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[Maclimes]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

Do we know why some people survive the Joining, and others die? It's possible that some level of passion or drive or willpower is what allows a person to survive the Joining. If that's true, it's safe to say that any Tranquil who took the Joining would simply die, like so many others.

No, willpower they've got. According to the Codex it is literally impossible to distract them.

Edit: On the other hand, if it's passion the taint wants they're screwed.

Yes... The taint seeks your passion. 

[planeswalker85]

OrientalisDraco wrote...

planeswalker85 wrote...

Well, i've only played the DA games and not read the books but this thread raises a point i read in another forum thread namely about Ser Alrik. Its heavily alluded via ingame conversation in DA2 that he will happily abuse tranquil mages and get away with it as they don't fight back.

This ties in with others posters questions about their actual self-preservation and whether they are able to fight back properly. Now i see alot of posters have read the book Asunder that i haven't and quote alot from it but do tranquil really have 'free will' and are able to say 'No' to any commands? Thing is from past experience, Game lore and Novel Lore tend to be different and may even contradict each other at times.

Yes, the Tranquil can find the orders they are given objectable.  Gaider himself has said, 'If the Tranquil saw a reason not to follow an order, they would do so.'

If you would like to read the thread (it's rather long, but you only need to read about the first half of the page) where Gaider explained about the Tranquil and their free will, you may do so [here].

Despite what some people may feel, the lore of Asunder and the games concerning the Tranquil are not contradicting.  You have to keep in mind that everything said or written in DA is told from someone's point of view; it's why the codex entries include a note of who wrote the excerpt being quoted in the entries.  People like Anders and Adrian are going to have very different, and perhaps very biased, views of the Rite of Tranquility, who the Tranquil are, and what the Tranquil represent to mages.  Of course, the templars and the Chantry are going to have their own opinions concerning the issue.  Tranquil who chose to undergo the Rite willing are also going to have different views about their own existances, such as the Tranquil who created this amulet or the Tranquil elven woman from Asunder.

Right i see, so the only reason why the templars are able to do so is just boils down to the fact that they are soldiers/trained people who are used to physical fighting whereas most mages are weaklings and cannot match the templars physically (or in numbers) ? As in the templars can just use threat of force to get the tranquil to do something even if they don't want to.

[arcaneidolriots]

planeswalker85 wrote...

Right i see, so the only reason why the templars are able to do so is just boils down to the fact that they are soldiers/trained people who are used to physical fighting whereas most mages are weaklings and cannot match the templars physically (or in numbers) ? As in the templars can just use threat of force to get the tranquil to do something even if they don't want to.

I would say it has more to do with the simple fact that the templars are generally the ones in the position of power.  They don't necessarily need to physical threaten mages or Tranquils to get them to do what the templars want; blackmail can also be very powerful.  And it's very hard to fight someone who has the upper hand most of the time.

The Tranquil don't usually disobey an authoritative figure.  If a templar was threatening a Tranquil, the Tranquil would most likely submit and do what the templar says, even if the Tranquil disagrees with the templar.  To continue disobeying the templar might antagonize him further to where he might carry out his threat, and the Tranquil aren't naturally going to put themselves in a situation where they could be harmed.

[Josielyn]

Ok, I am going to have to read Asunder again and also play DAO again to talk to the Tranquil at the Wonders of Thedas. Too bad the conversations with Tranquils are so short!