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[POETICDRINK]

I'm thinking EA/BIOWARE is doing a business move by not giving fans the other races. It's not like fans haven't been asking for this after the choice was taken away in Dragon Age II. BIOWARE said, they were listening to the fans when they started making Dragon Age III. So, how can they leave out one of the largest complaints amongst fans.
I'm thinking they are going to push it as DLC. It's no way they could have left this out on purpose. They need their DLC to be extra, to sell well to fans of this series.

[Maclimes]

At this point, it's hard to predict.

It's certainly possible. I'd love to play a dwarf, and would possibly purchase such a DLC. But it may be that instead it's additions to the story itself, like the DLC for DA:O and DA2.

[AntiChri5]

Your interests do not represent the forums interests.

The forums interests do not represent the fandoms interests.

The fandoms interest does not represent the casual customer bases interest.

[upsettingshorts]

Is there a place where I can bet real money against your prediction?

[Scarlet Rabbi]

Move on, get over it.

I can't imagine the level of irritability Bioware staff must feel when one of these threads pop up, yet again.

"They didn't include something I wanted!
No...wait....it must be a conspiracy to rip off customers, since I am clearly so awesome and important, and obviously at the very top of the list of people Bioware sets out to please. Ok, I feel better now."

Deflate your over-sized head and come back to earth. Telling somebody, "I want this", and then not getting it doesn't indicate a conspiracy, but it does reveal something about the person claiming there is a conspiracy. Their giant ego.

It's not just about you and your wants, and it never will be. There's a very simple solution to the 'human' problem. Play as one or pass on the game. Period.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

POETICDRINK wrote...

I'm thinking EA/BIOWARE is doing a business move by not giving fans the other races. It's not like fans haven't been asking for this after the choice was taken away in Dragon Age II. BIOWARE said, they were listening to the fans when they started making Dragon Age III. So, how can they leave out one of the largest complaints amongst fans.
I'm thinking they are going to push it as DLC. It's no way they could have left this out on purpose. They need their DLC to be extra, to sell well to fans of this series.

Bioware is the kind of company that doesn't like to admit when they make mistakes. It's very likely that Dragon Age 3 will be more like DA2 than Origins.

I don't think they'll be adding it as DLC. I think they're just stubborn and don't want to believe they screwed up so bad with DA2. Stay the course, and all that ****.

[ianvillan]

I wouldn't like for races to be DLC because it will just be used as more pointless statistics, like only 20% of players paid money to play as an elf that must mean elfs are not as popular as humans.

[Maclimes]

It's all moot, idle speculation anyway. No one should get their hackles up about this one.

[Terrorize69]

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

Move on, get over it.

I can't imagine the level of irritability Bioware staff must feel when one of these threads pop up, yet again.

"They didn't include something I wanted!
No...wait....it must be a conspiracy to rip off customers, since I am clearly so awesome and important, and obviously at the very top of the list of people Bioware sets out to please. Ok, I feel better now."

Deflate your over-sized head and come back to earth. Telling somebody, "I want this", and then not getting it doesn't indicate a conspiracy, but it does reveal something about the person claiming there is a conspiracy. Their giant ego.

It's not just about you and your wants, and it never will be. There's a very simple solution to the 'human' problem. Play as one or pass on the game. Period.

Maker praise you child. (Love your sig too!)

[Fiddzz]

POETICDRINK wrote...

I'm thinking EA/BIOWARE is doing a business move by not giving fans the other races. It's not like fans haven't been asking for this after the choice was taken away in Dragon Age II. BIOWARE said, they were listening to the fans when they started making Dragon Age III. So, how can they leave out one of the largest complaints amongst fans.
I'm thinking they are going to push it as DLC. It's no way they could have left this out on purpose. They need their DLC to be extra, to sell well to fans of this series.

We are listening to the fans, and reading posts, and following twitters.  One of the side side projects I work on in my extra time is to collegiate the thread "top 5 things you want in da3" and relay that information to the lead producers.

There are many reasons that go into what does and does not get included in the game.  

None of those reasons are "we can really milk tons of money from our fans by holding 'X' feature off the main release and save it for a DLC pack"

[POETICDRINK]

BIOWARE is under EA banner. I'm going by my experience with EA's games, particularly a game I was a Senior Moderator for that forum. EA tends to take a list of things fans want. Then, they use it as a form of DLC.

AntiChri5 ,"Your interests do not represent the forums interests.

The forums interests do not represent the fandoms interests.

The fandoms interest does not represent the casual customer bases interest."

You are speaking for yourself as I am speaking for myself. I actually investigate instead of posting to post. I said I think.

Everyone here is a fan this is why their post counts are so high and they post nearly every day.

