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[EchoTango]

I'm a little past the joining now, but I still look back and think about how heartless it was to slaughter Jory.  I mean c'mon, the guy had a pregnant wife back home.  You don't kill an unborn child's father just because he didn't want to drink some evil blood, which you didn't even tell him about before he agreed to sign up.  Why was there "no turning back", simply because they said so? Now who is supposed to provide for his wife and child?  Good job jackass, you probably just caused another criminal.

Major weak point to me.  And I'm glad that Duncan died, cause I really don't know if I could've played through having him as what I guess would have been my mentor or what have you. 

Anyone know if it was supposed to be the "good" or "proper" thing to do and the reasoning behind it?  Did the blood eventually turn Duncan insane?  I can't figure it out.

Rest in peace Duncan, you insane-slaughterer-of-chubby-innocent-men.

[Taleroth]

We've had threads on this prior. It will potentially go on for a dozen pages as people try to justify Grey Warden secrets and I argue against them all, virtually by myself, about why that's absolutely stupid.

I think I'll sit out of the debating, but I do agree it was not something he should have done.

Modifié par Taleroth, 31 décembre 2009 - 04:46 .

[EchoTango]

I see I've stumbled into well-tread ground. Sorry, I had no idea but had to post this.



Mmm, if Duncan were an admin, would he now kill my username?

[menasure]

EchoTango wrote...

I'm a little past the joining now, but I still look back and think about how heartless it was to slaughter Jory.  I mean c'mon, the guy had a pregnant wife back home.  You don't kill an unborn child's father just because he didn't want to drink some evil blood, which you didn't even tell him about before he agreed to sign up.  Why was there "no turning back", simply because they said so? Now who is supposed to provide for his wife and child?  Good job jackass, you probably just caused another criminal.

Major weak point to me.  And I'm glad that Duncan died, cause I really don't know if I could've played through having him as what I guess would have been my mentor or what have you. 

Anyone know if it was supposed to be the "good" or "proper" thing to do and the reasoning behind it?  Did the blood eventually turn Duncan insane?  I can't figure it out.

Rest in peace Duncan, you insane-slaughterer-of-chubby-innocent-men.

it is wartime and basically Ser Jory is deserting from his supposed duty even when he is a conscript. as for the grey wardens: no they are not the white wardens:P and in any character you face in this game you will find a shade of grey because this is not the standard black and white characterization. Duncan has bigger flaws than killing Ser Jory but you will find that out when you see the big picture after you played through the whole game.

Modifié par menasure, 31 décembre 2009 - 04:50 .

[Ronin 3000]

the guy knew the risks when he asked to join. and then he pulls out his sword on duncan?!
my 2nd playthrough i made jory naked so that he wouldnt have a sword to pull on duncan, but he somehow gets one in the cutscene anyhow.

Modifié par Ronin 3000, 31 décembre 2009 - 04:50 .

[Kohaku]

Lets hope not. Tale is right though. Some topics draw bad blood and open wounds. The wounds that were cut by the arch demon and then salted with sea salt.

[Squiggles1334]

I laughed at Jory.

[Ecael]

You are called upon to submit yourself to the taint for the greater good.

[Taleroth]

Ecael wrote...

You are called upon to submit yourself to the taint for the greater good.

You are now called upon to bleed upon the stones for ****-if-I-know, but I'm sure it has to also be the greater good, somehow.

[ReubenLiew]

What, you're telling me you don't want a psychopathic murderer as your mentor?



Pfah, pansies.

[Darthvegeta8000]

Yeah it caught me of guard too. Though it did annoy me that throughout the game it's treated as 'good'. The Grey Wardens are 'Good'. Given such methods... I wouldn't quite put it like that.
As for duty... well... dunno. To the GW? Perhaps but to me it came across as a guy recruiting soldiers for the greater good and revealing that they'd get to pull straws for deciding who DOES NOT get to be a suicide bomber the next day.
The kill was perhaps 'necessary', the action MIGHT have been. But still... i found it odd... all too odd.

Modifié par Darthvegeta8000, 31 décembre 2009 - 05:03 .

[Squiggles1334]

Duncan was not a psychopathic murderer, he was just a dirty hobo on a mission with a pair of swords.

[ReubenLiew]

I still don't see your distinction.

[Taleroth]

Squiggles1334 wrote...

Duncan was not a psychopathic murderer, he was just a dirty hobo on a mission with a pair of swords.

Don't worry, he's not a stabbing hobo.  He's a singing hobo!

*gets out banjo*

Nothing beats the Hobo life,
       Stabbin' folks with my hobo knife.

Modifié par Taleroth, 31 décembre 2009 - 05:06 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Jory swung first. End of story.

[menasure]

ReubenLiew wrote...

What, you're telling me you don't want a psychopathic murderer as your mentor?

Pfah, pansies.

yup, nothing better than an expert killer to learn the art yourself. i wonder how hippies would handle darkspawn: blow them away with a peace pipe?
at least he was given a merciful death instead of the prospect being eaten alive by the darkspawn or slowly going mental because of the taint and the grieving widow will probably get a nice story about how brave Ser Jory fell in line of duty while nobody will know your fate if your party ends up dead performing their mission a few miles under the ground for example.

[ReubenLiew]

It's true, glory only counts if other people remember it. Glory is pointless to the dead.

[MyKingdomCold]

I'm not sure about Jory. He seems to have psychiatric problems.



In the dialogue when you first return with the vials of blood and treaties, you can ask if the ritual can kill you. Duncan says yes. Daveth says something like, "let's get on with it then". Jory agrees.



When you show up at the ritual site, Jory is "blubbering" again.



So in less than 5 minutes he goes from "let's get it done" to "I don't know about this"?



Oh, and I liked asking him about how he abandoned his pregnant wife.

[Squiggles1334]

My biggest beef with Duncan is that he needs to shave, otherwise I was cool with him skewering Jory.

[ReubenLiew]

He wanted to return to his waifu after battling darkspawn.

Apparently he wasn't listening when they said becoming a Grey Warden was a one way trip.

[Taleroth]

ReubenLiew wrote...

It's true, glory only counts if other people remember it. Glory is pointless to the dead.

Glory only counts if you're alive to take advantage of.  It truly is pointless to the dead.

[Tirigon]

Duncan should not have killed Jory. Period.

But then, Duncan did many things that weren´t good, just as the Grey Wardens. Ser whatever in the human origin tells they even slaughter whole villages if they consider it necessary. That´s why I have no problem with being a Grey Warden and a Bloodmage who slays every douchebag she meets at the same time.

[EchoTango]

I think Jory drew his weapon cause he was panicking. I dont think he would have used it.

[ReubenLiew]

And yet he did.

He did not only draw first, he swung first.

[Zecele]

And yet he did.

He did not only draw first, he swung first.

Well to be fair Duncan was closing in on him with the cup extended as if he was going to force him to drink it. He'd just seen that kill a man.

you didn't even tell him about before he agreed to sign up.

If you ask Duncan about killing Jory he does say that he told Jory he would be placed in life threatening situations and that he would have to leave his family behind.  So the question is whether you believe Duncan about the fact that he told Jory.

Since Duncan was VERY explicit with all my player characters about what would happen if I agreed to join the Grey Wardens I can only assume that he was very explicit with Jory and Daveth as well.

Modifié par Zecele, 31 décembre 2009 - 05:34 .