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"Crashed on Eden" - Guys, BioWare really does like Synthesis... *Updated* - Is Synthesis Supposed to be the Best Ending?


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This is concept art from BioWare. It's called Crashed on Eden.

Here's the description:

"Some characters get to have their moment."

Yeah, Joker and EDI don't get this moment without Synthesis.

... I think Synthesis may be their preferred ending.

EDIT (12/9/2012): Because I've been seeing some IT-inspired anti-Synthesis posts lately, I thought that I would bump this thread to challenge those arguments. I think the image in the OP is evidence that BioWare always intended Synthesis to be a good ending, perhaps the best. I'm not sure that I really want a "best" ending because such a thing could invalidate all other choices, but I can't ignore the evidence that BioWare likes Synthesis.

Synthesis is the "everybody wins" choices. Shepard is the only one who dies. It's the special "third-choice" that often appears in conversations throughout the trilogy. Interestingly, the memorial scene in the Extended Cut actually has unique music for the Synthesis ending: Synthesis has a contemplative piano piece that plays when Shepard's name is placed on the memorial. Destroy and Control, however, share the same music.

There is also the EMS issue. You can get the best variant of Destroy, minus the breath scene, before you can get Synthesis. Synthesis has the highest EMS requirement of all the endings, with the exception of Destroy's breath scene. I think this is significant. Really, the only gameplay evidence that High-EMS Destroy is supposed to be better than Synthesis is that single breath scene. That's it. Given the presentation, it just doesn't seem as favored as Synthesis.

Yes, there are some bizarre ethical problems with the choice, and I would really like the writers to explain their rationale. Judging by the fanbase's reaction, Synthesis is the most hated choice, despite the evidence pointing to it as the ideal choice. In fact, I think that's what makes people hate it even more: they think that BioWare's writers have either intentionally or unintentionally loaded their best ending with loathsome ethical implications.

I don't know. I often find myself just as perplexed by the endings as I was back in March. If BioWare tried to convey some kind of message, it really wasn't coherent. I respect their decision to make the fans feel uncomfortable and force us to really think about the choices, but they made the choices so divisive and ambiguous that they have permanently damaged the franchise in the eyes of some people. And that is tragic.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 10 décembre 2012 - 06:03 .


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Well, it is "concept" art, not "favorite-ending-fan" art...

Edit: I would also like to note that I really like his style.

Modifié par The Edge, 24 octobre 2012 - 01:17 .


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Bioware has it right.

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given it's the hardest ending to unlock (shep lives notwithstanding) and it's talked up by the scatalyst and edi i figured they had an odd soft spot for it. is this really concept art or fan made?

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The Edge wrote...

Well, it is "concept" art, not "favorite-ending-fan" art...

Edit: I would also like to note that I really like his style.


I should add the description.

"Some characters get to have their moment."

Yeah, Joker and EDI don't get this moment without Synthesis.

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Destroy. Every time. Sorry EDI, I'm not dumb. I didn't come so far to destroy the reapers in order to not destroy the reapers.

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Tomwew wrote...

given it's the hardest ending to unlock (shep lives notwithstanding) and it's talked up by the scatalyst and edi i figured they had an odd soft spot for it. is this really concept art or fan made?


Concept art. This doesn't mean that Synthesis is their "favorite" (at least concretely), because it's just presenting what the end product might look like.

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also,'crashed on eden' just for metaphor purposes or a clue that they're on eden prime?

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CosmicGnosis wrote...

The Edge wrote...

Well, it is "concept" art, not "favorite-ending-fan" art...

Edit: I would also like to note that I really like his style.


I should add the description.

"Some characters get to have their moment."

Yeah, Joker and EDI don't get this moment without Synthesis.


May be rushing to conclusions, there. :P

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The Edge wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

given it's the hardest ending to unlock (shep lives notwithstanding) and it's talked up by the scatalyst and edi i figured they had an odd soft spot for it. is this really concept art or fan made?


Concept art. This doesn't mean that Synthesis is their "favorite" (at least concretely), because it's just presenting what the end product might look like.

of course not the game itself convinced me it's their 'preffered'  choice, i'm sure every choice had some level of concept art.

