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[The Elder King]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Wow lol according to the poll, mage supporters are in the majority.. if it was like that in Thedas.. lol

(Yes I know polls mean nothing but still interesting to see lol)

I'd say that the Chantry should've put as an option in the poll. Though I doubt it'd have taken votes from the people who voted mages.

[Ausstig]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Though we don't know that every templar or seeker has gone rogue. Cassandra, Leliana, and at least one company are sticking around. Maybe Greagoir and some other reasonable templars stayed loyal.

We also can't forget the Nuclear Option. If everything just totally goes to hell, Divine Justinia could declare the 10th Exalted March.

It's stated that most Templars have gone rogue. Some remain loyal to the Chantry, those that actually don't believe mages should be wiped out, not that they should betray their faith.

Also a faction of Seekers remain loyal, which includes Cass and Leliana.

Trators to their own cause.

The Templars should go for a political solution, as in appealing to the moderate mages and try to split the inseguncry and bring many back into the fold. 

Which ones are you saying are the Traitors? The ones going bloodlust crazy for mages in an all out war? Or those that decided to opt out and stay true to the Chantry?

Those who allow their dutry to be derilicted by someone, (who is porbebly under bloodmage control) who should be their cheif ally but instead uses her power, to confound the Templars every effort of DOING THEIR JOBS! 

With out the Devine this war would not have happened. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Having recently re-analyzed the events before the terrorist Chatnry attack, I noticed a few things tht amde me change my oppinion on a few things. Mostly on Meredith.
A lot of people - even among templar supporters - see her as evil, crazy and zealous. Now I see that description does not match.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves...

The entire scene at hte bottom ofh te Chatnry stairs tell a lot.

For one, Meredith and Orsino are arguing (again) because Meredith wants to conduct a full-scale search of the tower. Basicly like they do in prison - everyone out of their cells/room while we searhc the rooms, then you.
Meredith suspects (as we later found out rightfully so) that some Circle mages are helping blood mages in the city.

Orsino protests about it, outraged at the search, as it "brands them all villains".

Meredith herself at this point agrees with him and is sorry. Her exact words are "it breaks my heart to do this.."
But she feels she must do it, it is her duty to protect the people.
When Hawke arrives she asks him/her what else is she supposed to do. She ask Orsino and Hawke to give her an alternative (note her tone of voice), which neither can do.

What this tells us is that:
1) such searches are not at all common and seem to cause a lot of uproar. Meaning that mages indeed have a lot of privacy in the Cirlce, even in Kirkwall - effecticly proving many mage supporters wrong about the mages living conditions. No, the templars dont' barge into your room and watch you take a bath.

2) Meredith doesn't hate mages at all. Her tone of voice is almost pleading. Her facial expressions say it  all when she turns to Orsino. That's regreat and sorrow on her face. When talkign to Hawke and askign for what else she should do, her voice is almsotat the verge of crying.

3) Meredith has some serious willpower. At this point she was in possesion of the artifact for a long time - the same artifactthat drove Bertram mad in a matter of days - and she is still in command of most of her faculties. She can still make rational decisions.

4) When she finally breaks is when Anders blows up the Chantry. At the very point she was going to conduct a search of the tower to find blood mages. Coincidence?
Would she think that? Would she believe that Anders was working alone?
Given all that is going on in the city, it's not strange to see the Circle as beyond saving.


In conclusion, Meredith has more depth then I previously thought.
She was a good - if somewhat strict templar and will be missed.

Also, we see mages are whiny emos because they are outraged by a search.

[Terrorize69]

Meredith was driven by guilt for the best part, she hid her sister before she was a Templar which resulted in the death of her family and 70 people in her village before her sister was put down.

But the idol fed of her guilt and did indeed drive her crazy in the end, she did end up seeing blood magic everywhere. I imagine Orsino believed that if she did fully search the tower, many innocent mages would be accused of blood magic and killed.

Even after you help her wipe out the circle, shes still not happy and believe the Champion is actually a blood mage and all the Templars are also under the influence lol, craziness.

[EmperorSahlertz]

@Lotion Soronnar: That's what I always said about Meredith. Too bad she ended up a total nutcase, because that is what people judge her by...

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 26 octobre 2012 - 08:03 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Meredith was driven by guilt for the best part, she hid her sister before she was a Templar which resulted in the death of her family and 70 people in her village before her sister was put down.

But the idol fed of her guilt and did indeed drive her crazy in the end, she did end up seeing blood magic everywhere. I imagine Orsino believed that if she did fully search the tower, many innocent mages would be accused of blood magic and killed.

We already know Orsino dabbled in blood magic. Ww know there are mages from the Circle that also did that.
Meredith - as crazy as she has become - was not wrong about it.

Orsino feared for himself.

Even after you help her wipe out the circle, shes still not happy and believe the Champion is actually a blood mage and all the Templars are also under the influence lol, craziness.

By that time she has been pushed over the edge completely.

The irony is that Meredith is a good templar. It was the idol that drove her crazy...and evne it took a LONG time to acomplish it.

[Sainna]

Thankfully most people will still be supporting mages or at least more mage freedoms in DA3 O_O

Yes, yes I can only judge that by what I have seen/talked on the forums and among my gaming friends x) So I might be completly wrong O_O but doubt it!