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[Fast Jimmy]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

You can just customize that stuff in the character creator and roleplay it.

Hard to roleplay a Chisend Barbarian as a human Noble or Hedge Mage as Circle mage just saying.

Hard, yes...

...but impossible?!!!




...also yes.

[challenger18]

Where you are from has not effected what you can look like thus far in the series (and was way better done in DA2 in concerns of your family looking like they really were your family). Really the only limitations we have seen thus far in concerns to facial structure is when you're creating another race besides human, but again, that had nothing to do with where you were from.

I've gotten the impression that Thedas has or has the potential to be a very diverse place where no one country has a set look to them. I really would not want BioWare to start trying to define a set look for any given country now.

Modifié par challenger18, 24 octobre 2012 - 12:29 .

[Shadow Fox]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

You can just customize that stuff in the character creator and roleplay it.

Hard to roleplay a Chisend Barbarian as a human Noble or Hedge Mage as Circle mage just saying.

Hard, yes...

...but impossible?!!!




...also yes.

See this one knows.


...Sophia Dryden approves: +<3100

[Fast Jimmy]

challenger18 wrote...

I've gotten the impression that Thedas has or has the potential to be a very diverse place where no one country has a set look to them. I really would not want BioWare to start trying to define a set look for any given country now.

I'll believe that when any country in Thedas has a human with anything other than a caucasian appearance.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 24 octobre 2012 - 12:37 .

[challenger18]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

I've gotten the impression that Thedas has or has the potential to be a very diverse place where no one country has a set look to them. I really would not want BioWare to start trying to define a set look for any given country now.

I'll believe that when any country in Thedas has a human with anything other than a caucasian appearance.

I am really hoping the FB2 engine allows them to do just that.

[Maria Caliban]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'll believe that when any country in Thedas has a human with anything other than a caucasian appearance.

Isabela did not look Caucasian to me.

[Fast Jimmy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'll believe that when any country in Thedas has a human with anything other than a caucasian appearance.

Isabela did not look Caucasian to me.

Rivain is mirrored off of Italy, if memory serves me correctly. She certainly didn't appear African, Latin American or Oriental. Possibly Middle Eastern, I suppose, but her mannerisms and focus on naval power puts her more in line with Italian or Greek ethnicity. Which are still considered Caucasian.

[upsettingshorts]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Rivain is mirrored off of Italy, if memory serves me correctly. She certainly didn't appear African, Latin American or Oriental. Possibly Middle Eastern, I suppose, but her mannerisms and focus on naval power puts her more in line with Italian or Greek ethnicity. Which are still considered Caucasian.

Mannerisms.

Naval Power.

CAUCASIAN!

[Rinji the Bearded]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Rivain is mirrored off of Italy, if memory serves me correctly. She certainly didn't appear African, Latin American or Oriental. Possibly Middle Eastern, I suppose, but her mannerisms and focus on naval power puts her more in line with Italian or Greek ethnicity. Which are still considered Caucasian.

... you can't be serious.

[Fast Jimmy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Rivain is mirrored off of Italy, if memory serves me correctly. She certainly didn't appear African, Latin American or Oriental. Possibly Middle Eastern, I suppose, but her mannerisms and focus on naval power puts her more in line with Italian or Greek ethnicity. Which are still considered Caucasian.

Mannerisms.

Naval Power.

CAUCASIAN!

<sigh> I suppose those comments could have been taken as stereotypical or racist. If so, I apologize.

Here's what the Dragon Age Wiki (far from a Mouth of God piece of evidence, but better than my off-hand musings) has to say about the Rivani people:

Rivain is loosely based off of Spain in that Spain was the point of entry for the Moors to enter Europe, and its culture was changed a great deal by the Moorish presence.

Also the people of Rivain bear similarities with the real world nations of Italy, Lebanon, Greece and Israel. Their religion, which is centered around Seers, has similarities with voodoo. Also, in Rivain piercings show social status, just like some African tribes.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 24 octobre 2012 - 01:10 .

[TheJediSaint]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'll believe that when any country in Thedas has a human with anything other than a caucasian appearance.

Isabela did not look Caucasian to me.

I smokin' hot not a racial type?

[Shadow Fox]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'll believe that when any country in Thedas has a human with anything other than a caucasian appearance.

Isabela did not look Caucasian to me.

I smokin' hot not a racial type?

I thought she was fugly myself.

[Heimdall]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Rivain is mirrored off of Italy, if memory serves me correctly. She certainly didn't appear African, Latin American or Oriental. Possibly Middle Eastern, I suppose, but her mannerisms and focus on naval power puts her more in line with Italian or Greek ethnicity. Which are still considered Caucasian.

Mannerisms.

Naval Power.

CAUCASIAN!

<sigh> I suppose those comments could have been taken as stereotypical or racist. If so, I apologize.

