concede to having the client as part of it but not if I bought the physical disc. If they are going to force the client onto me, then they should not allow for physical products to be sold at retailers. 3rd, I would be embarrassed to actually find out how long I have played any game in particular.

[Sanunes]

eyesofastorm wrote...

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What it all boils down to is that Steam earned its way onto my machine with value and goodwill.  EA is trying to strongarm it's inferior and useless (to me) software onto my machine.  I resent that.  I am a paying customer and one that will pay full day one price for your product if I deem it worthy.  You can have my money in exchange for your product and nothing more.  

I guess it boils down to first impressions, for I was forced to have Steam when it was brand new because it was required for Half-Life 2 and even if you bought it at the store it was still required, just like Origin is with Mass Effect 3.  So I feel the same way with both companies, but if you started using it when it wasn't mandatory I can see why you prefer one over the other. I just have a different experience so I interchange both companies for they made their software mandatory because I was looking forward to one of their products.

Modifié par Sanunes, 23 octobre 2012 - 05:45 .

[craigdolphin]

Sanunes wrote...
We can opt out now, at least part of it here is the quote from the Origin FAQ. I am not sure if this is the data collection that bothered you or if it was something else.  The only catch is they are enabled by default.

thanks for taking the time to reply I wish that was indeed the case.

Unfortunately, the EULA gives them a lot more latitude as others have noted:
 http://www.rockpaper...-more-sinister/

they can say what they like in the faq, but until the eula matches it doesn't mean anything. As far as I am aware, you cannot opt out of sharing information discussed in section 2 of the current EULA.

[mad825]

craigdolphin wrote...
Unfortunately, the EULA gives them a lot more latitude as others have noted:
 http://www.rockpaper...-more-sinister/

they can say what they like in the faq, but until the eula matches it doesn't mean anything. As far as I am aware, you cannot opt out of sharing information discussed in section 2 of the current EULA.

All it's only a legal statement and nothing more. It does not suggest they they will or will not enforce those actions. Even so, its not Origin you should be worrying about as Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook disregard many privacy laws in attempts to 'gather information'.

Even then, there's no guarantee that they won't do it even if it wasn't on the EULA without your consent/notification; that by definition is spyware.

[Mr_Steph]

Keep dreaming

[AlanC9]

Relax, guys.... in four or five years games will only come via streaming anyway.