Blair Brown wrote...

POETICDRINK wrote...

I'm thinking EA/BIOWARE is doing a business move by not giving fans the other races. It's not like fans haven't been asking for this after the choice was taken away in Dragon Age II. BIOWARE said, they were listening to the fans when they started making Dragon Age III. So, how can they leave out one of the largest complaints amongst fans.
I'm thinking they are going to push it as DLC. It's no way they could have left this out on purpose. They need their DLC to be extra, to sell well to fans of this series.

We are listening to the fans, and reading posts, and following twitters. One of the side side projects I work on in my extra time is to collegiate the thread "top 5 things you want in da3" and relay that information to the lead producers.

There are many reasons that go into what does and does not get included in the game.

None of those reasons are "we can really milk tons of money from our fans by holding 'X' feature off the main release and save it for a DLC pack"

 So, this is a confirmation that none of the races will be DLC?!?  Is it?

Modifié par POETICDRINK, 23 octobre 2012 - 10:58 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Blair Brown wrote...

POETICDRINK wrote...

I'm thinking EA/BIOWARE is doing a business move by not giving fans the other races. It's not like fans haven't been asking for this after the choice was taken away in Dragon Age II. BIOWARE said, they were listening to the fans when they started making Dragon Age III. So, how can they leave out one of the largest complaints amongst fans.
I'm thinking they are going to push it as DLC. It's no way they could have left this out on purpose. They need their DLC to be extra, to sell well to fans of this series.

We are listening to the fans, and reading posts, and following twitters.  One of the side side projects I work on in my extra time is to collegiate the thread "top 5 things you want in da3" and relay that information to the lead producers.

There are many reasons that go into what does and does not get included in the game.  

None of those reasons are "we can really milk tons of money from our fans by holding 'X' feature off the main release and save it for a DLC pack"

Then why did your games start having day-one DLC since the release of Mass Effect 2?

[JWvonGoethe]

The only time I could see DLC for DA3 featuring a playable non-human race would be if that DLC took the form of the standalone Leliana's Song DLC, in which we play as one of the Warden's companions.

I highly doubt Bioware will make a non-human PC that is fully integrated into the main game and then sell it as DLC. That would be beyond cynical.

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 23 octobre 2012 - 11:10 .

[John Epler]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

The only time I could see DLC for DA3 featuring a playable non-human race would be if that DLC took the form of the standalone Leliana's Song DLC, in which we play as one of the Warden's companions.

I highly doubt Bioware will make a non-human PC that is fully integrated into the main game and then sell it as DLC. That would be beyond cynical.

Not to mention incredibly expensive. It would require rebuilding large swathes of the game's content - especially if we wanted the alternate player races to be anything other than 'it's the same as human, except you're shorter'.

While I obviously can't state anything 100% for sure, as I am not prescient, I would put the odds of releasing DLC to allow you to play through the main campaign as a protagonist other than human as close to zero as to be more or less indistinguishable.

[fchopin]

John Epler wrote...

While I obviously can't state anything 100% for sure, as I am not prescient, I would put the odds of releasing DLC to allow you to play through the main campaign as a protagonist other than human as close to zero as to be more or less indistinguishable.

Thank you for destroying our last hope to play an elf or a dwarf in DA3.

[Direwolf0294]

Playable races as DLC would set a terrible precedent. As much as I'd like to play a non human, I'm glad we're unlikely to see it, at least for DA3.

[David Gaider]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Then why did your games start having day-one DLC since the release of Mass Effect 2?

To make money.

The people who have a problem with this, and the implication made in the OP, is that this is something we would cut from the main game in order to sell as DLC. My impression from many of the people who have an issue with DLC in principle is that they believe all DLC consists of content which they would have otherwise received for free... presumably because, prior to DLC becoming a thing, games were "complete"?

It's logic I don't quite follow, and in the case of DA it's not true. There's not been a single piece of DLC which we've put out which would ever have existed in the main game otherwise. Even Shale, the only example I can think of regarding content which was made and then cut only to be put into DLC would simply have remained cut if it had never been resurrected... and you would never have known the difference, short of finding oddly-named uncut legacy lines in the dialogues.

I really doubt we'd ever do a player race as DLC-- that's an incredibly expensive proposition with questionable return. Unless it's something we did previous to ship and then just sold a switch to "turn it on", which I guess is what someone's suggesting here. But I can guarantee you we're not doing that. We'd likely get much more mileage just putting it in the main game... unless you actually think selling DLC aimed at the sub-set of fans who care most about this issue would have the kind of broad appeal that DLC generally needs. If that's the case, then gosh.

Modifié par David Gaider, 23 octobre 2012 - 11:32 .