Here's what the Dragon Age Wiki (far from a Mouth of God piece of evidence, but better than my off-hand musings) has to say about the Rivani people:

Rivain is loosely based off of Spain in that Spain was the point of entry for the Moors to enter Europe, and its culture was changed a great deal by the Moorish presence.

Also the people of Rivain bear similarities with the real world nations of Italy, Lebanon, Greece and Israel. Their religion, which is centered around Seers, has similarities with voodoo. Also, in Rivain piercings show social status, just like some African tribes.

Since Thedas as a whole seems full of Europe analogs, I'd bet on them being mediterranean caucasians.  Isabela's facial structure certainly struck me as such.

[Raikas]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'll believe that when any country in Thedas has a human with anything other than a caucasian appearance.

Isabela did not look Caucasian to me.

She didn't look white, but I think it's fair for people to see her - and Duncan for that matter - as Caucasian (in the same way that  South and West Asians are Caucasian, not because of some weird stereotype about who has naval power, of course).

Modifié par Hervoyl, 24 octobre 2012 - 01:22 .

[syllogi]

So wait, people who unironically say "I don't see color" -- are they *literally* unable to see brown/black people's skin, especially if they are in works of fiction??? Because things would make so much sense if it were some kind of unfortunate condition.

[hoorayforicecream]

I don't think this particular line of discussion can go anywhere good. Why don't we just let it drop and think about more productive topics? Here's one - has anyone got any examples of character creators that allow us to make good-looking characters with ethnic features?

[Shadow Fox]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I don't think this particular line of discussion can go anywhere good. Why don't we just let it drop and think about more productive topics? Here's one - has anyone got any examples of character creators that allow us to make good-looking characters with ethnic features?

Dragon's Dogma can make good Asian characters.

And SkyrimB)

[Raikas]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
 Here's one - has anyone got any examples of character creators that allow us to make good-looking characters with ethnic features?

What kind of ethnic features?  Even the old default DA character creator allows you to make characters with a reasonable variety of features and skin tones, so it all depends on how you define "good-looking" and what specific "ethnic" look you're going for, no?

ETA:  That said, Dragon's Dogma did have one of (if not the) most flexible character creators I've personally used.

Modifié par Hervoyl, 24 octobre 2012 - 01:33 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Hervoyl wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
 Here's one - has anyone got any examples of character creators that allow us to make good-looking characters with ethnic features?

What kind of ethnic features?  Even the old default character creator allows you to make characters with a reasonable variety of features and skin tones, so it all depends on how you define "good-looking" and what specific "ethnic" look you're going for, no?

Hmmmm. That's a valid point. 

Maybe the challenge should be "can the character creator generate five actors/actresses/models/celebrities from, say, a dozen different regions/cultures of the planet? Not with 100% realism, of course, but enough to identify them?

This may be a bad metric, I'm not sure.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 24 octobre 2012 - 01:34 .

[The Hierophant]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I don't think this particular line of discussion can go anywhere good. Why don't we just let it drop and think about more productive topics? Here's one - has anyone got any examples of character creators that allow us to make good-looking characters with ethnic features?

The Saints Row series, Dragon's Dogma, Eve Online, Mass Effect series(especially with mods).

Modifié par The Hierophant, 24 octobre 2012 - 01:37 .

[hoorayforicecream]

I haven't played several of these games. Does anyone have any screenshots of people of color that have been created with said character creators?

[The Hierophant]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I haven't played several of these games. Does anyone have any screenshots of people of color that have been created with said character creators?

I'll make a screeshot of mines in DD, and post it.

[challenger18]

Hervoyl wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'll believe that when any country in Thedas has a human with anything other than a caucasian appearance.

Isabela did not look Caucasian to me.

She didn't look white, but I think it's fair for people to see her - and Duncan for that matter - as Caucasian (in the same way that  South and West Asians are Caucasian, not because of some weird stereotype about who has naval power, of course).

Okay, people can think Isabela looks white (Caucasian or otherwise), but they would be wrong. Duncan, if I recall from the books is half Rivaini.  DG has stated that Rivaini people have a dark tan to ebony skin tone. 

[Fast Jimmy]

challenger18 wrote...

Hervoyl wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'll believe that when any country in Thedas has a human with anything other than a caucasian appearance.

Isabela did not look Caucasian to me.

She didn't look white, but I think it's fair for people to see her - and Duncan for that matter - as Caucasian (in the same way that  South and West Asians are Caucasian, not because of some weird stereotype about who has naval power, of course).

Okay, people can think Isabela looks white (Caucasian or otherwise), but they would be wrong. Duncan, if I recall from the books is half Rivaini.  DG has stated that Rivaini people have a dark tan to ebony skin tone. 

I did not say Isabella looked white (well, in DA:O she did... but not in DA2). White and caucasian are not interchangeable.

http://en.wikipedia..../Caucasian_race

The term Caucasian race (also Caucasoid, Europid, or Europoid) has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia. Historically, the term has been used to describe many peoples from these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 24 octobre 2012 - 02:51 .