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[Asdrubael Vect]

gneisenau556 wrote...

After DA2, I think Bioware is going for the more cinematic JRPG style RPG, so I'm not really surprised we are getting much choices in things.

We already have Fenris, worst anime about Cassandra, an unstopable "magic girl" with steel sword))) and after a while, a new worst anime about ME with James Vega as main antagonist

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 03 janvier 2013 - 11:43 .

[TheDevian]

As someone who avoids playing a human whenever possible, I am more than disappointed, between that and the whole Inquisition thing (I guess the voiced protag is a factor too, too limiting), I won't be buying this game. I don't play fantasy games to play a human. Bring back choice!
Human Nobel was (to me) the single worst Origin in Origins (And the last one I tried). Dad has to die, so this backpack full of bandages and healing potions are just going to rot... dumb dumb dumb. They did that in a few other places too (like the guy for the Return to Ost), but that one always bugged me the most. In a world where magical healing is common (to the point that no one can ever die as long as one of the party members is still alive), then if you want to kill off a character, do it before I have a chance to intervene (have them dead when I get there), having the ability to heal (spell or potion) and not being allowed to do it because you want this guy dead, and yet logic says you should be able to heal them ...if you 'chose' to do it. (It also doesn't really make sense to join the wardens after that either, like you need Duncan's help to go through a tunnel? it's not the deepraods... it's Revenge plot time).
There are dozens of ways to deal with every situation, and you have to plan for that, think outside the box as they say. Options are critical for an RPG. Some railroading in some places is one thing, but make it logical, that's really all I ask. At no point should the player say "Well, why didn't I just do X? It would have been easy, problem solved." There should never be a "But, why didn't we just ride the giant birds to the volcano?" moment, at least not without a logical reason as to why not.

...but it seems like I am in the minority these days if that is truly the most popular Origin... =/
It's the one that makes the least sense to me. (or is it just the most popular because you can get make it with a non-dwarf during it?)

[samgurl775]

Couldn't care less. I would have played as a human anyway.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Human Nobel Origin(really the most worst of all)-for me too, does not make any sense ...for a noble man/woman(Cousland) there was no sense to become a Warden, it looks stupid in this case..

..He might have to go to Denerim, hire mercenaries(or calling help of another nobles) and take his revenge...

..in this origin we have a real choice and the meaning   to not become a warden( and send Duncan back to his stinky deep roads and darkspawns), in contrast to others Origins where we waited for death, prison, execution/ tranquil

Fiacre I played this origin(otherwise I would not be writing about it), but only once(in contrast to others)...play more into it, I could not

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:34 .

[Fiacre]

Um... TheDevian, not being able to heal Bryce with some cheap potions and bandages isn't stupid, it simply shows that not *everything* can be healed that way. The dialogue pretty much tells you that Bryce was so badly injured that there were pieces of him falling off/out, which is nothing anything you had at hand could have really helped with. Maybe magical healing would have -- Eleanor thinks so, but I'm not sure her word on that can be really trusted, she's rather desperate at that point -- but by the time you would have dragged Bryce out of there, you would have left behind some (probably vital) body parts and the majority of his blood -- and that's assuming you even had a chance to get out while carrying a badly injured, dying man with you.

And while I can't speak for others, I like the Origin because it gives me things to work with for my character that I like. Family/Daddy issues, devotion to the kingdom, vengeance, loss of family, a connection to Fereldan politics... Considering that I only very rarely sleep with Dairren/Iona (if I even bother to talk to them), it's certainly not because of that.


And Dark Korsar... did you actually play the Origin? Your PC has absolutely the choice to reject the idea to become a Warden -- when Duncan first brings it up, when talking about him with your mother and Ser Gilmore and several times during the last conversation with Bryce, despite his orders and pleas to accept. The PC can, in fact, even bring up that their duty is to take vengeance. Thing is... if you do, Duncan will conscript you, make you come to Ostagar and have you become a Warden anyway. You can even tell Cailan that you didn't become one by choice when he congratulates you on it, and I know that you can also tell Daveth that you aren't at Ostagar by choice (and Jory as well, I think).

Now, if you want to say that HN's (or any PC's -- some might prefer death over the Wardens for whatever reason, and if the PC betrayed Jowan to Irving there's a reasonable possibility that Irving could have calmed Greagoir down and the PC would have gotten out of that situation mostly unscathed) lack of choice could have gotten across more clearly -- maybe an attempt to get Cailan to contest the Conscription, an optional mention of escape attempts on the way to Ostagar, what have you -- then sure, I agree with you. While the implication is there, it's not really shown to a satisfying extent. But thing is, it *is* there.

Modifié par Fiacre, 04 janvier 2013 - 12:22 .

[Potato Cat]

Agreed. Absolutely hated the human noble origin, (no capital letter for them!!!), for the reasons said above and the fact I just can't relate to any priviledged character. At least with Dwarf Noble you get funtimes with Dwarven politics. Perhaps it could've been more interesting if you could have been an apostate.

[Asdrubael Vect]

I heard that the original DA;O planned , in addition to 6 origin we had 2 more origin

..Human Commoner(peasant/city human)
..and the more interesting- Dalish Mage(keeper or his aprentice)....but unfortunately they did not come in the final version

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 04 janvier 2013 - 10:31 .