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I reject their favored ending and substitute my own

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Tomwew wrote...

also,'crashed on eden' just for metaphor purposes or a clue that they're on eden prime?


I think it refers to the fact that the original endings implied that the galaxy was going to experience a dark age in every ending. Synthesis would have been the most hopeful ending because Joker and EDI represented the Adam and Eve of organics and synthetics on a brand new world. The galaxy was essentially destroyed and reborn as something new.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 24 octobre 2012 - 01:27 .


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Tomwew wrote...

also,'crashed on eden' just for metaphor purposes or a clue that they're on eden prime?

. Probably not, BioWare really wanted their damn Adam and Eve reference.  It didnt work that way for me:devil:

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They're allowed to have their preferred ending.

Still EDI's body and Synthesis both sicken me.

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We already know this.

The original design notes called it the choice for a "perfect" game, it's been called the "best" ending by everybody who's had cause to mention it, and everybody involved who's expressed a preference has come out in support of synthesis.

The correct ending to ME3 is synthesis, and if any games were ever to be set after the events of the trilogy, synthesis will have taken place.

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devSin wrote...

We already know this.

The original design notes called it the choice for a "perfect" game, it's been called the "best" ending by everybody who's had cause to mention it, and everybody involved who's expressed a preference has come out in support of synthesis.

The correct ending to ME3 is synthesis, and if any games were ever to be set after the events of the trilogy, synthesis will have taken place.

:sick::sick::sick::sick::sick:  only if they want their game to be even more unpopular than ME3's ending.  Hopefully they come to their senses and will either not set a game forward in the timeline, or which would be much better but probably impossible, they incorporate all endings into the next game

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devSin wrote...

We already know this.

The original design notes called it the choice for a "perfect" game, it's been called the "best" ending by everybody who's had cause to mention it, and everybody involved who's expressed a preference has come out in support of synthesis.

The correct ending to ME3 is synthesis, and if any games were ever to be set after the events of the trilogy, synthesis will have taken place.


That's why I think it's so fascinating. People loathe this choice, and I'm getting tired of defending it. Yet, BioWare seems to think this ending is great.

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Steelcan wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

also,'crashed on eden' just for metaphor purposes or a clue that they're on eden prime?

. Probably not, BioWare really wanted their damn Adam and Eve reference.  It didnt work that way for me:devil:

especially if you intentionally name your shep adam and romance Steve Image IPB

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But seriously, screw synthesis

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Steelcan wrote...

But seriously, screw synthesis

but synthesis is inevitable. and so's technological singularity. wait. Image IPB

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Tomwew wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

But seriously, screw synthesis

but synthesis is inevitable. and so's technological singularity. wait. Image IPB

. If it truly is inevitable the Catalyst would not have continued the cycles, he did.  Conclusion, synthesis is not inevitable

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IceTrey1987 wrote...

I didn't come so far to destroy the reapers in order to not destroy the reapers.

This.


That's why Destroy is my "Canon" ending. I steeled myself. Didn't second guess myself at the last step of this great, impossible journey......I couldn't even pick the others before extended cut. But now I can appreciate all of them. Control is like a "Dark" sci fi ending. And Synthesis is a trippy scenario that harkens back to classic sci fi stories throughout the past 50 years(so I can understand if its Biowares "favorite". )

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Tomwew wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

also,'crashed on eden' just for metaphor purposes or a clue that they're on eden prime?

. Probably not, BioWare really wanted their damn Adam and Eve reference.  It didnt work that way for me:devil:

especially if you intentionally name your shep adam and romance Steve Image IPB


NOW I HAVE TO DO THIS

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Steelcan wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

But seriously, screw synthesis

but synthesis is inevitable. and so's technological singularity. wait. Image IPB

. If it truly is inevitable the Catalyst would not have continued the cycles, he did.  Conclusion, synthesis is not inevitable

according to the leviathan the catalyst's 'purpose is not being fulfilled,' but when pressed on their accountability, the catalyst 'still serves it's purpose'. the contradiction apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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Cool concept art though....where did you get that? Is there more?

Modifié par Mcfly616, 24 octobre 2012 - 01:44 .