[jackkel dragon]

fchopin wrote...

John Epler wrote...

While I obviously can't state anything 100% for sure, as I am not prescient, I would put the odds of releasing DLC to allow you to play through the main campaign as a protagonist other than human as close to zero as to be more or less indistinguishable.

Thank you for destroying our last hope to play an elf or a dwarf in DA3.

Clearly, someone has never heard of the magical combination of modding and imagination.

More seriously, I really doubt that new races will be DLC. I don't know much about the new engine, but in the Eclipse engine anything that is going to be fully integrated into the main campaign has to be in the game before ship. That's why a lot of Shale's non-camp interactions are in the DAO toolset files despite the modder's version of the toolset not being able to use 90% of DLC resources.

So, if the story is going to be written and programmed for a human-only PC, I wouldn't get your hopes up for a race DLC for the main campaign. If BioWare is willing to go back to standalone campaigns, maybe, but still unlikely.

And, as I snarkily stated in my opening line, if you absoulutely cannot endure a world where DA3 doesn't allow you to play as something other than human, get the PC version and start modding. Just through save-editing DA2 players were able to turn Hawke into a Qunari, so I'd bet most appearances in the game will be possible to attach to the PC (unless the new engine is even trickier to mod).

[Maria Caliban]

POETICDRINK wrote...

I'm going by my experience with EA's games, particularly a game I was a Senior Moderator for that forum.

I was once a Senior Customer Relations Representative for a clothing company. I know jack about making clothing.

Being the Senior Moderator of a forum is not as impressive a credential as you think it is.

[upsettingshorts]

fchopin wrote...

Thank you for destroying our last hope to play an elf or a dwarf in DA3.

I believe comments like this one and comments like these combine to form some kind lesson.

BioWare says, "We'll see" and a feature eventually doesn't turn up:  You teased us and let us down.
BioWare says, "This will not happen" and a feature does not happen:  You crushed our hopes!

 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 23 octobre 2012 - 11:50 .

[fchopin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Thank you for destroying our last hope to play an elf or a dwarf in DA3.

I believe comments like this one and comments like these combine to form some kind lesson.

BioWare says, "We'll see" and a feature eventually doesn't turn up:  You teased us and let us down.
BioWare says, "This will not happen" and a feature does not happen:  You crushed our hopes!

 

I don't get the joke in your post but i am sure it makes you happy so enjoy.

[Maclimes]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Thank you for destroying our last hope to play an elf or a dwarf in DA3.

I believe comments like this one and comments like these combine to form some kind lesson.

BioWare says, "We'll see" and a feature eventually doesn't turn up:  You teased us and let us down.
BioWare says, "This will not happen" and a feature does not happen:  You crushed our hopes!

 

He is wise, this one.

[POETICDRINK]

Maria Caliban wrote...

POETICDRINK wrote...

I'm going by my experience with EA's games, particularly a game I was a Senior Moderator for that forum.

I was once a Senior Customer Relations Representative for a clothing company. I know jack about making clothing.

Being the Senior Moderator of a forum is not as impressive a credential as you think it is.

It is if you have back and forth dialogue with the developers/producers of a game. I was invited to a few events too. One thing I do is ask questions. I'm like a news reporter when it comes to asking questions. I also had a few producers on a podcast I have. I try not to be assumptious, but I'm passionate about the games I play. Information and listening to the true fans is key to me.

Being a *Senior Moderator can have it's perks, especially if you ask the right questions and listen to the indirect answers you get sometimes.

[Fast Jimmy]

fchopin wrote...

John Epler wrote...

While I obviously can't state anything 100% for sure, as I am not prescient, I would put the odds of releasing DLC to allow you to play through the main campaign as a protagonist other than human as close to zero as to be more or less indistinguishable.

Thank you for destroying our last hope to play an elf or a dwarf in DA3.

Dubya Tee Eff? You WANTED them to put playable races as paid DLC? I mean... I get the desire to play as a different race, but that's just BEGGING for riots in the streets. 

Contrary to popular belief, I actually don't want people to hate Bioware. Its crazy, I know.  But to hope that they take a move that would be viewed by the vast majority of video game fans as a blatant cash grab, and then to sound disappointed when they "crush those dreams" is... well, a little sad.

And that's ME saying this... the guy who is known for making silly song parodies about a video game company. That's saying something.

[upsettingshorts]

It's not a joke.

What do you want BioWare to do? Tell you that a feature hasn't been decided on when it hasn't been decided on? Tell you a feature has been decided on and the answer is "no" when it turns out it is no?

How about to tell you maybe when the answer is no, or no when the answer is maybe?

Would you rather your hopes linger longer?

I don't get it. Honestly.