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[sagefic]

 okay, so I've thought about the dark ritual and a couple of questions kept coming to mind:
* does it have to be morrigan? now, clearly in this game, it does - but what about next blight? we've established that a grey warden must be involved, but why morrigan, exactly - other than that she knows how to work the spells involved. but conceivably, this *could* work with someone else

*  isn't it odd that a grey warden - who normally would have trouble making babies, suddenly - but seemingly on this night only - can impregnate morrigan FOR SURE. granted, maybe morrigan just knows it's HER time of the month, but somehow she's sure this will work for the grey warden also. that's odd. - unless she knows something she's not saying

* and lastly - this ritual actually works. at least, it does one half of the bargain - keeps everyone alive. i presume that's good evidence that the other half of it - the god baby part - will also work.

So I'm thinking - and here's where i'm speculating, but go with me here -

It seems that at some precise moment before the archdemon goes on a rampage, a grey warden is able to have a child. Coincidence? i don't think so. i think morrigan KNOWS that somehow this will work - and only for a short window of time. so it seems to me that this has something to do with the tainted blood. somehow as the archdemon rises above ground, the grey warden is able to be fertile, if temporarily

so it's quite possible that if someone else knew the binding ritual at the moment of the final blow, someone else could do the same in the next blight. in fact, it made me wonder if perhaps something about the archdemon rising might make grey wardens capable of having children at that time only. maybe morrigan is on to the fact that grey wardens are actually able not just to slay arch demons but redeem them - but they are unaware of it.

which makes me think that in a sequel, that would be a pretty fascinating way for the grey wardens to try and deal with future blights. they might be able to have children with people other than witches - or perhaps with one another? and that would provide an excellent check for morrigan's god child.

well, that's my thought anyhow, might be TOTALLY wild speculation, but i think that would be a freakin' awesome way to end a future blight: you the grey warden making a baby that your order will raise to be a warrior for the grey wardens? could be nifty.

edit: oh, and p.s. - think of the romance options/complications THERE:O

Modifié par sagequeen, 31 décembre 2009 - 06:18 .

[illerianna]

It's pretty clear that the ritual was blood magic. I assume it's something like forced fertilization.

Could
another Grey Warden/Mage/PC do the ritual? Absolutely, if you knew how.
But, this is Morrigan we're talking about. SHE wants the baby. She's
not doing the ritual so you can live, she's doing it so she can have a
god baby. If you could somehow (which I REALLY doubt you could) get her
to spill the beans on how this ritual works, you could probably do it
yourself.

It's magic. The way anything can be explained. AFAIK,
it has nothing to do with some weird taint induced eve-of-rampage
quirk. It's a ritual. It's what Morrigan (and Flemeth) intended all
along. No Warden could do this without Morrigan's knowledge of the
ritual.

As far as the small window of time is concerned,
remember that a Warden dies because of the Archdemon when the two souls
- Warden and Old God - try to inhabit the same body, both are
destroyed. The way to baby works is that at such an early stage of
development, the zygote wouldn't have a soul just yet, so the Archdemon
could inhabit it without destroying it. For the purification bit, I
have no earthly idea. :/ Morrigan is reluctant to tell you anything
more, so it's only speculation. The only thing she DOES tell you is
that the Archdemon will inhabit the zygote/baby instead of you, she
will have the kid, you'll never see her or it again, and you'll be the
hero of Fereldan along with being the first Warden not to die slaying
the Archdemon.

Or it may have nothing to do with the development stage, I dunno. Like I said, Morrigan was pretty vague.

[Taleroth]

Am I the only one who saw the thread title and thought "Let's do the Time Warp again?"

[AsheraII]

The Dark Ritual serves only to temporarily suppress the taint, thus increasing the Grey Wardens' fertility while the ritual is active. That's *all* Morrigan needs. Nothing special about doing it the night before the final battle, though she will want it done as close as possible before the battle.

[Auldrek]

I'm wondering if you can get Alistair to sleep with Morrigan and then kill the Archdemon yourself thus sacrificing yourself and leaving a bastard heir to the throne. It is a totally insane thing to do!! Anyone do it?

[illerianna]

Auldrek wrote...

I'm wondering if you can get Alistair to sleep with Morrigan and then kill the Archdemon yourself thus sacrificing yourself and leaving a bastard heir to the throne. It is a totally insane thing to do!! Anyone do it?

If you mean creating a baby AND dying by the soul-fuse the Archdemon causes, no. You do the ritual, or die. Can't do both.

[ReubenLiew]

Oh I agree. We should do the Ritual again, just to make sure.

And again. And again. And again... and again... *drooool*

[ShadowAldrius]

A wizard did it.



Morrigan's sudden high fertility, the old god's soul being purified, all results of the ritual's magic at work.



And I highly doubt the ritual is blood magic. It doesn't strike me as such.

[Taleroth]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Oh I agree. We should do the Ritual again, just to make sure.
And again. And again. And again... and again... *drooool*

If you insist.  But be gentle with me.

[ReubenLiew]

Take me you brutish excuse for a bear-man-pig!

[just.a.dude]

The phlebotonum made sure everything worked out the way it should.

[Lotion Soronarr]

What interests me is exactly how Flemeth knows all this stuff.

[just.a.dude]

She is Flemeth. The most likely reason Morrigan leaves right after the battle is because she is on the run from Flemeth. I know you can kill her, but come on, its Flemeth. She most likely staged the whole thing and will one day soon come knocking on Morrigans door, seeking the child.

[MyKingdomCold]

Morrigan even says that. If you talk to her after you kill Flemeth, she says that Flemeth will return in another form.

[Klickklack]

The question is, would other Grey Wardens WANT to create a bunch of "god childs"?

[just.a.dude]

That is the great thing about an rpg. Aside from building your character you get to build your story. Dragon age really lets you do this too. I took dark promise on my mage. As a magic practitioner, my mage had a more accommodating view as well as less fear of such things, regardless of her Grey Warden status.

[Eruanna Guerrein]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Oh I agree. We should do the Ritual again, just to make sure.
And again. And again. And again... and again... *drooool*

Even though you, or whoever does the ritual with her, scoots back away from her in fear? LOL



I know, I know... you just want the sexy strut up to the bed over and over...

[just.a.dude]

I prefer "Tis cold in my tent..."

[StaticSilence]

just.a.dude wrote...

I prefer "Tis cold in my tent..."

I liked having the conversation option... "Just get in my tent, woman!"   And she likes it.

[CRGiles_]

If you have had sex with Morrigan and then you go into the "wonders" store by the warehouse in Denerium, Morrigan (in the background when you go upstairs) says something like...

"what a bunch of lame books....wait....is that a geniune chasind fertility...."

I think she buys that item to help her get pregnant...

(she won't say it if you have not had sex with her yet)

[Quientus]

♪♫ "It's a kind of (►Dark◄) Magic ..." ♫♪

- "You don't know the ►Power◄ of the Dark Side ..."

Modifié par Quientus, 11 janvier 2010 - 08:54 .

[Little Mama]

I to have thought about this and i say like this:



My male character refuses the ritual with Morrigan and sacrfices him self, but in the endings she is pregnant any way (they had an affair)

If he could do it...



So why cant my female chararcter get that with Alistair?

Or if it only can be one tainted, witch Zevran...

And what if she inded is pregnant when she slays the archdemon....

[Eruanna Guerrein]

@ CRGiles

She said it for my female Dalish...

I hadn't put two and two together though... good thinking!

Modifié par Eruanna Guerrein, 11 janvier 2010 - 09:03 .

[Rhinna]

I just found out last night, that it was Flemeth's idea for the ritual - SHE gave Morrigan the information she needs to perform it - when my female elf mage PC had the conversation with her in Redcliff, I somehow wormed that out of her "But this was Flemeth's idea all along you know...that is why she sent me" or something to that effect. And here all along I thought Morrigan had her own agenda! I'll have to see if I can find the conversation in the logs.